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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:23 am

The other team was just too good ... nothing Lebron could do about it ...

He could have been better , particulary on the defensive end but these Finals for him are similar to Kobe one in 2008 imo ...
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:28 am

How about this:

LeBron's legendary efficiency is a false read and the preservation of his stats could be an underlying reason for his losing so often in the Finals. Players who win at all cost will take shots and miss. He'll push too hard and sacrifice his stats in order to win games. A player who is ultimately efficient is impressive, but if he loses every game then who cares?

I'd rather LeBron James score 45 points with 13 rebounds shooting 45% from the field than be perfect from the field and lose.
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Postby 432J on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:34 am

not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5.....

maybe he was referring to how many times the heat would lose in the finals
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:43 am

You are right to an extent but it doesn't matter in these Finals ... Heat couldn't get a stop , Lebron scoring more on a lower efficiency would have not changed the outcome of this series .

He was the main reason Heat lost in 2011 , not this time ... B-ball is still a team sport ... and when a team is vastly superior to the other , one individual , as great as he can be , can't do anything .

Don't get me wrong , I'm glad the Queen and D-Whistle lost but some of you guys are too much subjective about Lebron performance ( I know this is because the medias are giving him way too much credit though )
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:49 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:You are right to an extent but it doesn't matter in these Finals ... Heat couldn't get a stop , Lebron scoring more on a lower efficiency would have not changed the outcome of this series .

He was the main reason Heat lost in 2011 , not this time ... B-ball is still a team sport ... and when a team is vastly superior to the other , one individual , as great as he can be , can't do anything .

Don't get me wrong , I'm glad the Queen and D-Whistle lost but some of you guys are too much subjective about Lebron performance ( I know this is because the medias are giving him way too much credit though )

No it does matter in these Finals. It matters in every Finals. The man is nothing short of amazing. He could be everything the media wants him to be, but he isn't. The best player on the planet and he's sitting down at the end of this game. He's getting carried off with cramps. He's letting Kawhi Leonard, a 23 year old boy, turn him into something other than the best player on the planet. It's unacceptable.

The preservation of his stats will be the only thing anyone can give him credit for in this series and like someone else pointed out earlier: they're empty upon further inspection. He deserves to be crucified for the way these Finals have gone down and he deserves for his legacy to take a massive hit. Almost a direct hit that forces people to stop comparing him to Jordan and Kobe. Jordan and Kobe were never sub-.500 in the Finals. That's unacceptable for a top 5 player of all time. It just is. Jerry West would be considered one of the best of all time... but instead Bill Russell is the most decorated player ever.

Wade deserves to be crushed and spit out and his legacy should take the farthest dive of all, but LeBron is the leader. He's the man. He's the King. He takes the blame. No excuses.
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Postby Forward Three on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:58 am

I've said it of Lebron before, but one of the reasons I've never been able to think of him as a 'pure scorer' (which I admit is kind of a dumb term) is because there always feels to be a lid on his scoring potential. He is supernaturally proficient at hitting his average(and sometimes a little more) but soaring above it is pretty rare and definitely not something you can bank on any given night. Whether it's preserving his line, masking his fatigue, mentally not caring as much, or what. Fact of the matter is, I never felt that watching Kobe. Even if when the dust settles there is a compelling case for why Lebron is 'better' than Kobe at this and this and that, I'd still take Kobe 9 times out of 10 as a more enjoyable player to watch, a more thrilling player precisely for his ability to go the proverbial 'off' in a way that made you think "there is no limit here, there is seriously no limit". You so rarely get that from Lebron, and so repeatedly he demonstrates the exact opposite of "holy crap, if he keeps this up... oh wait never mind, he's done playing hard for the night, okay"

I will say this though. I have gained an enormous appreciation for how intelligent of a player he is. He very obviously understands the game on a higher level than most and I think it shows in how effectively he works to make the game easier for him. Doesn't make for the most exciting player to watch, but if I'm 12 and looking at a player to emulate, Lebron is a dang good place to start.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:01 am

I could not care less about players legacies , it's a team sport ... don't buy into the NBA communication/marketing plan

The only thing I care about now are for us to overcome the number 17 .
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:09 am

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End result: if Spurs close out game 6 last year as they should've, we're looking at LeBron quitting/choking in multiple games in a series (and these are PIVOTAL games) in 4 of the last 5 years! Including 3 of the last 4 Finals. If the East wasn't so weak, they wouldn't have made the Finals 4 straight years. Have they faced even 1 true contender in the East during the last 4 seasons? I don't believe so.

Nail --> Head.

