Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby MadMax on Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:52 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:DETROIT 103 LOSTON 83 :man10:

I saw that...haha, sucks for them. By the way, first time i've heard "loston" before... :man10:
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby Magic Skywalker on Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:38 pm

I honestly think what Rondo is doing with the assists is really impressive, but I didn't like one bit that Doc Rivers called a timeout with 1:30 to play with the game completely decided just to draw a play so that Rondo could get his 10th assist and keep the streak alive.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby kenzo on Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:44 am

^ so Lebronesque :man10: I still wonder what would happen if Kobe played in the 4th against Dallas :man1: Guess the MAN is bigger than that :bow:
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:26 am

Rondo is a great passer ... it has been well documented that the Celtpricks home team stats has been inflating his assists numbers for a while though
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby thkthebest on Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:55 am

Magic Skywalker wrote:I honestly think what Rondo is doing with the assists is really impressive, but I didn't like one bit that Doc Rivers called a timeout with 1:30 to play with the game completely decided just to draw a play so that Rondo could get his 10th assist and keep the streak alive.

Up until that point, did you think Rondo's streak was happening naturally?
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby BDG on Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:13 am

abeer3 wrote:i was on record about denver being vastly overrated coming into the season, thank you very much. not sure why everyone thought they'd be worldbeaters. mid-tier playoff team, first round exit. rinse, repeat.
Lack of effort from the Lakers' bigs and poor PG play in last year's playoffs made Denver look much better than they are.

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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby abeer3 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:21 am

yeah, i think it's the melo narrative that drove the overrating of the nuggets. the fans and media want so badly for a) melo to proven a cancer and b) a starless team to contend that they convinced themselves of denver's greatness.

and you're right--the lakers taking their foot off the gas in that series did a lot to feed that perception as well. had they been dispatched in 5 games as they should have been, there would have been less nugget fawning. so, we can thank the big bynbowski for that, too, i suppose.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby FabFourLakers on Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:16 pm

Believe it or not, the Nuggets have the same problem that WE had before we fired that problem a week ago....their coach. My cousin has been a nuggets fan since he was born (he's 32 now), and he has told me that George Karl might be 2nd worst after Mike Brown in terms of ROTATIONS and playing the right players. Here are a couple things you shoudl know about Karl:

1. He LOVES Andre Miller. He absolutely loves him. He even called Andre Miller a top 10 PG of ALL TIME!!!! He will play Andre Miller 30 mpg, and he will often play him and lawson together. This should NEVER happen with the amount of wings they have on their team, and this ultimately has them playing gallo at the 4, which is NOT what you want.

2. He NEVER sets plays for Gallinari, even though he might be their best player down the stretch. I see that Gallo has taken a few steps back this year, but Karl really should have given Gallo more confidence last year and the year before when they first got him. Now, I think that Gallo is what he is....a euro who had potential to be a superstar but coouldn't be one because Karl consistently put him in spots where he COULDN'T succeed.

3. He refuses to play McGee AND Faried at the same time. Every time these 2 are on the court together, good things have happened for the Nuggets. Yes, Bynum said some stupid ish last year which ignited the Nuggs..but if anybody was paying attention, McGee and Faried in there together against Bynum and Gasol created problems for us on both ends. Unfortunately for nuggets fans, Karl would rarely play them together, and when they did play together and good things were happening, he'd take one of them out. VERY frustrating. The reason he'd take one of them out would be to put in somoene like andre miller and shift everybody's positions up by 1. That's where andre miller really hurts you.

4. They had Chandler out in that series against us last year. He would have been another guy that you can throw at Kobe, and he has guarded Kobe fairly well any time they've matched up. However, Karl, once again, doesn't really play Chandler, and that will probably continue this year. Karl doesn't put players in their natural positions where they will be at their best.

5. He overplays Koufos and doesn't play their offseason acquisition Anthony Randolph AT ALL. The few times he's gotten into the game, he has looked REALLY good. Once again, another frustrating part of Karl's rotations...his refusal to play players that when PUT on the court, good things happen.


