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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Weezy on Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:24 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Uncle Drew wrote:Pau is ranked as 29. best player in NBA by BSPN, that's a huge drop from last year when he was at number 15, but this is new healthy year, he is way better than that, he can prove that.

Pau Gasol is one of five players in NBA history to average at least 13 points, seven rebounds and two assists per game in each of their first 12 seasons. The other four are Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Elgin Baylor, Tim Duncan and Chris Webber.


What does the last 12 years have to do with this season, his expiring contract and the fact he's going to be a free agent next year have to do with anything. He's a HOF Center based on that 12 years. He's one of the most skilled bigs to every play but he's also our only trade asset that can help the Lakers return to where we should be. To not investigate any and all opportunities to trade him for the future based on what he's done in the past is not the smartest thing we've done.

If, by some chance, we can land a guy like Rondo or another guy of that quality we have to do it IMHO.


I don't see why Boston would give us Rondo for Pau unless they know Rondo will never be the same or something, even for a 19 mil expiring. If they would of course I do it. I think Rondo is in a PG class by himself though, because of his defense and playmaking skills, so I can't think of anyone of "the same quality" we could trade Pau for, unless you mean a guy of a different position. I do think exploring trades for Pau is smarter than just letting him and everyone expire and having like 2 guys under contract though. Smarter than praying we sign big name free agents, AND Kobe takes a pay cut, AND everyone who plays well this season signs back on for cheap again instead of going and getting paid and cashing in on good seasons though. If we can't get useful players for him oh well at least they tried, but it has to be smart to look, though I still don't see him being traded.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:52 pm

Weezy wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Uncle Drew wrote:Pau is ranked as 29. best player in NBA by BSPN, that's a huge drop from last year when he was at number 15, but this is new healthy year, he is way better than that, he can prove that.

Pau Gasol is one of five players in NBA history to average at least 13 points, seven rebounds and two assists per game in each of their first 12 seasons. The other four are Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Elgin Baylor, Tim Duncan and Chris Webber.


What does the last 12 years have to do with this season, his expiring contract and the fact he's going to be a free agent next year have to do with anything. He's a HOF Center based on that 12 years. He's one of the most skilled bigs to every play but he's also our only trade asset that can help the Lakers return to where we should be. To not investigate any and all opportunities to trade him for the future based on what he's done in the past is not the smartest thing we've done.

If, by some chance, we can land a guy like Rondo or another guy of that quality we have to do it IMHO.


I don't see why Boston would give us Rondo for Pau unless they know Rondo will never be the same or something, even for a 19 mil expiring. If they would of course I do it. I think Rondo is in a PG class by himself though, because of his defense and playmaking skills, so I can't think of anyone of "the same quality" we could trade Pau for, unless you mean a guy of a different position. I do think exploring trades for Pau is smarter than just letting him and everyone expire and having like 2 guys under contract though. Smarter than praying we sign big name free agents, AND Kobe takes a pay cut, AND everyone who plays well this season signs back on for cheap again instead of going and getting paid and cashing in on good seasons though. If we can't get useful players for him oh well at least they tried, but it has to be smart to look, though I still don't see him being traded.


My guess, and it don't have anything other than speculation, is that Boston would broker Pau to a contender to get picks and young players. That matches their recent MO.

When Rondo is motivated he's great but there is another side to him. Maybe, like Bynum, he has worn out his welcome.

In any event, I don't think it's far fetched that we trade Pau if the right deal comes along. As I've said before, FA isn't going to rebuild this team alone and paying retail when you can trade for and draft better value is putting a lot of faith in the "brand" that may not be there.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby karacha on Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:59 pm

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I agree with Roo here. Rondo is probably going to be dealt because he has worn out his welcome. If he can come back healthy, he's a force. He's a unique PG, because he can score (although he's not a good shooter), plays the best D at the 1 in the league, rebounds the ball better then some SFs, and just plain elevates his game in the playoffs and is able to carry the team. He's a very intelligent player too. So, I would do this deal.

