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Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:12 pm

@ Doc and @ Chill

I know, but that's weird right? Everyone and their mothers is calling this a done deal, but I feel like that's all part of the ruse. Everyone also agrees that it doesn't make much sense for Phil. The job he's going for is probably the hardest job in the NBA: fixing the Knicks. He has no work experience in this role. He has to be with Dolan. It's not in Los Angeles with his wife. He has to be with Dolan. He has to do all of the mundane tasks that he's not really known for doing. And he has to be with Dolan.

It's really not a great fit and the papers aren't signed yet. I still feel like this is him trying to hardball the Lakers.
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Re: PHIL JACKSON With the Knicks by End of the Week? Pg. 3

Postby pound4pound1 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:21 pm

therealdeal wrote:@ Doc and @ Chill

I know, but that's weird right? Everyone and their mothers is calling this a done deal, but I feel like that's all part of the ruse. Everyone also agrees that it doesn't make much sense for Phil. The job he's going for is probably the hardest job in the NBA: fixing the Knicks. He has no work experience in this role. He has to be with Dolan. It's not in Los Angeles with his wife. He has to be with Dolan. He has to do all of the mundane tasks that he's not really known for doing. And he has to be with Dolan.

It's really not a great fit and the papers aren't signed yet. I still feel like this is him trying to hardball the Lakers.



i would laugh so hard if Phil's first move this summer is NOT giving Melo a contract offer LOL
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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:27 pm

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Chillbongo wrote:Roo, it's not about the literal aspect of Phil in the FO as it is the symbolic aspect. Us not snagging him explains to a larger degree the dysfunction of our FO. I agree he wouldn't turn the franchise inside out with his savvy VP skills...but that's the least of our worries.

Bringing in Phil would appease Kobe, appeal to free agents, and make it appear that we had some degree of order. It would also look like we had a plan. Now it just looks like brother & sister couldn't agree on doing what's good for the family.

IMO our free agent appeal just got worse. Not because of the literal lack of Phil....for what it IMPLIES.

The decision making has been erratic, to say the least. Although I applaud Mitch for his work and agree Jim has made some good personnel moves in theory....Mitch is a "yes man" to Jim, and Jim's coaching decisions have been short of putrid.



Couldn't agree with you more!


A guy being here 4 or 5 years isn't' a long term answer IMHO. Attracting Free Agents is only a very small part of the problem here. Getting under the cap enough to get them is.

I've said this quite a few times and I'll try again. We have on one on this roster that will be here the next time we're a legitimate contender…. no one. We have traded future picks, have no assets to trade and no young players anyone else wants for more than second round picks. We can get a couple top level FA in the next two years….. so what? Even if we signed LeBron and Love (pipe of all pipes) in the next 2 off seasons we still would surround them with utter crap league minimum contracts and this year's first round pick and have no front court, bench or PG. Now before someone tells me that we can resign our guys we have now….. remember that we'd have to jettison all of them and go with one year guys again and again to make that happen. In the mean time how do you lure the max contract this offseason without the certainty of the next off seasons acquisition? We are not attractive to any top level FA who is available with or without Phil Jackson. The personnel we have and the ability to surround them with a team capable in the next 5 years is what the issue is….. not the guy on the cover of the Media Guide.

As much as we'd all like a wand waving "feel good" 2 year avenue back to the top….. it's so remote that bringing in a 70 year old guy who won't be here very long isn't the "deciding factor" IMVHO…..
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Re: PHIL JACKSON With the Knicks by End of the Week? Pg. 3

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:29 pm

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@KamBrothers: There’s gotta be a part of Phil thinking, “Holy crap! Jim’s not gonna cave and I’m gonna end up working for f------ Dolan!” AK


Ha.

@lazenby: Phil's NY deal crimps his relationship with @JeanieBuss. My guess is, none of us should pencil him in as the Knicks' main guy just yet.


Oh Lazenby, always ranting about Phil, don't even know what to think anymore.


The Phil drama already at play in NY…… :man10:
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Postby kenzo on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:40 pm

Phil wants control. Would you let him run things over Mitch? His name can attract FA's but at the same time Phil can be a PITA. Him fighting Dolan is inevitable.
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Re: PHIL JACKSON With the Knicks by End of the Week? Pg. 3

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:51 pm

I still get the feeling that the Lakers want him in A role, but the role that we as fans all have envisioned for him. They want him to be a voice in the room, not THE ONLY voice in the room.

If you hire Phil to the position that he's supposedly getting in New York, then is Mitch gone? Phil becomes Mitch's boss and maybe Mitch doesn't fit Phil's plans. How loyal does Phil stay to Kobe? Does he stay so loyal that he sacrifices any semblance of a future for him?

