Official LBJ thread: G5: Is Lebron fatigued? (173)

Never been so clear that Lebron is the best in the world.

puffyusaf#2 wrote:Man the King has turned even CL into a lovefest for Lebron.

Bad taste in everyones mouth with how this season is unfolding, its a backhanded subconscious insult if i want to get all Freudinan, because hes led this team to a sub-500 record. Different story if Lakers were the #1 seed and Kobe had those averages earlier this season. kobe stans find ways to argue even if he puts up 4 points lol 'If you cant beat em, join em'.

To me Kobe is still the best scorer. He can score from anywhere, against multiple defenders.

I'm not going to talk badly about LeBron, because I agree that he is amazing to watch. But to call him a better scorer than Kobe is laughable. First of all, he may have almost as many 30+ games, but Kobe has had many more 40+ and 50+ games. Remember when Kobe broke the Madison Square Garden record with 61 points or whatever, and LeBron tried to break it a couple of days later? He couldn't get to 50, even with a conscious effort, because using his arsenal he'd have to get 20 layups or dunks in one game , which is highly unlikely given a decent defense, and very tiring to drive that many times in a game. LeBron doesn't have the ability to put up 60, 70, or 80 points in a game. No one can have that many drives to the basket. And don't tell me that he can do it with his efficient post game or outside shooting. If you watch a whole game, not just the ESPN highlights, you'll see that he doesn't post up very many times per game, or drain that many threes.

LeBron is a great player, but most of his points during a game come from drives to the basket, and fast break dunks/layups. THAT's why he's been shooting such a high percentage the last few games. Lets be real people. He's not shooting 60% or whatever as a jumpshooter.

Even some posters in realgm claimed that Lebron is as good as Magic as a playmaker and passer lol

That's laughable too. Magic was on a completely different level from anyone I've ever seen. Nash had occasional flashes of it when he was younger, and Jason Kidd too, but they were like LeBron and Kobe chasing MJ.

Yep, and 6 beats 5 and definitely beats 1. That's what he's really saying.

^Haha touche, but I don't think anyone rational is seriously putting LeBron or Kobe ahead of Jordan.

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:LeBron is a great player, but most of his points during a game come from drives to the basket, and fast break dunks/layups. THAT's why he's been shooting such a high percentage the last few games. Lets be real people. He's not shooting 60% or whatever as a jumpshooter.

Exactly, and at least ~25% of his points come in the fast break.

41% of his shots come inside not even the paint-- but the restricted zone. Now that's not to take away from him....he is a specimen of a player. His size, speed, length, handles, and touch are phenomenal.

But to compare his "streak" to Elgin or Michael or Kobe is stupid...when 60-70% of your baskets are at the rim. Just more ESPN talk.

noobiew wrote:Even some posters in realgm claimed that Lebron is as good as Magic as a playmaker and passer lol

Those people must not have seen Magic play.

What does it matter where he takes his shots or how close they are to the rim? It still goes in and the points still count. If he was like perkins who just gets the ball close and dunks it then you would have a points because someone else is doing the work for him, but lebron usually takes it from the top to the hole in a couple strides to score while getting hit the whole way which is pretty amazing. The only thing I wouldnt count are fast break oops cause you dont really have to do anything besides catch and dunk.

Hes shooting a better 3pt % than ray allen and is shooting more of them than last year which is surprising to everyone. Also IMO its harder to keep driving, taking hits, and somehow still making them then it is to keep shooting so i dont like that excuse about where his shots are. He's already fixed almost every criticism people have given him and you guys still have to find the tiniest things to focus on.

I agree with people saying he really doesnt have a go-to move, he just drives and scores with pure power and a soft touch at the same time which is really special. Most people need the moves to get around people so they dont hit them and they can score. lebron just skipped a step and just takes the hits and still manages to put the right touch on it to score.

I dont think anyone should be compared to MJ because no one will beat his legacy so all this talk is nonsense. It looks like Im nut hugging LBJ but we are watching greatness even if its from someone I really disklike

It matters if you are comparing him to Jordan..Do you read posts? A lot of Jordan's shots came outside of the paint.

Also LeBron is not in the top 50 in 3-Point FGM, FYI. So theoretically, Dwight, having taken like 1 or 2 threes this year, has a HIGHER PERCENTAGE than LeBron. WTF does that tell me?

No one is denying he is great. But when you're 6-8, 280 of muscle, and that fast...you're doing most of the "hitting".

Said it before and I will again. He's a top player. He's great. But my beef comes when you put him in the same breath as Michael and Kobe overall.

He's just not there.

Did he shave his head bald?

apparently you cant comprehend things so ill explain it more. Yes dwight could be averaging 100% if he took one 3 and made it..a third grader can tell you that and idk why you felt the need to say it. Has lebron taken only one 3 this season? No? Did I say that hes in the top 50 for 3s? No? So what is your post trying to say? I said this season which is more than half done lebron has shot a higher 3pt % than ray allen. 62-82 is crazy idc what you say.

your just pissed cause someone is as good as kobe except more efficient lol.