All in all, DEnver will stay mediocre not because of their roster, but because of Karl. He HAS players that can break out and be stars, but he has held them back because of inconsistent minutes, not puttin them in positions to succeed, and not puttin the right combo of players out on the court at the same time. Lawson has the chance to be a top 5 PG, but Karl needs to stop putting andre miller next to him in crunch time.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby FabFourLakers on Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:51 pm

lakerswiz wrote:Andre Miller is a stud and I would welcome him on this team with arms wide open. I would sweep away the dust in front of him as he walks into the Staples Center.

3rd most popular Nuggets lineup featues JaVale AND Kenneth together.

LOL at Gallinari. 14.6 shots a game for 14 points. 34% field goal shooting. And we blame Karl. Should have seen that one coming.


I would too but not at 30mpg and i wouldn't have him at the 2 spot next to Nash either. Karl is using Miller at the expense of his own explosive pg, Lawson.

3rd most popular? Try most effective. Do you watch Nuggets games at all?

Again, you must not watch Nuggets games. They don't USE gallo in the way that he should be used. Watch him play with the Knicks, and watch him play with the Nuggs. They need to go back to how they used him in NY...give him more pick and roll opportunities. He can create too.

I'm definitely blaming Karl....no doubt about that. Nobody notices how bad of a coach he truly is or has become. Once again, I have a cousin who watches the Nuggets in the same way that we all watch the Lakers. Did anyone in the mainstream media notice how bad Mike Brown's ROTATIONS were? Nope. Only we did. Same case here with my cousin noticing how bad of a coach George Karl really is.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby Aonex on Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:32 pm

Chris Paul still flopping (vs Spurs)... anyone think he'll ever get a warning from the league?
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby Magic Skywalker on Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:30 pm

So Kyrie Irving and Stephen Jackson will miss a month because of a broken finger (pinky for Jackson)...

Kobe does not approve. :disagree:
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:56 pm

Denver surprised Memphis and stops their 8 game streak. Lawson and Iggy had horrible games to boot...

Quietly Chris Kaman is having a nice season so far.... 15 and 7 and he had 18 and 17 in a loss to GS tonight. If he stays healthy and Dirk returns to near normal they might have an interesting front court in the second half....
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby gill on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:03 pm

Grizz got beat on the offensive glass all night long.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby FabFourLakers on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:43 am

lakerswiz wrote:3rd most popular. Stat's don't lie. It is their 3rd most popular lineup. Did you look at the stats at all?

Did anyone in the mainstream media notice how bad Mike Brown's ROTATIONS were? Nope. Only we did.


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Umm do i need to? I watch the GAMES. Stats do not tell the whole truth. When they're on the floor together, they usually make runs, or they are beasting it defensively. I don't need stats to tell me what I'm seeing. Do you just watch box scores and stats to come to your conclusions? If so, that explains A LOT.

And what's with the face? Nobody in mainstream media would complain about Mike Brown's rotations...only we would. Everyone would praise mike brown for being a great "defensive" coach too. Was he great while he was with us? Absolutely not. All I'm saying is...the media are NOT experts on OUR team unless they're watching every single game...which they are not.

Please watch the games, because I watch every damn game (League Pass) that I have a chance to watch. And before you come at me with your sarcastic attitude, check yourself.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby FabFourLakers on Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:43 am

And if I recall you were the one supporting mike brown too right? Saying it was the players faults?

How's that working out for you now? Idiot.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby Finwë on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:24 am

^^ Mike Brown being the biggest problem in our team was just so obvious :man10:
If you failed to see the blatant evidence of his mediocre job as a coach, then nothing I can say or point out will change your mind... One thing that needs to be cleared though is that people weren't asking for his head just because of the record, it wasn't that simple minded.. For example, we did notice the 20 missed FTs, and knew who to blame for that (the players). BUT we also noticed dozens of things Brown did wrong, countless bad decisions, especially with his rotations and schemes. Blatantly and pathetically wrong. That's why we wanted him gone. Not simply because the team was losing, but because of how he was playing guys, how there was NO IMPROVEMENT after the entire pre-season and a couple of weeks of the reg. season, how unconfortable guys looked, how unreliable he seemed as a coach in terms of reactions and adjustments, etc, etc.