Legacies are always tricky. The Lakers pull out the victory in Game 7 against the Kings and they've secured their threepeat. Courtney Lee misses a lob layup and the Lakers win that game. That's two Championships off the top of my head that could have gone the other way and changed the way people talk about Kobe and Shaq and Pau.

But they came through. Those guys ended up with a lot of hardware and established themselves. LeBron is now 2/5 in the Finals and it really could have been 1/5 if Ray Allen doesn't bail him out. If LeBron wins this Championship and secures 3 in a row, not only does he vault himself into the top 10/top 5 discussion but no one remembers that he stunk for much of the Finals. It doesn't matter because he's got the hardware.

But now we're talking about him barely winning 2 rings, let alone 3. He's a net LOSER in the Finals. That HAS to mean something. He might be the most talented player on the planet, a great player and a fantastic athlete, but he doesn't have the win at all costs mentality that Jordan and Kobe and Russell and Magic and Bird and Kareem and Duncan did/do. He says he wants it all, but he doesn't. Not the same way as those players. He doesn't want to sacrifice himself for it and that's why it's so hard for him to come by.

He needs a guy that's willing and able to take the pressure off of him. He needs a Kobe. He needs a Rondo even. Someone with a warrior's heart that can take the heat if they fail because he certainly can't.
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Postby LakeShow85 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:10 am

therealdeal wrote:The preservation of his stats will be the only thing anyone can give him credit for in this series and like someone else pointed out earlier: they're empty upon further inspection.


I am happy you pointed this out. Someone on another board said "Lebron was killing the Spurs based on his stats" You cannot kill a team and be down 3-1 in a series, but stat-junkies don't see that.

Forward Three wrote:I will say this though. I have gained an enormous appreciation for how intelligent of a player he is. He very obviously understands the game on a higher level than most and I think it shows in how effectively he works to make the game easier for him.


When everything is working for him you'll see him pace his game. 2-3 shots for every 4-5 passes and then he goes even deeper to shoot one 3 pointer for every 5 close-inside-mid range shots. When he catches fire and when he's able to string together consecutive shots at a time. He may be smart, but many analyzers are just as smart.
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Postby The Original 81 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:31 am

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puffyusaf#2 wrote:Roo- Most talented player by far. Best? I have said before I don't trust the man to do what it takes to win and that was proven time and again until realistically game 7 of last years Finals. That is the only game where, I personally felt, Lebron was simply amazing on the biggest stage. I think the guy is an amazing player with the heart of the tin man from the Whiz. I'd personally take Timmy D if I was starting a franchise with one of the players from this series but thats just me the obvious Lebron hater as Im told.


I realize what you are saying.... but the analyst in me see the Laker's last championship and their best player's performance as well. You think he win's number 5 without Fisher or Artest? Me either..... Nobody on Miami showed up other than LeBron.... no one.

The reality is that teams win championships. Fans attach that to players somewhat irrationally but they are led there by the media and marketing IMO. LeBron is not a likable star IMO.... but he's the most balanced player I've seen in a long time. The Heat fell apart a lot like the 04 Laker's did. Very similar series in fact.

Interesting that we see this so differently.... to me Tim Duncan is probably the most overrated player of the last 20 years. Not that I don't think he's a great player but I don't think he's been a the transcending player he gets credit for. He's faded in big games a lot more than he's led in them.....


I don't know Roo, when I look at LeBron James, something is...missing. He's the best player in basketball right now and will go down among the top 10 of all time. Unlike other manufactured stars (Coward, Paul, etc) he has improved his game in areas that needed improvement, his jumpshot mainly. I still think his post game is severely overrated and his footwork is still garbage, and he's still heavily reliant on his athleticism to get by. All I know is whatever "it" is is mental. He just doesn't have the mentality that separates some of the all time greats from others. I know you've been around generations of players and have seen a lot more than I have so I respect your opinion on things like this but as good as the guy is I just think he could be much better.
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:59 am

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puffyusaf#2 wrote:Roo- Most talented player by far. Best? I have said before I don't trust the man to do what it takes to win and that was proven time and again until realistically game 7 of last years Finals. That is the only game where, I personally felt, Lebron was simply amazing on the biggest stage. I think the guy is an amazing player with the heart of the tin man from the Whiz. I'd personally take Timmy D if I was starting a franchise with one of the players from this series but thats just me the obvious Lebron hater as Im told.


I realize what you are saying.... but the analyst in me see the Laker's last championship and their best player's performance as well. You think he win's number 5 without Fisher or Artest? Me either..... Nobody on Miami showed up other than LeBron.... no one.

