Official LBJ thread: Clutch in Miami 1-9?

JSM wrote:

therealdeal wrote:Yeah Magic really put himself out there. He said he'd put 1 million dollars down to see LeBron in the dunk contest and the money would go to the winner.

Wish a few more people would open their check book and really turn on the pressure cooker. Not just to see Bron choke on a national stage at an individual level, but to get some elite competition out there. Not the 9 fingered cup cake kid vs. an over the hill James Fight White competitions we've been stuck with lately.

Agreed. These events used to mean something to the elite players of the league. Bird in the 3 point competition. Jordan, Kobe, Dominque in the dunk competition. They relished that opportunity to showcase themselves and the fans reciprocated.

If we saw a LeBron competition the ratings would go through the roof. I just don't understand why they won't do it.

SO after the scary fall the other night for Lebron he played two days later against MInny. First take had the discussion of "Is Lebron the most durable athlete EVER." Now before I go into my WTF moment I will say one stat was crazy impressive to me for Lebron. He has missed 33 games in 10 years that is 3 a season which is pretty damn durable. Now, with that being said... I think of durable I think of Kobe breaking a finger on his shooting hand and not missing a game. I think of MJ playing the flu game. I don't think of "elbow gate" or the new "great knee debate" for the King. I can admit I am spoiled because Kobe does not miss games no matter what he has hurt (it seems) but to the LBJ thread I ask.... Is this a valid discussion of LBJ being the most durable of all time?

The title of most durable probably belongs to the Mailman. I don't think he ever got hurt until that oaf fell on his knee.

NBA's Iron Man: A.C. Green.

He didn't miss a game from November 19, 1986 to April 18, 2001.

That's durability right there.

AC green was good. Fisher was pretty durable as well.

But I think durable doesn't necessarily mean what we see in Kobe. I think that's just iron will. Kobe is the most willed player in the game, but I wouldn't say most durable, because he does get injured. He just plays through them (which is a greater feat than pure durability). So Kobe is one of the most durable as well as the most willed player in the game. Ice cold veins.

I think durability here refers to players that just manage to stay healthy and stay in the games. LeBron is up there, and given the physicality he plays with at 6'8 250 lbs I wouldn't argue that he is one of the most durable players in the game.

Yep. LeBron is pretty durable, but not the most durable ever.

Kobe is the most driven, and able to play through more injuries than anyone. Ever.

I do believe he might be the most durable. He is not like Fisher or Andre Miller, who don't injure because of their type of game, he is just doesn't injure no matter how he lands or what kind of hit he receives.

Of course, A.C. Green record is no joke. Simply impressive. And he did jump a lot and played with a lot of contact.

Another guy who want to present to the "elections" of Most Durable Guy is Russell Westbrook, who is yet to miss a game in his career.

Karl Malone was the most durable IMO. The beating that he took....he was a TANK.
Malone played 80+ games EVERY season his career except the lock-out season in 1998 and his last season with the Lakers when he got hurt...any other season? he missed a maximum of 1-2 games.

Magic Skywalker wrote:I do believe he might be the most durable. He is not like Fisher or Andre Miller, who don't injure because of their type of game, he is just doesn't injure no matter how he lands or what kind of hit he receives.

Of course, A.C. Green record is no joke. Simply impressive. And he did jump a lot and played with a lot of contact.

Another guy who want to present to the "elections" of Most Durable Guy is Russell Westbrook, who is yet to miss a game in his career.

I've got to believe Russell is going down with an injury soon. Maybe not a serious one, but definitely soon. He's too much of a high flier and too athletic of a player to never get hurt. I just don't see that happening for much longer.

That westbrook stat they dropped last night was crazy too. The dude has never missed a game at any level he has played at. That is nutts.

Westbrook will eventually go the way of Wade. The house always wins. Or in this case, the floor of the house.

The NBA TV guys showed a stat that today that Lebron made his first go-ahead game winner in the last 10 seconds of a game since joining MIami. I couldn't stop the screen to actually get the stats but it was pretty surprising that he is like 1-10 in that scenerio.

