My (shallow) statements and opinions will be based solely on the past 20 years give or take (when Jordan started repeating for the first time) so of course, my arguments for GOAT will be very limited
to the past 20 years of what I've been able to see.
My one and only reason for not giving GOAT to LBJ (well, maybe two) is the fact that he had to collude/collaborate with Bosh and Wade to form the Superteam that the media have come to term it as and his mentality (as mentioned earlier).
I have no beef with this Spurs team (wanted them to win) because it was put together in the ideal and the proper
way (if there ever is such a thing as a proper way to put together a team) through careful drafting over many years.
Heck, I have no problems with how this year's Lakers team was put together because it was executed through trades and not pre-planned. There is a problem when, in two years, you have players (who were good role players for their prior teams) such as Birdman, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis, Mike Miller, Shane Battier who all flock to Miami to win.
You got me at the 2004 Lakers being beat by a 'nobody' (I wouldn't put the Pistons team as a nobody because now it would be saying that the 2013 Spurs are a nobody team also). This year's finals very closely resembles the 2004 finals because of a 'Superteam' vs. a 'Nobody' team, but that the Superteam prevailed in this case. It was a case of 2-3 superstars mashed with great, fitting role players vs. a team that prides itself on defense, cohesion, trust, and team play. It's been so long ago so I don't really remember the 2004 Lakers team all that well, but in that case, it was 4 superstars mashed with role players vs. a team that prides itself on defense, cohesion, trust, and team play. The kicker may be that the 4 superstars didn't really mesh well because I remember that 3 players had to ask PJax to go back to the Triangle (whether this is true, I don't know).
charvin wrote:In my opinion, he should not be in the discussion for GOAT, ever. Yes, as great an individual player he is (absolutely, the best athlete physically seen in the past 10-15 years), but because he had to form a Superteam to win championships, that, in my eyes, subtracts any credibility of his championships. It's been said before, and I agree with it, he lacks the killer instinct to completely push him over the top and actually be the GOAT.
The Miami Heat are absolutely playing well within the rules to attract free agents, but when you have everybody and their mother wanting to come to Miami to win, that completely undermines and destroyed whatever this new CBA was trying to achieve - parity.
So the 80's Lakers can't have anyone in the conversation for the GOAT by that analysis.... neither can the 60's Celtics.... or the Spurs teams that have won 4 of 5...
That leaves only Jordan if you are going by that logic...
What is a "Super team" anyway? Kobe couldn't get our "Super Team" anywhere.... Shaq and Kobe had one in 2004 that was beat by a "nobody" team....
Miami was led to a championship by LeBron... I know that's hard to take for some of you but it's reality..... and it's reality that the other "super friends" would have failed with just about any other player in LeBron's spot.... so yeah.. I think he is in the conversation. Not at the top of it but definitely in it.... at 27.