Official Kevin Love Watch

Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:44 pm

TIME wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Interesting what teams that have assets can do isn't it?.....


Interesting what a team that "wins" the lottery 18 years in a row at a gazillion to one odds can do with their assets.


Yeah.... we might win the lottery this year.... oh.... wait....
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:23 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
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Rooscooter wrote:Interesting what teams that have assets can do isn't it?.....


Interesting what a team that "wins" the lottery 18 years in a row at a gazillion to one odds can do with their assets.


I freaking hate Dan Gilbert right now. I wonder when the Devil will come to collect because he obviously owns Gilbert's soul. There is literally NO other explanation.


Yep, Gilbert probably sold his soul to the Devil for Quicken Loans and its nine lives. But the Devil was always a fan of LeBron James, so now the King has Gilbert in his back pocket.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:59 am

Sources: Cleveland has agreement to acquire Kevin Love, including contract commitment

The Minnesota Timberwolves have reached an agreement in principle to send All-Star forward Kevin Love to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and a protected 2015 first-round draft pick, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Cleveland is making the deal with Minnesota with a firm agreement Love will opt out of his contract in 2015 and re-sign with the Cavaliers on a five-year, $120 million-plus contract extension, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

The deal cannot be finalized until Aug. 23, because Wiggins, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2014 NBA draft, cannot be traded until one month after the signing of his rookie contract. The two teams have agreed to the deal, but neither would have recourse if the other decided to pull out of the arrangement before it can be formally completed this month. No third team is involved in the Cavaliers-Timberwolves trade agreement.

The precise deal terms have been agreed upon for weeks, but the teams and Love plan to stay silent about the particulars until the trade is announced in 16 days, sources told Yahoo Sports.
Love will join superstar LeBron James and Kyrie Irving to create the most devastating trio in the NBA and will instantly make the Cavaliers a frontrunner to win the NBA championship.

Part of the Cavaliers' motivation in making the deal for Love was a belief Love would have ended up with the rival Chicago Bulls in a trade and created a significant obstacle in the Eastern Conference, sources said. Cleveland wouldn't have had the salary-cap space to sign Love next summer and could have only obtained him through the trade with Minnesota in a deal now.

Wiggins is the centerpiece of the package for Minnesota. The Timberwolves see superstar potential in the forward out of Kansas. Bennett, the No. 1 pick in the 2013 draft, has shown signs of progress after a difficult start to his rookie season.

The T'wolves had hopes of unloading contracts in a Love deal, but that won't be happening. Minnesota still has a goal of freeing itself of J.J. Barea, Luc Mbah a Moute and Alexey Shved, league sources said.

Love informed the Timberwolves he would not return to the team after opting out of his contract next summer, and pushed them to make a trade before the start of this coming season.

Love, 25, is a three-time NBA All-Star. He averaged 26 points and 12.5 rebounds for the Timberwolves last season. For his career, he's averaged 19 points and 12.2 rebounds.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby kenzo on Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:28 am

I hate Kevin Love from now on :boxing1:
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Balance&Options24 on Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:29 am

We need a cry baby owner, look at what Gilbert has been rewarded since The Decision and his cry baby ways during Basketball Reasons.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby lakersyunowin on Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:12 am

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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:24 am

When Lebron went back to Cleveland, I figured Kevin would follow...it makes sense for both Minnesota and Cleveland for the right now and the future. Minnesota now has a foundation to build upon and Cleveland gets an All-Star to pair up with Love for the next 3-5 years and compete for rings.

Now, will it work for Cleveland? IDK. Defensively, Miami was just superb in their run; they played a stifling defense that shut opposing teams down. It also didn't hurt that Bosh and Wade before he broke down were very good defensively. Can Love and Irving duplicate that? Can they even stay healthy? I'm not so sure.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby therealdeal on Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:31 am

lukewaltonsdad wrote:When Lebron went back to Cleveland, I figured Kevin would follow...it makes sense for both Minnesota and Cleveland for the right now and the future. Minnesota now has a foundation to build upon and Cleveland gets an All-Star to pair up with Love for the next 3-5 years and compete for rings.

Now, will it work for Cleveland? IDK. Defensively, Miami was just superb in their run; they played a stifling defense that shut opposing teams down. It also didn't hurt that Bosh and Wade before he broke down were very good defensively. Can Love and Irving duplicate that? Can they even stay healthy? I'm not so sure.