But again, I don't expect you to agree with me; if you haven't realized just how bad Brown was by now, maybe it won't happen.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:53 am

lakerswiz wrote:
Finwë wrote:^^ Mike Brown being the biggest problem in our team was just so obvious :man10:
If you failed to see the blatant evidence of his mediocre job as a coach, then nothing I can say or point out will change your mind... One thing that needs to be cleared though is that people weren't asking for his head just because of the record, it wasn't that simple minded.. For example, we did notice the 20 missed FTs, and knew who to blame for that (the players). BUT we also noticed dozens of things Brown did wrong, countless bad decisions, especially with his rotations and schemes. Blatantly and pathetically wrong. That's why we wanted him gone. Not simply because the team was losing, but because of how he was playing guys, how there was NO IMPROVEMENT after the entire pre-season and a couple of weeks of the reg. season, how unconfortable guys looked, how unreliable he seemed as a coach in terms of reactions and adjustments, etc, etc.

But again, I don't expect you to agree with me; if you haven't realized just how bad Brown was by now, maybe it won't happen.

I've never said Mike wasn't a problem. Never said he shouldn't be blamed. But there's been little to no responsibility given to our players. The blame HAS to be shared. This isn't the thread for all of this, but I've never said Brown was a great coach. Never said he was even good. But the lack of people wanting to give ANY responsibility to the players has been staggering.

And I know you noticed most of these issues because you're a smart guy and a great poster, but there were people with outlandish and outright stupid posts. Someone told me we shouldn't be too upset with Dwight's free throw shooting because there are more important things for him to work on in practice. You know, those 15-20 minutes of extra free throw shooting a day that will take up all of our practice time would just hurt us too much.

People were seriously standing by this stuff. That Dwight doesn't have enough time in practice to work on free throws. :man10:

I've never said Brown doesn't deserve any blame. I've never said he was decent. Never said he wasn't crap. I simply wanted to point out how over the top the hate was and how our players deserved just as much, if not more of the blame.

But I don't know why. This will all come around again soon.

Give it a few weeks. It will either be Pau's fault and he'll HAVE TO BE TRADED or Jimmy Buss will be public enemy #1 for hiring Mike Dan Tony.


For the record, Lakerswiz was never a fan of the Brown hiring. Like he said, he just thought the posters started to blame everything on him.

I couldn't stand Brown as coach so I was certainly piling on him. But for me it was always about his coaching - I thought he had the some of the most insane rotations, just nonsensical stuff.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby dj vitus on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:15 pm

lakerswiz wrote:I should be ashamed at trying to get posters to realize where the share of the blame should fall with the players.


There are plenty of threads and posters here that wanted Gasol traded (some still do), Metta amnestied (some still do), Hill and Howard to stop getting stripped every other play, Jamison and Meeks to hit a damn shot, half the bench overturned for KMart/Arenas/name-a-FA-here, Blake to stop touching the ball, and Darius Morris sent to Abu Dhabi.

lakerswiz wrote:They can only have the actual ball in their hands and make the actual decisions on the court.


Yes, the players make the actual decisions, but overall they have to follow the coach's orders most of the time: what plays to run, who guards who, who plays what position, where to find someone in the low post, how to counter the opponent's weaknesses, etc.

Maybe when you played or coached, it wasn't like that as much, but it didn't seem like that with Brown. They were trying to learn the Princeton on the fly, coupled with strange rotations (Blake and Metta at the 2?). Remember Dwight and everyone was saying that it was a "learning process" so they were taking in the loss so they could learn the Princeton.

lakerswiz wrote:Not turning the ball over due to forcing the ball.


Due to learning a new offense instilled by Brown that was gonna take time, as all the players and everyone in the Laker FO said.

lakerswiz wrote:They're playing better as they've gotten more comfortable.


It took 48 hours to right the ship, conveniently after Brown was tossed.

lakerswiz wrote:All of these things were only going to increase with time.


It would have taken a long time, yes. But again they seemed to have got it in just 48 hours.

lakerswiz wrote:When we lost by 10. And missed 20 free throws.


We were down 16 with a minute and a half left. Heck, we were down 16 at halftime, and the Mavs never let it get close until we trolled the scoreboard at the very end.