I know we're all ready to bash on the Lakers for this move if it happens, but this is on Phil too. He wants more control and he wants more money. I'm guessing the Lakers wouldn't be opposed to him having SOME role in the operations, but not the role that he actually wants.
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Re: PHIL JACKSON With the Knicks by End of the Week? Pg. 3

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:15 pm

Phil has been saying all along he wants what Riles and the Logo have....which is pretty much non day-to-day activity and only being consulted with major transactions.

I'm sure he will help in selecting coaching/direction and then have a major say in any major player transactions. I don't think Phil has any intention in doing what a GM would do. He's not interested in a day-to-day grind...at least that is how I''m reading most of these reports.

And again, it may sound like I'm bashing Mitch...for the most part he's a good GM, but I think his time is coming to an end. There's a new landscape in the NBA and Mitch has an old-school mentality.
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Re: PHIL JACKSON With the Knicks by End of the Week? Pg. 3

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:30 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Phil has been saying all along he wants what Riles and the Logo have....which is pretty much non day-to-day activity and only being consulted with major transactions.

I'm sure he will help in selecting coaching/direction and then have a major say in any major player transactions. I don't think Phil has any intention in doing what a GM would do. He's not interested in a day-to-day grind...at least that is how I''m reading most of these reports.

And again, it may sound like I'm bashing Mitch...for the most part he's a great GM, but I think his time is coming to an end. There's a new landscape in the NBA and Mitch has an old-school mentality.

I completely disagree about Mitch Kupchak, he's one of the best GMs in the business, but that point aside-

I don't think Phil WANTS to do those things, but it's in his job description. As President of Basketball Operations you've got to oversee scouting, you've got to oversee roster development, etc. etc. That's all HIS responsibility. That doesn't mean he can't delegate tasks and hire a GM to suit his needs and whatnot, but it still falls under his umbrella. Those reports still land no his desk.

If he really was okay with just being a consultant, then he'd already be with the Lakers I'm almost certain of that. There's no reason why he shouldn't be and in a lot of ways I'm guessing that the Laker organization thought of him as a consultant of sorts. In fact it's my understanding that he holds some sort of unofficial job within the organization like that. A friendly adviser type of role that he certainly doesn't get paid for.

And as for wanting Riley's and West's position, if that's true then he better start wanting to go to the small things because you can bet your butt Riley and West do that. West goes to D-League games and scouts guys from high school. He does ALL the dirty work. Riley is probably pretty similar to that.
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Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:56 pm

West commutes to the Bay Area 2x a month.

I agree that Phil will have a responsibility with a "president" role, but he won't have to do the day-to-day grind type stuff you're referring to.

And with Mitch, bad contracts aside, what has he shown you if his wand isn't loaded with 1st rounders? Has he gotten in the way when Jimmy wants to hire another coach? What were his public comments when his protege, Ronnie Lester, was unceremoniously canned?

I'm sorry, Mitch is good, but not great...and there are some indications that he is not aware or comfortable with the new NBA landscape.
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Re: PHIL JACKSON With the Knicks by End of the Week? Pg. 3

Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:09 pm

Vasash I'm not getting into the Mitch argument again, I'm just not. For whatever reason you've let him get on your **** list and that's fine, but he's not on mine. The man works his butt off and has done an exemplary job. He's made moves that no one saw coming and he's done it with great skill. You don't like him, that's fine, but I'm not going to argue his merit with you man.

As for Phil vs. West: West doesn't have to go up to the bay area every day to scout, which he absolutely does. And where did you get your info on how often he's there? AND how often would Phil be in New York? Probably less than twice a month. Can you imagine a man his age with his physical limitations making that flight twice a month? Brutal. And of course he does have to do those things. He doesn't have to sit through every scouting session and he doesn't have to watch every D-League game, but he has to go to some scouting sessions and some D-League games. He's got to make a ton of decisions even if he does delegate tasks. Do you think Riley just sits up there making a few decisions a week? No of course not, he's got his fingerprints all over that franchise. Things run through him and that's what Phil would be signing up for? In New York? I just don't buy it being a good fit.

In LA maybe it works because Phil can sit at a desk in the comfortable weather, in comfortable surroundings, near his comfortable significant other. But even then, I don't see him taking on the massive project that being a full President is with glee. I don't see him tackling this thing with the fervor that it demands. He would be good in a complimentary role, the one most of us have been calling for that consists of 3 main voices that make decisions, but not as the czar of the organization. I just don't see that being a comfortable situation for him.
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Re: PHIL JACKSON With the Knicks by End of the Week? Pg. 3

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:23 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:
And again, it may sound like I'm bashing Mitch...for the most part he's a good GM, but I think his time is coming to an end. There's a new landscape in the NBA and Mitch has an old-school mentality.


