Official LBJ thread: Game winner: ESPN gonna rock it

Finwë · by **Finwë** on Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:49 pm

I think it was Brian Windhorst from ESPN who tweeted that LBJ had "locked" the MVP award after beating the Thunder.. It's all a big joke, Windhorst is a voter, and he is incredibly biased, like most of them are.
It's pathetic, nba.com's "Race for the MVP" had Durant #1 for just TWO WEEKS, every other week they had LeBron, even though OKC was clearly the better team for most of the season, and their statistical numbers weren't that far apart.

When Kobe went on a TEAR during that 05/06 season, he finished THIRD in the race, because the voters felt that it should go to "the best player in the best team". That's why the picked Rose last year.
What happens this year? The best team is San Antonio, and their best player has been Tony Parker (who statistically has been great too), but somehow they can't overlook LeBron's "incredible impact" or "historic statistical season".. JOKE.

They are all incredibly impressed that LeBron is shooting like 53% from the field, and it is impressive, but IMO Durant's FG% is more impressive. LeBron isn't really a "perimeter player", he scores HALF is points in the paint, goes to the FT line more often that everyone else, and leads the league in fast break points. THAT'S why he shoots such a high FG%. Durant, meanwhile, shoots almost 50$ from the field, but his shots are much more difficult, they demand much more skill, he shoots a lot more 3s (and shoots a higher 3pt%)... He doesn't get the same amount of calls as LeBron (though he does get a lot more calls than Kobe, that's for sure), he takes a lot of jumpshots, and has to suffer Westbrook's chucking..

Jazzygirl205 · by **Jazzygirl205** on Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:30 pm

Finwë wrote:I think it was Brian Windhorst from ESPN who tweeted that LBJ had "locked" the MVP award after beating the Thunder.. It's all a big joke, Windhorst is a voter, and he is incredibly biased, like most of them are.
It's pathetic, nba.com's "Race for the MVP" had Durant #1 for just TWO WEEKS, every other week they had LeBron, even though OKC was clearly the better team for most of the season, and their statistical numbers weren't that far apart.

When Kobe went on a TEAR during that 05/06 season, he finished THIRD in the race, because the voters felt that it should go to "the best player in the best team". That's why the picked Rose last year.
What happens this year? The best team is San Antonio, and their best player has been Tony Parker (who statistically has been great too), but somehow they can't overlook LeBron's "incredible impact" or "historic statistical season".. JOKE.

They are all incredibly impressed that LeBron is shooting like 53% from the field, and it is impressive, but IMO Durant's FG% is more impressive. LeBron isn't really a "perimeter player", he scores HALF is points in the paint, goes to the FT line more often that everyone else, and leads the league in fast break points. THAT'S why he shoots such a high FG%. Durant, meanwhile, shoots almost 50$ from the field, but his shots are much more difficult, they demand much more skill, he shoots a lot more 3s (and shoots a higher 3pt%)... He doesn't get the same amount of calls as LeBron (though he does get a lot more calls than Kobe, that's for sure), he takes a lot of jumpshots, and has to suffer Westbrook's chucking..

The MVP award has always been biased, even more sans Kobe Bryant. Kobe shouldn't have one MVP he has more individual hardware and success than anyone else in the player ranks with him yet he only has one MVP doesn't make sense. That 05-06 season is insane because you mentioned the media basically ignoring the impact other players have had this season with their team but they just couldn't ignore LeBron's statistics so why didn't D-Wade win it that season he put up amazing numbers? What about Kobe? It irritates me how they want to switch the MVP qualification rules every season, and I know why too. I don't mind LeBron getting it he's great but they didn't even look at any other player or athlete. And isn't Lebron playing with two superstars what happens to that "Doing less with more" rule? It's not LeBron it's the media.

Forward Three · by **Forward Three** on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:40 am

I'm thinking that the MVP award would make more sense if it was split East and West. Have a Western Conference MVP and an Eastern Conference MVP, de-emphasis the award somewhat, and fortify the importance of the Finals MVP. As it stands it's just frustratingly pointless by now.

Tony Parker has a _strong_ case if defined in the way it has been defined most of the past 12 years or so, but the Spurs have this perception of being a "team that is greater than the sum of its parts" so no one gives him even a nod.

Kevin Durant has a strong case for being on a top team and being statistically dominant, but then he's also playing alongside two other players who aren't exactly in the MVP discussion, but are certainly contributing in a major way to make his job easier.

Lebron is having a great year and all, marked by peerless efficiency, but his team has done worse this season than last season, and he is playing alongside another MVP candidate in Wade.

And then there's Kobe. Loses a lot of marks for efficiency, but he has still murdered opposing teams several times this season and been 'the closer' far more often than the thorn in the side.

Ah well, nothing to be done of it. Except honestly, over enough time this kind of thing devalues the league and the sport, but that's another rant.

wcsoldier81 · by **wcsoldier81** on Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:03 am

If the medias gave back to back MVP titles to Nash , I'm not sure why Parker couldn't get one ... he's basically doing this year what Nash did ... Ginobili has been out for most of the season , Duncan majority of points are from Parker playmaking, same for their 3 pt shooters ... SAS always struggle to score without him on the floor.