Exactly. The whole "favorites in the East" narrative is going to get old really quickly, especially if you're a Chicago Bulls fan. Not to mention Riley is going to be determined to keep up with Cleveland now. Also, don't forget Brooklyn who is finally healthy again and will be alright even without Pierce.

But now I hate Irving and I hate Love! :mad1:

Nah, that's alright. I'm okay with them going there. In a perfect world they'd have been Lakers and fulfilled their potential, but in Cleveland I see them plateauing a bit and taking a couple of years to realize what it takes to win a Championship. By then who knows what the rest of the League looks like?
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:37 am

lukewaltonsdad wrote:When Lebron went back to Cleveland, I figured Kevin would follow...it makes sense for both Minnesota and Cleveland for the right now and the future. Minnesota now has a foundation to build upon and Cleveland gets an All-Star to pair up with Love for the next 3-5 years and compete for rings.

Now, will it work for Cleveland? IDK. Defensively, Miami was just superb in their run; they played a stifling defense that shut opposing teams down. It also didn't hurt that Bosh and Wade before he broke down were very good defensively. Can Love and Irving duplicate that? Can they even stay healthy? I'm not so sure.


Yup. Most general fans don't realize just how much their D and their ability to suffocate teams in stretches was a huge reason why they were so good. Last year, they couldn't do that anymore cause Wade's legs looked gone and Bron and Bosh aren't as young and explosive as before. That's one of the main reasons why SA destroyed Miami. They were no longer able to suffocate teams. That used to be a trademark of the Miami team in the past. The score would be close and they would go on a 15-2 run a 6 minute period and win by 10 points.

I would've kept Wiggins. He could've been that great, wing defender LeBron sorely needs.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby LAKEROC on Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:07 am

They are so stupid for getting rid of Andrew Wiggins. Waiters+ Bennett+ 2 first round picks. That's a fine offer for Kevin Love. Incredibly stupid move to get rid of Wiggins. It would have allowed the Cavs to put Wiggins on the team's best offensive player, saving LeBron from having to exude so much energy on the deffensive end.

Kevin Love for all of that that? Jesus!! I would dump Kobe in a heartbeat if the Cavs offered this to me for him right now. Too bad, that will never happen.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby therealdeal on Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:18 am

Well good thing you're not our GM.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:41 am

So...... It's possible to trade for a top player in their final contract year and get a commitment to re-sign. It's also possible to call a physical therapist I believe....
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:59 pm

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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Helljumper on Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:17 pm

This is a great trade for both teams. As much as we hate Lebron and the Cavs, realistically they're probably the favorites right now. Chicago might be able to give them a run for their money. I don't see San Antonio making three straight Finals at their age. OKC still has nobody outside of Durant and Westbrook. Yes, Love's not a great defender, but the rest of the Cavs aren't terrible on defense. Offensively, they fit very well together. If they add Allen/Marion, they'll be dangerous. Waiters isn't the best fit, but they could bring him off the bench so he has more room to create his own offense. If not, I'm sure he has enough value to bring back a more defensive-minded roleplayer which is really all they need at that position.

For Minnesota, this is an even better deal. Usually when a player holds his franchise hostage with a trade demand like this, they're screwed and they have to settle for a collection of mediocre "assets." Rarely does a team ever get back a legitimate potential superstar like Wiggin. I also think Anthony Bennett is going to be a very good player. He struggled last year but he came into summer league a completely different player. I almost would've rather seen them stay in Cleveland just to see how they'd be able to develop under Lebron's tutelage.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Juronimo on Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:37 pm

Great trade for Minnesota.

I still hold to the idea that Kevin Love posts empty stats. We'll see how this pairing plays out. I still think Cleveland is making a mistake.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby jbiggs on Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:17 pm

So in the mind of the NBA it’s OK to trade a rookie for Kevin Love and pair him with LeBron & Kyrie on a small-market team…but not OK to trade Pau, Lamar, Kevin Martin, Scola & Dragic for Chris Paul to play with Kobe and the Lakers…got it…
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby therealdeal on Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:55 pm

jbiggs wrote:So in the mind of the NBA it’s OK to trade a rookie for Kevin Love and pair him with LeBron & Kyrie on a small-market team…but not OK to trade Pau, Lamar, Kevin Martin, Scola & Dragic for Chris Paul to play with Kobe and the Lakers…got it…