The reality is that teams win championships. Fans attach that to players somewhat irrationally but they are led there by the media and marketing IMO. LeBron is not a likable star IMO.... but he's the most balanced player I've seen in a long time. The Heat fell apart a lot like the 04 Laker's did. Very similar series in fact.

Interesting that we see this so differently.... to me Tim Duncan is probably the most overrated player of the last 20 years. Not that I don't think he's a great player but I don't think he's been a the transcending player he gets credit for. He's faded in big games a lot more than he's led in them.....


I don't know Roo, when I look at LeBron James, something is...missing. He's the best player in basketball right now and will go down among the top 10 of all time. Unlike other manufactured stars (Coward, Paul, etc) he has improved his game in areas that needed improvement, his jumpshot mainly. I still think his post game is severely overrated and his footwork is still garbage, and he's still heavily reliant on his athleticism to get by. All I know is whatever "it" is is mental. He just doesn't have the mentality that separates some of the all time greats from others. I know you've been around generations of players and have seen a lot more than I have so I respect your opinion on things like this but as good as the guy is I just think he could be much better.



I don't disagree with any of that. He rose to the occasion last year in a game 7 when SA choked..... This year the Heat never were close enough to have any one player make a difference.

He's a talent and has grown but he's not a Kareem, Bird, Havlicek, Kobe or Michael..... The best big game closers I've ever seen.
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Re: Official LBJ thread: 2/5 Finals! Lets talk REAL legacy

Postby v1n5anity on Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:04 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:You are right to an extent but it doesn't matter in these Finals ... Heat couldn't get a stop , Lebron scoring more on a lower efficiency would have not changed the outcome of this series .

He was the main reason Heat lost in 2011 , not this time ... B-ball is still a team sport ... and when a team is vastly superior to the other , one individual , as great as he can be , can't do anything .

Don't get me wrong , I'm glad the Queen and D-Whistle lost but some of you guys are too much subjective about Lebron performance ( I know this is because the medias are giving him way too much credit though )


While this is true, he shrunk in big moments this Finals, when they needed him most. He can go off some games, but where is that guy they need him most? For example in game 4 of this series, where I mentioned he only had 9 points in the first half and they were down 19 (he was -15). He let it happen. I understand if your teammates don't show up. In 2008 when LeBron lost to the Celtics he had 45 points and got NO HELP. But I didn't criticize because he did all he could. He went down fighting. In game 4 of this years finals that wasn't the case. He looked timid/tentative or whatever you want to call it. It was reminiscent of 2011 Finals. He had just 5 FGA in the first half and didn't attack the defence. He wasn't even setting up teammates, he was deferring and passing to them hoping they can bail him out. He didn't attack or put pressure on the defence to make plays for himself or his teammates. And that's why I'm criticizing. His teammates didn't show up, but he didn't go down fighting and just watched and let his team fall down 19 in the first half of a pivotal game which pretty much decided the result. Then he comes out and scores 19 in the third when it was too late. Where was that in the first half when the team needed a boost? Not like his teammates starting player better during his run, clearly he could've done something in the first half if he came out like that in the 3rd. And that's the problem with him.

Game 5 he came out gunning in the first, but once again, it was too late, they needed that last game. And after a GREAT first quarter (he had 17 and 6), he scores just 3 points in the next quarter and his team goes from up 7 to down 7. I have to rewatch that quarter to see if he attacked, but I don't recall him being too aggressive. Going for huge bursts for one quarter, and not showing up for 3 quarters is unacceptable, I don't care what the stats say, he's gotta do better. It's not about losing to the Spurs (who were just unreal), it's about not fighting when his team needed him to step up. It may always be like that for LeBron.

He did have a great game 7 last year. However, Spurs were one play away from sealing game 6 and if that game 7 didn't happen, we are saying he choked. I specifically recall you saying LeBron took a step back mentally during last years Finals a few games in, so I'm know I'm not being subjective.
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Re: Official LBJ thread: 2/5 Finals! Lets talk REAL legacy

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:14 am

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puffyusaf#2 wrote:Roo- Most talented player by far. Best? I have said before I don't trust the man to do what it takes to win and that was proven time and again until realistically game 7 of last years Finals. That is the only game where, I personally felt, Lebron was simply amazing on the biggest stage. I think the guy is an amazing player with the heart of the tin man from the Whiz. I'd personally take Timmy D if I was starting a franchise with one of the players from this series but thats just me the obvious Lebron hater as Im told.


I realize what you are saying.... but the analyst in me see the Laker's last championship and their best player's performance as well. You think he win's number 5 without Fisher or Artest? Me either..... Nobody on Miami showed up other than LeBron.... no one.