James :The Heat wasn't able to get the 1st seed despite Rose missing 30+ games , Wade is the closer

Durant : Westbrook was the best OKC player half of the time , failed to overcome SAS for the 1st seed too..

Not sure what argument would clearly put Durant/James over Parker ... he's French ? yeah that's a stupid one

puffyusaf#2 · by **puffyusaf#2** on Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:42 am

^I agree. I said a few weeks ago that I thought TP should get it because the way the Spurs were playing. unfortunately it seems the media can only say "wow look at Lebron" and then make excuses for his failures.

Scnottaken · by **Scnottaken** on Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:23 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:^I agree. I said a few weeks ago that I thought TP should get it because the way the Spurs were playing. unfortunately it seems the media can only say "wow look at Lebron" and then make excuses for his failures.

A player that has the power to run over people without anyone noticing is a tough person to beat.

JoelMyersScrotalSack · by **JoelMyersScrotalSack** on Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:26 pm

If Parker won the MVP I think I would stop watching the NBA forever. But even though most of the analysts are stupid, they aren't that stupid thank god.

thkthebest · by **thkthebest** on Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:33 pm

Tony Parker? What the...

puffyusaf#2 · by **puffyusaf#2** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:04 am

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:If Parker won the MVP I think I would stop watching the NBA forever. But even though most of the analysts are stupid, they aren't that stupid thank god.

To bad fans don't understand and it is too bad that the analysts are that stupid. TP should be getting a great deal of love for the MVP this year plain and simple. Unfortunately the revolving door of the MVP race always changes for the "preseason favorite" each and every year. They pre-pick who they want and then change the rules accordingly. Funny how the media deminished Wade's performances and hyped Westbrooks. TP and the Spurs are also rans even though they finished ahead of Thunder and the Bulls finished ahead of the Heat.

Objectivity by the voters would have a much close race than LBJ the run away MVP like they will have. Damn shame for those of us who see past the ESPN highlight reel.

puffyusaf#2 · by **puffyusaf#2** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:07 am

^true indeed. If they could just give him the Finals MVP and the Championship trophy they would be happy too

24K GOLD · by **24K GOLD** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:23 am

thkthebest wrote:Tony Parker? What the...

Dyeggoo · by **Dyeggoo** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:03 am

Parker's no MVP 'cause he can't do a tomahawk like James can!

Finwë · by **Finwë** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:40 am

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:If Parker won the MVP I think I would stop watching the NBA forever. But even though most of the analysts are stupid, they aren't that stupid thank god.

To bad fans don't understand and it is too bad that the analysts are that stupid. TP should be getting a great deal of love for the MVP this year plain and simple. Unfortunately the revolving door of the MVP race always changes for the "preseason favorite" each and every year. They pre-pick who they want and then change the rules accordingly. Funny how the media deminished Wade's performances and hyped Westbrooks. TP and the Spurs are also rans even though they finished ahead of Thunder and the Bulls finished ahead of the Heat.

Objectivity by the voters would have a much close race than LBJ the run away MVP like they will have. Damn shame for those of us who see past the ESPN highlight reel.

THIS

puffyusaf#2 · by **puffyusaf#2** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:54 am

lakerswiz wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:^true indeed. If they could just give him the Finals MVP and the Championship trophy they would be happy too

It's terrible that we can call these things ahead of time. Just by the general attitude a quarter way through the season and you can usually tell who the two guys are going to be.

True. It was like I said, the media spin is great, this is what we hear now:
Lebron is the MVP because he does so much on a team with no bench. No he can't be counted on when the game is on the line but he is so good he allows Wade to finish the game by setting him up to takeover.

KD is a great player but he plays with a guy just as exciting in Westbrook. The problem is "who takes over at the end of the game"? KD or Westbrook, they both have the ball and thus KD can't be a clear MVP like Lebron James who allows Wade to finish.

Tony Parker. Playing the best ball of his career. Has maintained a high level and has got his team to the top of the still more difficult West over the Finals favorite Thunder. The spurs had two 11+ game win streaks and have dominated teams but TP isn't putting on a show like Westbrook, KD and Lebron.

Kobe. The Lakers have been to up and down this season. Kobe's numbers have not been up to his standard. He may have been playing injured but the team underachieved. The Lakers were definate contenders for the WCF's before the year started and don't look like it. Plus with the emergence of Andrew Bynum for the Lakers Kobe may not even be the MVP of his team.

nameant · by **nameant** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:42 am

When you lay out the criteria then yes, TP is a legit candidate but his name should never be associated with an MVP...it would be embarrassing for the game of basketball. MVP is supposed to be reserved for the best of the best..players that will basically go down as legends. TP is nowhere near that. Hell I thought it was a joke when Nash won 2...but TP? :man10:

As far as LBJ winning another...who cares? How many of the greatest players ever have more MVPs than rings? Wilt? Who else? Rings baby...that's what matters.

wcsoldier81 · by **wcsoldier81** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:07 am

^^^^ Parker has 3 titles as a key member of the team , 1 Finals MVP ... 1 one of the three players in history to have 3 rings before being 25 ... a top 3 European player of the decade with Dirk and Pau

not to mention he outplayed Nash each time they faced in the playoffs

Nash winning two MVPs is a bigger joke to me

thkthebest · by **thkthebest** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:21 am

What in the world is the argument for Tony Parker? Having the best record in the NBA? Lol! That would be almost as bad as Rose winning it last season. Who's second in MVP then? Luol Deng?