It's okay for LeBron to get anybody he wants for anything. It's not okay for the Lakers to do anything to make them a perennial top 4 team. :man10:
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Weezy on Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:21 pm

If I'm Love, I don't sign an extension. If they don't go far and LeBron bolts, you do not want to be stuck in Cleveland with just Irving. He and Love can sign long deals if they want next summer, be stupid to do it now though. And if Love did leave, and they gave up Wiggins for that, ouch. I'd love it.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby LAKEROC on Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:24 pm

Juronimo


I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I still wouldn't mind him on my team at all, if, as the great Bob Barker once said, "The Price is Right"! :man12:
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:30 pm

Juronimo wrote:Great trade for Minnesota.

I still hold to the idea that Kevin Love posts empty stats. We'll see how this pairing plays out. I still think Cleveland is making a mistake.


I'm not sure how anyone can say this now. Love is a known commodity and while he posts empty stats he is still a top 10 player in the league at worst. I agree that he's not leading a team anywhere as the best player on a team but he's probably the 3rd best on CLE now and the pressure will be on Bron not him.

Wiggins has yet to play a game at this level. He looks like he'll be good but I don't see "greatness" in anything I've seen.... especially when you try to make the jump to this level at that position. Maybe someone can say it's good for Minn is 3 or 4 years if he's playing at a level above Love's.... but if CLE wins just one chip in that time by my standards it would be worth it If I were a CLE fan. If you're really impartial in this you have to take the position each player play into this analysis. CLE needs a PF/Big that can score... not another wing scorer.

I'd say CLE wasn't a contender for the Championship with a rookie Wiggins playing off the bench.... I'd say if a couple things go right they are now. That's a good trade in my book.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby laakers on Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:06 pm

Wiggins wouldn't be able to develop alongside Lebron, not even close... Great trade for both teams. Also, Gorgui Dieng (sp?) now has a starting spot (if Bennett doesn't take it), and Dieng has some real potential. Played VERY well in Love's absence
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby kenzo on Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:29 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Juronimo wrote:Great trade for Minnesota.

I still hold to the idea that Kevin Love posts empty stats. We'll see how this pairing plays out. I still think Cleveland is making a mistake.


I'm not sure how anyone can say this now. Love is a known commodity and while he posts empty stats he is still a top 10 player in the league at worst. I agree that he's not leading a team anywhere as the best player on a team but he's probably the 3rd best on CLE now and the pressure will be on Bron not him.

Wiggins has yet to play a game at this level. He looks like he'll be good but I don't see "greatness" in anything I've seen.... especially when you try to make the jump to this level at that position. Maybe someone can say it's good for Minn is 3 or 4 years if he's playing at a level above Love's.... but if CLE wins just one chip in that time by my standards it would be worth it If I were a CLE fan. If you're really impartial in this you have to take the position each player play into this analysis. CLE needs a PF/Big that can score... not another wing scorer.

I'd say CLE wasn't a contender for the Championship with a rookie Wiggins playing off the bench.... I'd say if a couple things go right they are now. That's a good trade in my book.

Exactly. Cle is in a "win now" mode, they can't wait for their rookies and 2nd year players to develop. Love is a PERFECT fit. Playing with Bron and Kyrie (while Verejao fights under the basket) is a dream for Love. All these open shots and no pressure. And if they fail... Gilbert will get another number one pick (or 2, or 3) and start from the scratch. No biggie :mad1:
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:50 am

I still don't see how LeBron and Kyrie are going to share the point responsibilities. LeBron and Wiggins would have been a better fit.

Besides, I count on one finger the number of short point guards who led his team to a title.
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:46 am

ESPN locals yesterday were making a lot of what looks again like up front collusion with the players. LeBron in his well received letter in SI mentioned a number of Cavs but interestingly not Wiggins or Bennett. How does that work, Dan Gilbert, K. Love and L. James?
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Re: Official Kevin Love Watch

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:56 am

Weezy wrote:If I'm Love, I don't sign an extension. If they don't go far and LeBron bolts, you do not want to be stuck in Cleveland with just Irving. He and Love can sign long deals if they want next summer, be stupid to do it now though. And if Love did leave, and they gave up Wiggins for that, ouch. I'd love it.

I was thinking the same thing..
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