The reality is that teams win championships. Fans attach that to players somewhat irrationally but they are led there by the media and marketing IMO. LeBron is not a likable star IMO.... but he's the most balanced player I've seen in a long time. The Heat fell apart a lot like the 04 Laker's did. Very similar series in fact.

Interesting that we see this so differently.... to me Tim Duncan is probably the most overrated player of the last 20 years. Not that I don't think he's a great player but I don't think he's been a the transcending player he gets credit for. He's faded in big games a lot more than he's led in them.....


I agree with you that you need role players. Magic and Kap don't win without Coop, Scott, Rambis etc, MJ doesn't win without Pip and the crew, Bird doesn't win without the green goblin gang, Kobe and Shaq doesn't win with Fish, Horry, Fox etc, SPurs don't win without Leanord etc etc etc. I 100% agree that the superstar player needs help to win it all. That being said, I think back to one of my all time favorite games (Finals Game 7, 2010) where Kobe basically couldn't hit an aircraft carrier if he was standing on the flight deck. Kobe couldn't make a bucket but damn it he did EVERYTHING else. He lead his team with energy and effort and then in the final minutes he came up with some of his biggest plays of the season. We remember Ron hitting the shot but those role players don't have the fight without their leader. Lebron quit (again) on his team and masterfully managed his stats (again) so people would not place blame on him.

Im not arguing against it being a team game just the idea that all of a sudden now the superstar gets a pass (so to speak) because his team didn't show up. We damn sure never heard anything about the "team game" when Kobe had to carry William Parker and crew around and nearly single-handedly beat a better Suns team in the playoffs. Thats part of what I have been saying is the Lebron effect. He wins then he was a great performer and leader. He loses then his team didn't have enough and they failed him. The truth has to be somewhere in the middle which is all I have been getting at during these convos.

Now to the Timmy argument. If we were picking today based on what we know about them I'd pick Timmy because I know I can build around him. If we were picking not knowing the "quitter" factor then I'd pick Lebron hands down, no question about it for simple athletic gift and potential. We never saw kid Lebron play in a serious spotlight where he had to carry his team against better or equal comp. He was a man among boys out there. So coming into the League we just see a man-child winner. Maybe Timmy is overrated but he is consistent and he is bringing it every game AND he always takes responsibility as a leader of his team not matter if they win or lose. I still remember Lebron leaving his teammates in Clev to answer questions for him after they lost in the playoffs.
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Postby thkthebest on Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:09 am

If the Spurs won last year as well (and they were very close to doing that), then Duncan would have 6 rings and he'd be 6-0 in the Finals. People would suddenly start making comparisons to Jordan and putting him in the top 3. :man11:
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:39 am

thkthebest wrote:If the Spurs won last year as well (and they were very close to doing that), then Duncan would have 6 rings and he'd be 6-0 in the Finals. People would suddenly start making comparisons to Jordan and putting him in the top 3. :man11:

Duncan won't get the love right away, but he should be in that conversation right now. He's maybe the best PF of all time when you factor in his longevity. He should be in the top 5 conversation at least. I try to stay away from wing-to-big comparisons, but if I'm building my top 2 players at every position Timmy is in that discussion.

Magic/Stockton
Jordan/Kobe
Bird/Baylor
Duncan/Garnett
Kareem/Russell

With some discussion available obviously, but he's in there.
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Postby Basketball Fan on Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:53 am

And so it begins... if you leave the Heat LeBron do yourself a favor and not host "The Decision:II"

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... s-any-day/

Report: LeBron James and his wife ‘love Los Angeles’

LeBron James’ season is over, and that means another free agent frenzy is brewing.

The Lakers are reportedly waiting to let LeBron choose their next coach, and I don’t believe it’s coincidence a report about LeBron’s unlimited options used the Clippers as its primary example.

Among the cities lining up to lure LeBron from the Heat, Los Angeles seems to be at the forefront.

Marc J. Spears of Yahoo Sports:

a source said James and his wife, Savannah, love Los Angeles. LeBron James also is close with Clippers point guard Chris Paul and he admires coach Doc Rivers.

Spears is a reliable reporter, and I’m convinced he’s right: LeBron loves Los Angeles. I know LeBron also loves Miami. I bet he loves New York, too. (Sit down, Knicks fans.)

There are probably several cities LeBron enjoys. That doesn’t mean he’s leaving the Heat.

The Clippers are a non-starter unless Donald Sterling no longer owns the team. Although that seems likely before next season, it might not be sewn up before LeBron is ready to sign. Even if Sterling is ousted in time, the Clippers have no cap room. LeBron would have to convince Pat Riley to do a sign-and-trade, probably based around Blake Griffin.