Not really, I'm willing to give LeBron his due. He's really fun to watch. But I've been watching this 4th quarter of the Heat versus the Thunder, and While I've been watching LeBron has made one three, missed one three, and dunked four times. Like I said in earlier post, if you watch the game, not the highlights, you'll see he dunks like 60-80% of the time. That explains the super high FG%.

And he just missed a midrange jumper, that was uncontested.

And he just blew a bullet pass.

But he made up for it with a , you guessed it, DUNK!!

And he just missed a three.

i stopped watching the game cause it was getting boring, but did you watch the first half? he was drilling shots in peoples faces and creating his own space for some jumpers.

edit: idk whats the problem with dunks though, yea they exaggerate FG% but if you could almost guarantee 2 points by dunking and it works almost every time then why not? its not like getting into the lane and dunking is easy or we would have alot more people averaging lebrons numbers.

So 14/24 tonight, which is about 58%. Pretty good, but the fourth quarter looked to me like missed jumpers and made dunks.

If a player CAN dunk then kudos to him because most players can't do it like LeBron even if they wanted to.

He is making great decisions and doing what everybody wants to do but can't.

are we going to discredit Shaq because he dunked the ball? If you're that dominant to be able to do so, you should get all the credit.

Bottom line: LeBron is an incredible player doing incredible things. No ifs or buts, period. If anybody disagrees, then rest assured you're dead wrong.

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:So 14/24 tonight, which is about 58%. Pretty good, but the fourth quarter looked to me like missed jumpers and made dunks.

you should watch the 1st half ... a mix of off balance/ standstill in your face jumper ala Kobe in the 2nd quarter

KB24 wrote:If a player CAN dunk then kudos to him because most players can't do it like LeBron even if they wanted to.

He is making great decisions and doing what everybody wants to do but can't.

are we going to discredit Shaq because he dunked the ball? If you're that dominant to be able to do so, you should get all the credit.

Bottom line: LeBron is an incredible player doing incredible things. No ifs or buts, period. If anybody disagrees, then rest assured you're dead wrong.

I agree, but I don't think VVVV was trying to discredit LeBron, just clarifying that it's not like his jumpshot is the best in the league and he's this amazing shooter that can't miss and that's how he's shooting such a high %, no, most of his high % is due to him taking very high percentage shots, most of them in the paint, many of them fastbreak dunks. LeBron is finally fully taking advantage of his superior athleticism in terms of an all-around athletic package, and it's paying off, he's taking the ball to the basket more frequently and more effectively (something he should've been doing since 2005 but whatever) and the threat of it is giving him more space to shoot than most wing players enjoy. On top of it he's not forcing ANY shots at all, the only shots he takes are either wide open or with a man on him but when he's really feeling it and has rythm. He doesn't take half-court heaves, he doesn't take last second bailout shots.. He's got space from shooters and no bigs clogging the lane, he's got the freak athleticism, he's got an improve shot and lots of room to take it, he's got a fantastic team that allows him to let the game come to him and not having pressure to score himself on every trip.

Regarding discrediting dunks and Shaq and all that, I would never say that doing mostly dunks and close range little hooks made Shaq a lesser player, no, he was dominant and extremely productive. I would say however that I value a display of skills way more than a display of simple physical dominance, and in that sense I find, say, Dirk Nowitzki more fun to watch than Shaq. Or I find Kobe (or Durant) more fun to watch than LeBron. It's skills, footwork, fundamentals, shooting form, variety of moves, etc, what does it for me as a basketball fan. I find it purer. Not saying it's better, because at this level, where getting Ws is all that matters, it's not. But I do find one more worthy of praise than the other, and it's Kobe's footwork, it's Nash's pull-up technique, it's Dirk's release, it's clutchness, it's toughness and playing through injury, it's finetuning and hard work. Not jumping higher and running faster just because you are a superior athlete, or backing people down just because you are bigger and stronger. Fundamentals and skills > athletic build, in terms of what I value the most in basketball as a sport.
(Not saying LeBron's not skilled btw, not even close, he's very skilled in many areas. I do find his game ugly sometimes, I don't like it when he just bullies his way to the hoop and the comentators go like "freight train" and all that. But still, this was more a general thing, not necessarily particulary directed at LBJ.)

There is absolutely no parody in the NBA right now. There are many 2-3 title contenders in the league, and that's a stretch. Who in the east will challenge the Heat? Nobody is worth a damn in the east. In the west, the Thunder are the best but I've never believed in the Thunder, they're just not a legit title contender in my eyes. The Clippers aren't there, the Spurs might look great but they've looked great the past 3-4 years...I just don't believe in them. I can't remember the last time the champ was so clear-cut from day 1. What happened to the NBA?

The new CBA happened. Instead of OKC and Memphis adding more pieces to their contending teams, they had to cut players and replace them with cheaper versions.

The there's us, the new NY Knicks.

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/allstar/2013/02/15/20130215-all-star-lebron-james-interview.nba

It's so funny how pissed he reacts when he's confronted with Kobe being taken over him by MJ