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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:35 pm

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Postby Finwë on Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:50 pm

Michael Jordan, '87-'88 season, games 66-71:

Game 66: 18/32 FG, 5/6 FT, 41 pts, 6 reb, 5 ast, 5 stl
Game 67: 16/28 FG, 2/3 3pt FG, 9/10, 43 pts, 5 reb, 6 ast, 5 stl
Game 68: 14/24 FG, 28 pts, 12 reb, 5 ast, 6 stl
Game 69: 23/37 FG, 21/23 FT, 69 pts, 18 reb, 6 ast, 4 stl
Game 70: 20/34 FG, 8/9 FT, 49 pts, 12 reb, 4 ast, 5 stl
Game 71: 20/29 FG, 6/9 FT, 47 pts, 6 reb, 7 ast, 3 stl, 3 blk

6 games average: 46.1 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 5.5 apg, 4.6 spg, 1.1 bpg on 60% FG.

IMO that's a better stretch, and it's just one example. Jordan averaged 16 more ppg in his stretch, more rpg, about the same in apg, a lot more spg. His fg% is lower than LBJ's in his current stretch, but 60% is still amazing (and he wasn't playing in a super team that allowed him to pick and choose his spots with comfort).

Statistically, league history is full of amazing stretches. Shaq has had some monster stretches, so has Kobe, so has Jordan, so ha KAJ, so has Wilt, so has Oscar Robertson, and so forth and so on.
LeBron's stretch is great almost solely because of his high %. It's undeniable that it's pretty amazing, even though he's actually playing the 4 now, most of his shots come in the paint and the jumpshots that he does take are usually open (he picks and chooses his spots very well) and he's in a rythm. Still, it's a pretty amazing run.
Best run ever though? No way.
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Postby Finwë on Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:56 pm

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LOL, magic just realized that there have been other guys who were (or are) very good other than LeBron.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:56 pm

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Re: Official LBJ thread: Kobe never as good as LBJ (THEONE24)

Postby Forward Three on Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:18 pm

Lebron was playing so-so most of the game today, but in the second half he just decided "oh yeah might as well score 30 points" and it looked as easy as that. Kobe played well against him in 1v1 today, wouldn't have minded seeing more of that. There was that one moment when Lebron nearly fell over biting on a Kobe fake.

But then Lebron went for 11 straight at one point as well with Metta guarding him. Which kind of closes the book on that one. It's true that Metta/Ron has been one of the few to effectively stop Lebron across his career(maybe not overall, but still) but by now, Lebron just barely even notices that he is there.

Which, is kind of true of Lebron against anyone in a way. The way he sets himself up and drives it really is like he just doesn't even consider that there is a defender in front of him, because he knows they can't stop him really so he just does what he wants.

ESPN certainly can't stop suckling him though. He's having an incredible stretch field goal % wise, but it's not like stretches like this haven't been done before, where ESPN is going out of their way to make it seem like the most incredible stretch of basketball that's ever occurred.

This season though is in some ways looking to be Lebron's best individual season, even though his scoring is down somewhat, he's had all these stretches of nearly unprecedented play. his 20+ ppg scoring streak, the no-fouls streak, and now this FG% streak. It's next-level stuff.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:21 pm

^He's playing great. You can still make him work, though. Metta didn't defend him intelligently. Lebron's the best player in the world, though. He deserves credit & he's on his way to a 2nd championship...
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:24 pm

I still think that NY has a shot to knock them off. Melo is the only guy strong enough and young enough to beat LeBron head to head. Imagine how you can slow LeBron down if you make him work on defense every possession. Ron gives him a free pass on the defensive end, and then defends him poorly. LeBron is great, but his limited game makes him easier than other stars to contain. Make him into a shooter, and contest his shots. His poor shooting form makes it easier to make him miss when you rush him or crowd him.
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Re: Official LBJ thread: Kobe never as good as LBJ (THEONE24)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:56 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:I still think that NY has a shot to knock them off. Melo is the only guy strong enough and young enough to beat LeBron head to head. Imagine how you can slow LeBron down if you make him work on defense every possession. Ron gives him a free pass on the defensive end, and then defends him poorly. LeBron is great, but his limited game makes him easier than other stars to contain. Make him into a shooter, and contest his shots. His poor shooting form makes it easier to make him miss when you rush him or crowd him.