The Lakers have bottomed out, and LeBron alone won’t make them stronger than the Heat were with him. Kobe Bryant is no longer the player he once was, and his salary drastically limits the Lakers’ options. If LeBron wants a situation like that, he might as well stick with Dwyane Wade. Maybe Carmelo Anthony also joining the Lakers would interest LeBron, but again, why not just do that in South Beach?

LeBron has been conspicuously mum about whether he will even terminate his contract to become a free agent this offseason. Asked last night about his decision, he said, “I haven’t even really thought about that just yet.”

Until he does, we’re left just grasping at clues about his future. His fondness for Los Angles is one piece, but in the bigger puzzle, it probably doesn’t mean much.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:00 am

There's only one way to clear enough room to build something in LA that's better than staying in Miami and that's unloading Nash somehow. You get his contract off the books in any way shape or form and you have Kobe's 23.5, the Rookie's 2.4, and Sacre and Marshall which comes out to 1.8 million. That's only 27.7 million on the books. That leaves 34.6 million to spend. Use 22.4 on LeBron and you've got 12 million left to go get someone else. Maybe take back a contract so you get another first rounder. Maybe sign Deng or something like that. Then you acquire enough assets to make a move during the season for Love. Love/Kobe/Kang gets you to the Conference Finals I think.
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Postby TIME on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:58 am

Kobe on a peg leg is better than DWade.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:13 am

TIME wrote:Kobe on a peg leg is better than DWade.

One of my favorite things about this post season:
- LeBron's failure has now all but guaranteed he's fallen from the "top 5" talk. At least until he does something to prove us all wrong. Right now he's pushing up into the top 15-20, but until he puts the team on his back all the way through the Finals like he did in 2012 on a consistent basis then he's not the best ever. Awesome.

- Wade's silly comparisons to Kobe can end. Remember that idiot who said this Miami team could compete with the Lakers in 2004 (let alone 2000-2002)? He said Wade and Kobe basically cancelled each other out. :man10:

:man10: :man10: :man10: :man10: :man10:

Wade is a shadow. A pretender. He'll go down as a forgotten footnote somewhere. My hatred for Wade far outweighs my hatred for LeBron at this point.
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Postby thkthebest on Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:19 am

I hope Wade becomes forgotten.

I see people actually calling him as the "greatest" without an MVP/3rd best SG ever. Yes, above Jerry West. :mad1:
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Postby The Original 81 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:23 am

therealdeal wrote:
TIME wrote:Kobe on a peg leg is better than DWade.

One of my favorite things about this post season:
- LeBron's failure has now all but guaranteed he's fallen from the "top 5" talk. At least until he does something to prove us all wrong. Right now he's pushing up into the top 15-20, but until he puts the team on his back all the way through the Finals like he did in 2012 on a consistent basis then he's not the best ever. Awesome.

- Wade's silly comparisons to Kobe can end. Remember that idiot who said this Miami team could compete with the Lakers in 2004 (let alone 2000-2002)? He said Wade and Kobe basically cancelled each other out. :man10:

:man10: :man10: :man10: :man10: :man10:

Wade is a shadow. A pretender. He'll go down as a forgotten footnote somewhere. My hatred for Wade far outweighs my hatred for LeBron at this point.


I absolutely loathe Dwyane Wade, way more then I'll ever dislike LeBron. At least Bron really is great, Wade has been a fraud his entire career. Nothing made me more happy then seeing him look like a total bum out there. He really looked pathetic.
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Re: Official LBJ thread: 2/5 Finals! Lets talk REAL legacy

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:29 am

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I absolutely loathe Dwyane Wade, way more then I'll ever dislike LeBron. At least Bron really is great, Wade has been a fraud his entire career. Nothing made me more happy then seeing him look like a total bum out there. He really looked pathetic.

Wade was the first Harden. Harden will be the guy I hate as Wade fades off, I can see that coming already. Other guys like Paul and Griffin actually do have tremendous talent, but Wade and Harden were just chosen for whatever reason to be the next guy.

Wade's entire career has been built off of Kobe's shadow and I love that Kobe has almost always shown him up. I loved seeing that video of Wade waddling around the court not playing defense.
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Re: Official LBJ thread: 2/5 Finals! Lets talk REAL legacy

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:24 pm

I don't think I know a single person that likes Wade or recognizes him as anything more than douche. Our group text was 5-0 in favor of seeing Wade's leg fall off at some point during the Finals. :man10:

Thanks for reminding of what Palmer said Real. I will resurface that Tweet and bring it to his attention.
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Re: Official LBJ thread: 2/5 Finals! Lets talk REAL legacy

Postby John3:16 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:31 pm

It was Palmer who said that?
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