This….

As for the "reports" of Phil wanting a consulting role…. where are these reports? Why has Woj reported he wants total control in NY? Seems like two completely different things. Does he want to only take credit for the good in LA and avoid the bad (that's what consultants do…. I'm one... :man12: ) and maybe in NY they want him held responsible so he wants all control…..
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Re: PHIL JACKSON With the Knicks by End of the Week? Pg. 3

Postby Vasashi17 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:40 pm

Over the past month, Jackson has told close friends that his ideal job would be similar to one Jerry West holds with the Golden State Warriors. West serves as a consultant and takes approximately two trips each month from his home in the Los Angeles area to Oakland.

Jackson is said to have little interest in moving to New York full-time and running the day-to-day operations of the club. Jackson spends most of the year in Playa Del Rey in Southern California and on his ranch in Montana. It is unclear if Dolan will insist that Jackson live in the New York area during the season and whether Jackson would be amenable to such an agreement.

Jackson’s plan could include him hiring a general manager to run the day-to-day business while Jackson serves as the final decision maker — along with Dolan, of course. Mills would maintain a role with the club if Jackson joins the Knicks, the source indicated.


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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:00 pm

Daily news?… isn't that Vescey's paper?
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:15 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:
Over the past month, Jackson has told close friends that his ideal job would be similar to one Jerry West holds with the Golden State Warriors. West serves as a consultant and takes approximately two trips each month from his home in the Los Angeles area to Oakland.

Jackson is said to have little interest in moving to New York full-time and running the day-to-day operations of the club. Jackson spends most of the year in Playa Del Rey in Southern California and on his ranch in Montana. It is unclear if Dolan will insist that Jackson live in the New York area during the season and whether Jackson would be amenable to such an agreement.

Jackson’s plan could include him hiring a general manager to run the day-to-day business while Jackson serves as the final decision maker — along with Dolan, of course. Mills would maintain a role with the club if Jackson joins the Knicks, the source indicated.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/bill-assists-zen-dolan-solicits-bradley-broker-jackson-deal-article-1.1718455

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Postby Aonex on Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:15 pm

You guys read the article on ESPN by Henry Abbott? I mean, I couldn't stand the guy already, but his hatred for Phil and his weak column just made me laugh at how pathetic he is.

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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:51 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 1m
Knicks have announced a Tuesday news conference to introduce Phil Jackson as new top basketball executive.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:12 pm

OK so now we can move on from the Bring Back Phil stuff and work on getting rid of Mike for someone who is committed long term
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Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:14 pm

^^^Nah.. that part comes later.

Right now is the "ish on the Lakers FO every chance you get" part.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:46 pm

^True indeed.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:45 am

So.... Kobe to the Knicks for a few players and 3 firsts?........ :man1:
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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:16 pm

Phil Jackson reportedly will earn around $12 million per year with Knicks

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The Knicks have announced a Tuesday morning press conference at the Garden during which they will announce the hiring of Phil Jackson as team president, bringing his Hall of Fame career full circle as he looks to win his third championship ring as a Knick.

Jackson’s Chicago-based agent, Todd Musburger, and Knicks officials, including James Dolan lieutenant Barry Watkins, were in Los Angeles with the former Lakers coach to sign the contracts Friday, according to a source. A source confirmed an ESPN.com report Jackson will be paid approximately $12 million per year. The report also said the deal’s length is five years, which would make it worth about $60 million.

“But he’s not doing it for the money,’’ one Jackson confidant said.

During Jackson’s coaching negotiations with the Lakers last season that fell apart, he asked for $12 million a year. He made $12 million in his second-to-last season coaching the Lakers in 2009-10, but took a “pay cut’’ to $10 million in 2010-11, his final season.



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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:03 pm

12 million a year..... but it's not about the money..... :man10:

5 years.... that's about what I thought. Rebuilding for the long term is not easily done in 5 years.... especially with someone with as unique a vision of the game as Phil. No easy transition to the "next guy".

We'll see if he can wash the stink off that team. My guess is that until Miami disbands NY will never make it back to the finals no matter who is on the floor.
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Postby davriver290 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 5:37 pm

holy crap, Phil Jackson has a 70 winning percentage. That's so freaking high. Jesus christ, didn't realize it was that high.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:25 am

Well then good luck Phil. :jam2:

Have fun hanging with Dolan. Let us know how that goes.
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Postby pound4pound1 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:13 pm

therealdeal wrote:Well then good luck Phil. :jam2:

Have fun hanging with Dolan. Let us know how that goes.



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