Huge if IMO..... But let's say it happens..... Who stops Wade on NY?

Also don't forget that LeBron is a fantastic defender and can just as easily nullify Melo.... Who carries NY then?

A 40 year old shut Melo down in the second half today.....
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Re: Official LBJ thread: Kobe never as good as LBJ (THEONE24)

Postby Forward Three on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:25 pm

The table is certainly set for a Miami repeat, the East got weaker and while the West got stronger, the Heat have already shown they can throw teams like the Clippers around pretty convincingly. Still, the Heat look weaker this year to me than they did last year. Lebron looks better, but that's about it. I think if it is a Thunder vs. Heat rematch in the Finals the Thunder take it in much the same way the Lakers took the 2010 Celtics rematch series. For all the gushing about Lebron's play, people forget that Durant's play has elevated substantially since last season as well, and sure Westbrook is still a hothead and a 'mad is bad' player, but I just don't see him committing the same stupid mistakes if he gets another shot to beat Miami in the Finals, and they already were only a couple of bad plays in each game away from winning the thing last season.

I think it is a very good likelihood that Miami makes it to the Finals again, but the only team of the West elite that I think they would beat is LAC.
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Postby Finwë on Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:45 pm

Roos, I think Shumpert and Kidd would do fine against Wade. And while LeBron would do a good job on Melo, I doubt he'd "stop" him. Given the nature of his game, it's very hard to "stop" Melo. You just need to hope he misses, but when he gets on a roll it's almost impossible. And those streaks have been more frequent this year.
He's also got a better supporting cast, a bunch of shooters to space the floor, strong big men who can finish, and a veteran guard who will find him in his spots (kidd). Their D is much improved.

Not saying they are gonna win, but NY is very well equiped for a long playoff run. If they keep moving the ball and they don't hit a shooting slump, they can be very dangerous.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:31 am

Forward Three wrote:The table is certainly set for a Miami repeat, the East got weaker and while the West got stronger, the Heat have already shown they can throw teams like the Clippers around pretty convincingly. Still, the Heat look weaker this year to me than they did last year. Lebron looks better, but that's about it. I think if it is a Thunder vs. Heat rematch in the Finals the Thunder take it in much the same way the Lakers took the 2010 Celtics rematch series. For all the gushing about Lebron's play, people forget that Durant's play has elevated substantially since last season as well, and sure Westbrook is still a hothead and a 'mad is bad' player, but I just don't see him committing the same stupid mistakes if he gets another shot to beat Miami in the Finals, and they already were only a couple of bad plays in each game away from winning the thing last season.

I think it is a very good likelihood that Miami makes it to the Finals again, but the only team of the West elite that I think they would beat is LAC.


Thunders has shown NOTHING AS A TEAM so far this season to convince me they improve and could beat the Heat in the Finals ...

The loss at Miami the Christmas day was the same old story as the Finals games ... close game with OKC committing dumb TOs and not taking sound decisions in the 4th ... mainly by Westbrook
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Postby Finwë on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:46 am

I think if anybody from the West is gonna beat Miami it's gonna be San Antonio. Unfortunately, I think OKC best matches up with SAS, and Miami with OKC. So it wouldn't surprise me beat SAS only to lose to Miami again.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:09 am

Finwë wrote:I think if anybody from the West is gonna beat Miami it's gonna be San Antonio. Unfortunately, I think OKC best matches up with SAS, and Miami with OKC. So it wouldn't surprise me beat SAS only to lose to Miami again.