The MVP award is not "predetermined" in the preseason. If it were, Durant would have won it last season or will be winning one this season. Dirk wouldn't have won one. Rose wouldn't have won one last season.

wcsoldier81 · by **wcsoldier81** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:31 am

How many Spurs game did you watch this season ?

KJ MonK · by **KJ MonK** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:41 am

Cowherd just likes to mess with people he knows the LBJ stuff pisses ppl off
Nash deserved his MVPs (at least 1 of em)
TP is arguable but his team is just so cohesive they win without him on the floor... he only has 3 games of 28+ mins this month ... they're 15-2
and voters arent gonna elect sum1 sub 20 ppg AND not avg a double double, its just not gonna happen... stats do matter in these things...
MVP got watered down a long time ago though

thkthebest · by **thkthebest** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:48 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:^^^^ Parker has 3 titles as a key member of the team , 1 Finals MVP ... 1 one of the three players in history to have 3 rings before being 25 ... a top 3 European player of the decade with Dirk and Pau

not to mention he outplayed Nash each time they faced in the playoffs

Nash winning two MVPs is a bigger joke to me

Nash shouldn't have won those two MVPs (should be Shaq/Kobe), but Parker winning the MVP would be a huge joke. Nash has always lead one of the league's top offensive teams. In 09-10 (not one of his MVP years), he lead one of the best offensive teams of all-time. What Nash does extremely well is bring the most out of all his teammates. It doesn't matter who you put next to him. He will always lead one of the best offensive teams even at this age.

wcsoldier81 wrote:How many Spurs game did you watch this season ?

How many Spurs games have you exactly watched? How many games of teams other than the Spurs have you watched? I'd say I have watched over 50% of the games for all the playoff teams. Unless TP became Magic Johnson in the games that I missed, he has no argument for winning the MVP. If you have one, please present it to us.

KJ MonK · by **KJ MonK** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:54 am

Spurs record is more of a product of their coaching than Parker, although he has stepped it up to another level

JoelMyersScrotalSack · by **JoelMyersScrotalSack** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:43 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:If Parker won the MVP I think I would stop watching the NBA forever. But even though most of the analysts are stupid, they aren't that stupid thank god.

To bad fans don't understand and it is too bad that the analysts are that stupid. TP should be getting a great deal of love for the MVP this year plain and simple. Unfortunately the revolving door of the MVP race always changes for the "preseason favorite" each and every year. They pre-pick who they want and then change the rules accordingly. Funny how the media deminished Wade's performances and hyped Westbrooks. TP and the Spurs are also rans even though they finished ahead of Thunder and the Bulls finished ahead of the Heat.

Objectivity by the voters would have a much close race than LBJ the run away MVP like they will have. Damn shame for those of us who see past the ESPN highlight reel.

Making up stuff to support your argument doesn't give you any credibility. They didn't change any criteria or rules, most people had Durant as the MVP before the season started. But LeBron stepped up his play big time from last season and the Heat were a top team in the league. The Spurs didn't have a top record because Parker is THAT good, they did it by having top notch coaching and the deepest team in the league. It's pretty obvious from your posts that you would prefer anyone winning it over LeBron simply because you don't like him.

Clevername · by **Clevername** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:32 pm

The fact that the Spurs rested their starters toward the end and still ended with the best record in the west is enough reason to not hand TP the MVP. Though he played some incredible basketball this season.

I'm not a LeBron lover at all, but he deserves the MVP this year.

lakers_09tv · by **lakers_09tv** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:17 pm

Every year its someone different from the Spurs that "should" be an MVP candidate. Last year it was Manu. That alone should tell you all you need to know.

Parker and Manu aren't MVP level players. Sorry they just aren't.

Spurs are good, because they have the deepest team in the league, not because Parker is some great player thats carrying them on his back.

Just watch, next year it will be someone else from the Spurs that should be an MVP candidate.

Its a joke that people are even talking about this.

The Original 81 · by **The Original 81** on Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:36 pm

lakers_09tv wrote:Every year its someone different from the Spurs that "should" be an MVP candidate. Last year it was Manu. That alone should tell you all you need to know.

Parker and Manu aren't MVP level players. Sorry they just aren't.

Spurs are good, because they have the deepest team in the league, not because Parker is some great player thats carrying them on his back.

Just watch, next year it will be someone else from the Spurs that should be an MVP candidate.

Its a joke that people are even talking about this.

Since when does the criteria for MVP consist of carrying a team on your back? That's the problem with this award. There's no consistency whatsoever. And I'm not even disagreeing with you, I don't think TP is the MVP. My vote goes to Durant.

I think it was JVG who said they should rename the award to "Most Outstanding Player".

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