We got blown out. I'm sure you watched the game. That is what happened.

lakerswiz wrote:And people still blame his coaching for that one. lol. 20 free throws missed.


No one blames Mike Brown for 20 missed free throws. Don't be ridiculous.

Besides, we would not have made all 20 of those misses. Maybe 10 if we wanted to avg 71% for the game. And considering how bad the Mavs made us look with their steals and transition dunks, we still would have lost.

lakerswiz wrote:After 1 game. And people don't think that's an overreaction?


Well if 5 games into the season is still overreacting, then our FO overreacted. You're entitled to your opinion, though. But I think the FO made the absolute right choice.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby Finwë on Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:21 pm

Lakerjones wrote:
lakerswiz wrote:
Finwë wrote:^^ Mike Brown being the biggest problem in our team was just so obvious :man10:
If you failed to see the blatant evidence of his mediocre job as a coach, then nothing I can say or point out will change your mind... One thing that needs to be cleared though is that people weren't asking for his head just because of the record, it wasn't that simple minded.. For example, we did notice the 20 missed FTs, and knew who to blame for that (the players). BUT we also noticed dozens of things Brown did wrong, countless bad decisions, especially with his rotations and schemes. Blatantly and pathetically wrong. That's why we wanted him gone. Not simply because the team was losing, but because of how he was playing guys, how there was NO IMPROVEMENT after the entire pre-season and a couple of weeks of the reg. season, how unconfortable guys looked, how unreliable he seemed as a coach in terms of reactions and adjustments, etc, etc.

But again, I don't expect you to agree with me; if you haven't realized just how bad Brown was by now, maybe it won't happen.

I've never said Mike wasn't a problem. Never said he shouldn't be blamed. But there's been little to no responsibility given to our players. The blame HAS to be shared. This isn't the thread for all of this, but I've never said Brown was a great coach. Never said he was even good. But the lack of people wanting to give ANY responsibility to the players has been staggering.

And I know you noticed most of these issues because you're a smart guy and a great poster, but there were people with outlandish and outright stupid posts. Someone told me we shouldn't be too upset with Dwight's free throw shooting because there are more important things for him to work on in practice. You know, those 15-20 minutes of extra free throw shooting a day that will take up all of our practice time would just hurt us too much.

People were seriously standing by this stuff. That Dwight doesn't have enough time in practice to work on free throws. :man10:

I've never said Brown doesn't deserve any blame. I've never said he was decent. Never said he wasn't crap. I simply wanted to point out how over the top the hate was and how our players deserved just as much, if not more of the blame.

But I don't know why. This will all come around again soon.

Give it a few weeks. It will either be Pau's fault and he'll HAVE TO BE TRADED or Jimmy Buss will be public enemy #1 for hiring Mike Dan Tony.


For the record, Lakerswiz was never a fan of the Brown hiring. Like he said, he just thought the posters started to blame everything on him.

I couldn't stand Brown as coach so I was certainly piling on him. But for me it was always about his coaching - I thought he had the some of the most insane rotations, just nonsensical stuff.

Thanks for the clarification on both accounts, lakerswiz and Lakerjones. I would agree that Brown wasn't the only one who should've been blamed, and that the players deserved their share of it. I still think Brown was our biggest problem though.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby Scnottaken on Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:26 pm

I just think maybe some people felt kind of insulted that you assumed they didn't notice those things, wiz. I bet most people noticed, but you have to focus on the larger problem, which was Brown.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby gill on Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:29 pm

Raptors found another way to lose. Good talent... crappy coach... sound familiar?
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby GoldenChocobo on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:09 pm

Judas is about to win a close game for the Heat.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby GoldenChocobo on Sat Nov 24, 2012 8:13 pm

Cleveland's strategy in crunch time is Pargo-iso :freak2:
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby dj vitus on Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:58 pm

Wow, Ryan Anderson with 8 three-pointers yesterday for 34 points and 11 boards. Dude is killing it in NO.
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Re: Other NBA Games Discussion 2012-2013 Edition

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:21 am

Heat can coast all season long ... this Leastern Conference is so weak ... I know it will never happen but the league should change this East-West thing to balance things out .. the Least has been so bad for nearly 15 years
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