This Heat-SAS would be intriguing ... I'm not saying SAS would be the Heat but I'm definetely more interested in watching this matchup than a Heat-OKC rematch ( of course if we don't make it to the Finals :man10:) ... the result is predictable and too much 1 on 1 B-Ball ... but yeah I don't see SAS beating OKC
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Postby KB24 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:46 am

Finwë wrote:Michael Jordan, '87-'88 season, games 66-71:

Game 66: 18/32 FG, 5/6 FT, 41 pts, 6 reb, 5 ast, 5 stl
Game 67: 16/28 FG, 2/3 3pt FG, 9/10, 43 pts, 5 reb, 6 ast, 5 stl
Game 68: 14/24 FG, 28 pts, 12 reb, 5 ast, 6 stl
Game 69: 23/37 FG, 21/23 FT, 69 pts, 18 reb, 6 ast, 4 stl
Game 70: 20/34 FG, 8/9 FT, 49 pts, 12 reb, 4 ast, 5 stl
Game 71: 20/29 FG, 6/9 FT, 47 pts, 6 reb, 7 ast, 3 stl, 3 blk

6 games average: 46.1 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 5.5 apg, 4.6 spg, 1.1 bpg on 60% FG.

IMO that's a better stretch, and it's just one example. Jordan averaged 16 more ppg in his stretch, more rpg, about the same in apg, a lot more spg. His fg% is lower than LBJ's in his current stretch, but 60% is still amazing (and he wasn't playing in a super team that allowed him to pick and choose his spots with comfort).

Statistically, league history is full of amazing stretches. Shaq has had some monster stretches, so has Kobe, so has Jordan, so ha KAJ, so has Wilt, so has Oscar Robertson, and so forth and so on.
LeBron's stretch is great almost solely because of his high %. It's undeniable that it's pretty amazing, even though he's actually playing the 4 now, most of his shots come in the paint and the jumpshots that he does take are usually open (he picks and chooses his spots very well) and he's in a rythm. Still, it's a pretty amazing run.
Best run ever though? No way.


I didn't know about this stretch...but ya, this is definitely better than LeBron's stretch....actually looking at those stats you kind of realize why Kobe isn't close to touching MJ. 3 games with 20+ FG made...thats mind boggling.
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Re: Official LBJ thread: Kobe never as good as LBJ (THEONE24)

Postby KB24 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:50 am

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Since LeBron entered the NBA in 2003, Kobe has 303 games with at least 30 points. LeBron has 301.

isn't that insane...I could have bet Kobe had 100 more 30 point games LOL.

One has to admit, LeBron is so much more consistent than Kobe. He basically NEVER has an off-game and even though he doesn't have all those 40-50-60 point games, he kind of always scores around 30...sometimes 25 and sometimes 35 but always in that range with high efficiency.

When you grow older and put things into perspective...I really am happy to see Kobe and LeBron play because to me both are going to be all-time great players. How great? we will see. I know Laker fans on a Laker board aren't going to give LeBron enough credit. Even I absolutely hate him and hate him even more when we lose to them. But LeBron right now is just on a different level. He does as he pleases and whatever you throw at him, it doesn't matter.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:07 am

Difference of efficiency between Lebron and Kobe is scary... more 30+pts games on 60%+ from the field in 7 less seasons :man3:

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Postby KB24 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:42 am

admittedly Kobe takes much tougher shots than LeBron so I'm amazed that Kobe is even shooting like 45% on the type of shots he takes. But there is no denying that Kobe is a volume shooter while LeBron is not. Kobe never minds taking a bad shot or missing many shots. Its a conscience issue IMO. Kobe could have taken much better shots and definitely shoot 48% or so for his career but he doesn't because at some point every year his shot will be off and he will continue to pile up those 7-26 games to ruin his percentages.

Not LeBron, not MJ, not Wilt...nobody is a better scorer than Kobe IMO when you factor in the array of moves and the degree of difficulity on Kobe's shots. His shooting form is perfect, he has EVERY move in the bag with either hand, he has (had) unlimited range, the killer instinct to go for it, the lack of fear of failing or missing too many shots. Kobe is the best scorer ever, second bar none and I can say that without hesitation. But that doesn't mean the end result is the best and the truth is it isn't. Kobe has ups and downs through a season of putrid shooting games and amazing shooting stretches.