Pau is our ticket to getting younger and jump starting this process of rebuilding. I think we've found some nice pieces already; just have to wait and see them in the regular season. But we might be able to keep some pieces -- cheap, get Rondo, and a younger big a la Love -- and there you have a young, athletic contender with fantastic chemistry. It can happen, and I do believe that Mitch is going to find the right deal. Even if we help Boston in the process. I don't mind at all. They are rebuilding too, and might be willing to flip Pau's contract in the East. Some team can certainly use Pau's skills at the center position. He's still good, don't get me wrong. He just does not feat the direction of our team right now.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Center Court on Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:27 pm

^^^ Boston is playing it smart (considering their situation) and going all in for Wiggins. If they trade Rondo, it's not important to get cap relief.. they know they have no chance of Melo or LeBron. They will want all kinds of picks and a young player or 2 for Rondo. Build a couple years through the draft then go after big time free agents once a core of rookies are in place

Pau for Rondo is not happening. I think Boston has a very good shot at Wiggins and why not try and pair Rondo with Wiggins or other picks in place of Rondo.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:06 pm

Center Court wrote:^^^ Boston is playing it smart (considering their situation) and going all in for Wiggins. If they trade Rondo, it's not important to get cap relief.. they know they have no chance of Melo or LeBron. They will want all kinds of picks and a young player or 2 for Rondo. Build a couple years through the draft then go after big time free agents once a core of rookies are in place

Pau for Rondo is not happening. I think Boston has a very good shot at Wiggins and why not try and pair Rondo with Wiggins or other picks in place of Rondo.


^^ Don't kill our dream, man! :man6:
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Center Court on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:27 pm

Lakerjones wrote:
Center Court wrote:^^^ Boston is playing it smart (considering their situation) and going all in for Wiggins. If they trade Rondo, it's not important to get cap relief.. they know they have no chance of Melo or LeBron. They will want all kinds of picks and a young player or 2 for Rondo. Build a couple years through the draft then go after big time free agents once a core of rookies are in place

Pau for Rondo is not happening. I think Boston has a very good shot at Wiggins and why not try and pair Rondo with Wiggins or other picks in place of Rondo.


^^ Don't kill our dream, man!


If it makes the situation any better, I firmly believe Rondo and Love will be Lakers in 2015. 2016: Durant.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:42 pm

Center Court wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
Center Court wrote:^^^ Boston is playing it smart (considering their situation) and going all in for Wiggins. If they trade Rondo, it's not important to get cap relief.. they know they have no chance of Melo or LeBron. They will want all kinds of picks and a young player or 2 for Rondo. Build a couple years through the draft then go after big time free agents once a core of rookies are in place

Pau for Rondo is not happening. I think Boston has a very good shot at Wiggins and why not try and pair Rondo with Wiggins or other picks in place of Rondo.


^^ Don't kill our dream, man!


If it makes the situation any better, I firmly believe Rondo and Love will be Lakers in 2015. 2016: Durant.


Now we're talking Center Court! :jam2: :bow: :man9:
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:26 pm

The days of getting quality players in return for Pau are long gone ... that's why not trading him back then at the 2012 deadline was a huge mistake

Celtics would want young assets + picks for Rondo .

Plus if Boston did Rondo for Pau , there is doubt they would get rid of one of their bad contracts in the process ( Lee/Bass/Wallace/Green) ...
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Toklat on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:12 am

I love Rondo, he is my favorite non laker. It is a crime he is where he is. But I really want to see Kaman and Pau play together. Pau is going to be great this year. MD said so..lol this is going to be his best season. A healthy Pau in the post will be great to see. Pau will be better than people think just like our team is looking better than most thought. No trading Pau till we see how this works.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby therealdeal on Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:42 am

Center Court wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
Center Court wrote:^^^ Boston is playing it smart (considering their situation) and going all in for Wiggins. If they trade Rondo, it's not important to get cap relief.. they know they have no chance of Melo or LeBron. They will want all kinds of picks and a young player or 2 for Rondo. Build a couple years through the draft then go after big time free agents once a core of rookies are in place

Pau for Rondo is not happening. I think Boston has a very good shot at Wiggins and why not try and pair Rondo with Wiggins or other picks in place of Rondo.


^^ Don't kill our dream, man!


If it makes the situation any better, I firmly believe Rondo and Love will be Lakers in 2015. 2016: Durant.

I don't firmly believe in Rondo/Love, but I do think it's a strong possibility. As for Durant... that's a long shot at best.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:36 am

Center Court wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
Center Court wrote:^^^ Boston is playing it smart (considering their situation) and going all in for Wiggins. If they trade Rondo, it's not important to get cap relief.. they know they have no chance of Melo or LeBron. They will want all kinds of picks and a young player or 2 for Rondo. Build a couple years through the draft then go after big time free agents once a core of rookies are in place

Pau for Rondo is not happening. I think Boston has a very good shot at Wiggins and why not try and pair Rondo with Wiggins or other picks in place of Rondo.


^^ Don't kill our dream, man!


If it makes the situation any better, I firmly believe Rondo and Love will be Lakers in 2015. 2016: Durant.