Game winner with 4 steps ... even Harden may be jealous

therealdeal wrote:

Magic Skywalker wrote:I do believe he might be the most durable. He is not like Fisher or Andre Miller, who don't injure because of their type of game, he is just doesn't injure no matter how he lands or what kind of hit he receives.

Of course, A.C. Green record is no joke. Simply impressive. And he did jump a lot and played with a lot of contact.

Another guy who want to present to the "elections" of Most Durable Guy is Russell Westbrook, who is yet to miss a game in his career.

I've got to believe Russell is going down with an injury soon. Maybe not a serious one, but definitely soon. He's too much of a high flier and too athletic of a player to never get hurt. I just don't see that happening for much longer.

Maybe. I won't say he won't because, as you say, he is a high flier. But because he is so much of a high flier is why he may become a candidate for "most durable" if he somehow doesn't injure, and is actually pretty impressive the simple fact that he is yet to miss a game playing the way he plays.

no one has ever played through injuries as successfully as kobe, i've lost track of how many times he's been injured or has something bothering him and still comes out and drops 30

kobe, malone, green, fisher, miller, wade. i'd put all those guys ahead of lebron in terms of durability. and i know i'm missing some

Magic Skywalker wrote:

therealdeal wrote:

Magic Skywalker wrote:I do believe he might be the most durable. He is not like Fisher or Andre Miller, who don't injure because of their type of game, he is just doesn't injure no matter how he lands or what kind of hit he receives.

Of course, A.C. Green record is no joke. Simply impressive. And he did jump a lot and played with a lot of contact.

Another guy who want to present to the "elections" of Most Durable Guy is Russell Westbrook, who is yet to miss a game in his career.

I've got to believe Russell is going down with an injury soon. Maybe not a serious one, but definitely soon. He's too much of a high flier and too athletic of a player to never get hurt. I just don't see that happening for much longer.

Maybe. I won't say he won't because, as you say, he is a high flier. But because he is so much of a high flier is why he may become a candidate for "most durable" if he somehow doesn't injure, and is actually pretty impressive the simple fact that he is yet to miss a game playing the way he plays.

I'm not denying the impressiveness at all. All I'm saying is I literally cannot see a scenario in which he doesn't sustain some sort of debilitating injury in the next couple of years. The way he plays, all out every single possession, using his athleticism in every way shape or form...

We've seen Rose, Shumpert, and Rondo all go down for the EXACT same thing. And I'm not convinced any of them are more athletic than Russell. The body just isn't built for what he's doing to it.

But again, what he's doing is absolutely impressive.

He travelled on that gamewinner

I saw this stat real quick one night on one show but never saw it again or even heard anyone mention it. Now I know the heat have won a lot of games but in all the years there this is the amount of time LBJ has had the game in his hands (taking the shot at least) and he had never made one until the celebrated winner the other day? This is suprising.....

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wow... best player in the nba by far.. scary good right now

Maluco Beleza wrote:wow... best player in the nba by far.. scary good right now

Shocking.

KB24 wrote:Karl Malone was the most durable IMO. The beating that he took....he was a TANK.
Malone played 80+ games EVERY season his career except the lock-out season in 1998 and his last season with the Lakers when he got hurt...any other season? he missed a maximum of 1-2 games.

This....

Malone was not only there every night..... he was consistently there for 18 years straight....

He's one of the most overlooked "greats" in the games history IMO......

^Malone was a beast.

"Game-winners" are such an overrated aspect of basketball. Kobe's percentages are often terrible as well

What should really be looked at is how amazing the Heat are in crunch time

http://stats.nba.com/leagueTeamClutch.h ... tOrder=DES

Not a single team comes close. LeBron has a huge part in that

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player ... tValue=all

^^ good and great teams don't need a lot of game winners. They've done their winning for 4 quarters most of the time.

As for Kobe's % in that position..... He's taken more than anyone ever most likely. Some of the makes far out weigh many of the misses IMO.

The Heat are capable of a level of play this year that no one else is..... Not even close it seems.

It's quite depressing if you're not a fan of the Heat, really. They will win it for sure.