LeBron is shooting higher than 50% every year, even his 3 ball has reached 40%+. I always hated when guys like T-Mac, Carter or Pierce shot better percentages than Kobe from long range considering he is a better shooter than those guys but Kobe just doesn't care about efficiency.

LeBron picks and chooses his spots much more carefully and he also can do more beside scoring so he isn't so focused on it. Kobe has always been a scorer and he always felt he can contribute best by scoring the basketball. Kobe is a jump shooter though which is a lot harder to shoot consistently compared to LeBron's layup party every game.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:50 am

I'm in awe whenever LeBron takes over a game, but when he does it's a sheer act of will, not a clinic.

Kobe puts on a clinic of moves and fundamentals every time he plays.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:16 am

I thought the game Sunday was really fun to watch between these two. Kobe showed some offensive prowess, but it was really clear who the best player in the NBA was.
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Postby John3:16 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:02 pm

therealdeal wrote:I thought the game Sunday was really fun to watch between these two. Kobe showed some offensive prowess, but it was really clear who the best player in the NBA was.


Agree. Sadly.

LeBron, right now, is on a whole 'nother level.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:19 pm

John3:16 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I thought the game Sunday was really fun to watch between these two. Kobe showed some offensive prowess, but it was really clear who the best player in the NBA was.


Agree. Sadly.

LeBron, right now, is on a whole 'nother level.

As long as he remains healthy, I think he'll be there for at least a few years. His shot is vastly improved and he's not afraid to take it. He can get to the rim when he wants and when he cant the refs will give him the benefit of the doubt (Nash elbowed in the mouth = foul?).

But definitely this man is at the top of his game and it's impressive to see.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:48 pm

Lebron is able to play closer to the rim and gets a ton of his points in and around the paint. His FG% will be higher than Kobe who is a SG and takes the majority from 15 feet on out. This is not to deminish what Lebron is doing because the dude is balling plain and simple. However, I think it is a descredit to Kobe to simply say Lebron is the better scorer. He isn't. In my opinion that is.
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Postby Finwë on Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:27 am

Also, while he does have better "shot selection" than Kobe, I think we should point out that he can afford to be so selective and really pick his spots and only take makeable shots. He's got a much better team in terms of consistent production from other players (even role players), he's got a ton of shooters who space the floor just as good as any team in the league, the team plays better D so they're under less pressure on O, the offensive system & personnel is almost custom made for his playing style. There are no bigs cloggin the lane, there's a ton of space to operate, there's movement off the ball, there's post up action...

Add all of that to being a physical monster that can take it to the rim at will (almost 40% of his points are in the paint I think), leading the league in fastbreak points, getting calls on contact (Kobe takes more FTs but he gets more bad no calls than LeBron for sure), and being in a good shooting rythm all season long (that does deserve praise) and you get his high %.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:02 am

John3:16 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:I thought the game Sunday was really fun to watch between these two. Kobe showed some offensive prowess, but it was really clear who the best player in the NBA was.


Agree. Sadly.

LeBron, right now, is on a whole 'nother level.


Well Lebron is playing his 10th , Kobe his 17th ... I don't think it's "sad" , it's just normal ...

Kobe has a case of being the 3rd best player in the league in his 17th season (definetely top 5) is AMAZING and maybe unprecedented ( only Kareem ... maybe , I didn't witness this era so can't tell)
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Postby John3:16 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:22 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Kobe has a case of being the 3rd best player in the league in his 17th season (definetely top 5) is AMAZING and maybe unprecedented ( only Kareem ... maybe , I didn't witness this era so can't tell)


I'm a HUGE Kareem fan. he wasn't top 5 in his 17th year. Maybe his 15th year. By 1985, the Lakers turned the focus of the team to Magic. Kareem was still vital to their success (MVP of the Finals that year), but he wasn't the dominant player he was in years prior. Nor would he be again.

I've never seen someone this dominant this late in their career. Once in a generation talent.
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