Now we know who was with Lamar during his binge. :man10:
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:39 am

Toklat wrote:I love Rondo, he is my favorite non laker. It is a crime he is where he is. But I really want to see Kaman and Pau play together. Pau is going to be great this year. MD said so..lol this is going to be his best season. A healthy Pau in the post will be great to see. Pau will be better than people think just like our team is looking better than most thought. No trading Pau till we see how this works.


We have more leverage now in a Pau trade.... at least with a team that is not going anywhere this season like Boston. If they can get Pau now they can "flip" him at the deadline for the assets they really want.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby John3:16 on Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:47 am

Owners think differently than us fans. They see a way to unload $20 million in contracts, so they'll package some players for Gasol's expiring contract. Of course, we hope to get a serviceable player in return. Think back to the Shaq trade. We got 2 good players, but not all-stars (Odom / Butler) and the proverbial bad contract (Grant). Will we get 2 starters for Gasol? No. But we should get 1. It's not the player they are trading for. It's the expiring contract.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:15 pm

John3:16 wrote:Owners think differently than us fans. They see a way to unload $20 million in contracts, so they'll package some players for Gasol's expiring contract. Of course, we hope to get a serviceable player in return. Think back to the Shaq trade. We got 2 good players, but not all-stars (Odom / Butler) and the proverbial bad contract (Grant). Will we get 2 starters for Gasol? No. But we should get 1. It's not the player they are trading for. It's the expiring contract.


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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby revgen on Wed Oct 16, 2013 1:15 pm

I just don't buy the Pau for Rondo idea. I don't see Boston doing it. And if we're going to bring Rondo in, we're going to have to send Nash out. Nash is not a bench player. He needs starters minutes to keep his body warm. And I don't see Rondo being pleased with coming off the bench either. Perhaps he'll do it for a vet like Nash, but I don't see him being comfortable in the role. So where do we trade Nash to? And whom for? It's not as simple as just sending Pau out and bringing Rondo in.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby lakersin4 on Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:52 pm

Any Pau for Rondo trade would have to be us sending Pau to a 3rd team that gives up a young piece or pieces Boston wants or picks from a bad team.. If Pau comes out playing like he should without Kobe & without another established post player, his value should easily net that.. Rondo also makes alot less than Pau so hopefully we'd get some good pieces with him, no doubt long contracts, but we can take them with practically everyone else expiring.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Center Court on Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:01 pm

maybe if Horford and Atlanta continue this falling out of sorts, he can be a deadline deal for Pau?
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:53 pm

Center Court wrote:maybe if Horford and Atlanta continue this falling out of sorts, he can be a deadline deal for Pau?

I would be thrilled if ATL would ever think of such a thing. I love Horford's game.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Center Court on Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:21 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:
Center Court wrote:maybe if Horford and Atlanta continue this falling out of sorts, he can be a deadline deal for Pau?

I would be thrilled if ATL would ever think of such a thing. I love Horford's game.



I''m just thinking out loud but it seems like often times a complete surprise comes out of left field and IMO Horford is getting frustrated in being in the middle of a rebuild. Maybe Atlanta looks at it as a opportunity to create more capspace in preparation of 2014 and 2015.

Then again, they won't be attracting superstars via FA so they may just know it's best to hold onto whatever talent they have.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby SK8 on Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:26 am

16pts 7reb 4ast 1bs for 25 minutes and he wasn't even trying hard. Looking promising, love it :jam2:
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:09 am

^^^ Whoa whoa..... you can't talk any smack about how good Pau is looking.....this thread is now for everyone who just can't wait to see him traded or gone and talking about THAT. Tread carefully. :man12:
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:22 am

He looked tired out there for the most part. I'd like to see a more motivated Pau. Some of the shots around the basket should have gone in, but he wasn't really focusing enough.
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby purp n gold on Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:32 pm

Doubt C's even think of dealing Rondo to us.

Pau for Kevin Love for the umpteenth time?
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby Johnnyboy on Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:19 pm

Pau for aldridge >>>>Pau for love
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Re: Pau Discussion: still on the trading block (375)

Postby purp n gold on Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:51 pm

I tend to think that Pau's value (at this point of his career) is not equal to a player like Love or Aldridge. Portland would laugh in our face. I say Minny at least considers a Pau-for-Love package because of the Spaniard connection. I know for some Americans it sounds ridiculous, but in international sports, players value playing with fellow countrymen.

And I also think the hometown-kid could probably pull a few strings if he really wanted to be a Laker.
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