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Re: Hawks Offered Josh Smith Three-Year, $45M Extension (Pg. 5)

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:04 pm

That actually made me laugh but
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Re: Hawks Offered Josh Smith Three-Year, $45M Extension (Pg. 5)

Postby abeer3 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:02 pm

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therealdeal wrote:Interesting.

I just don't see Smith making that kind of bank in other cities. Where else is he going to get paid like that AND be part of a good team? There's not many teams this summer with money to spare.


you sure about that? i think lots of teams have cash this summer. my quick count says at least 16 teams should have something more than 10 million to spend. granted, several of these teams probably need to retain their own guys, but still...there's money to be had. with smith being one of the top free agents available, you'd think he'd have a good shot at getting paid big.

I meant teams willing to give him 3/45 million type of money. How many of the 16 teams want Smith at that price? If you can name 5 teams that want him and that would be a good/better fit than Atlanta I'll be surprised.


i'll get back to you, but yes, i think i can name five teams who would go 3/45 for smith. houston and dallas are among them.

as for fearing houston: meh. i think they have a hole at pf, and this is a good year for that with millsap and smith on the market. but i don't think either really puts them over the top. people need to credit mchale for committing to a system from day one that worked with their talent (he's like the anti-d'antoni).

i don't think simply adding more talent will help them in a purely additive fashion. i think they're about as good as they can be barring a philosophical shift. short of getting howard, houston is doomed to mediocrity (or worse if nba officials get wise to harden's antics).
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Re: Hawks Offered Josh Smith Three-Year, $45M Extension (Pg. 5)

Postby therealdeal on Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:45 pm

I don't know that you could get five that can afford it, want him, and offer a better climate for him (winning, etc.)

I think the two you mentioned are the main ones.
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Josh Smith Wants To Explore Options In Free Agency

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sat May 04, 2013 12:41 pm

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By Jeff Schultz - The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

When the cameras were on and media members stood two-deep around his locker, Josh Smith said what he was expected to say. He stunk, his team stunk and he hadn’t hadn’t even had time to think yet about whether his Hawks’ career was over or impending free agency because the season had just ended.

When the cameras were turned off and almost everybody, Josh Smith said what he really thought. Of course he knew this was probably it.

“As I walked off the court, everything just sort of hit me,” the Hawks’ forward said late Friday night. “Just the uncertainty of what the future holds. Just thinking about all of the relationships I’ve had here and the people who’ve crossed my path since I’ve been here. I just … I just don’t know.”

Does he want to come back?

“The only thing I know is I want to be able to experience free agency. I want to explore my options and see what’s out there. I don’t have any certain idea what’s going to happen.”

He didn’t sound like a guy eager to return. The fact most in attendance Friday night didn’t sound eager for him to be back — screaming the usual “Nooooooooos!” when he pulled up for jumpers and booed when he missed — speaks volumes about the situation.

The Hawks’ season ended Friday night. They lost 81-73 to the Indiana Pacers, losing the best-of-seven playoff series in six games.

There is no shortage of reasons why they’re done. Sharing dishonors at the top of the list: a one-basket/nine-point second quarter, a 15-minute stretch of the second and third quarter without a field goal going through the basket (the only hoop coming on a goaltending call) and the Hawks collectively shooting 33.3 percent.

The Hawks should have played like a desperate team. Instead, they just played like a defeated team. They were being blown out and booed in Philips Arena – which was only two-thirds filled, even if the Pinocchios in marketing and ownership called it a sellout – until coming to life in the last six minutes. (Too late.)

But the worst of the worse was Smith, and he knew it. If this was Smith’s final game as a Hawk – and that’s the guess here – it was as ugly of an ending as Chipper Jones’ final game with the Braves.

The difference: Jones didn’t get booed and slid into retirement as a franchise icon. Smith slides into free agency still a polarizing figure after nine seasons in Atlanta.

He shot five for 16 on a 14-point night, four-turnover night. He took the Hawks’ first shot of the night (a missed 22-footer). He missed seven of his first eight attempts. He threw away two passes in the first two and a half minutes of the second quarter.

With only 43 seconds left and Indiana leading 78-73, Smith fired up a three-point attempt (“Nooooo!”) that was partially blocked by David West.

Game over.

Smith and his defense against Paul George was the biggest reason the Hawks won two games in this series. He scored 29 points in Game 4. But he scored only 14 points in each of the next two games and shot a combined 10 for 32.

How much Smith’s shooting was because of poor decision making — the fans’ vote — and how much could be attributed to health reasons is uncertain. Smith conceded that the sprained ankle he suffered late in Game 2 bothered him the remainder of the series and hindered his ability to drive to the basket.

But that doesn’t explain everything. “My shot just wasn’t going,” he said.

Hawks coach Larry Drew, who has his own future to worry about, defended Smith.

“As a team, we didn’t do a good job with our shot selection. We settled. It wasn’t just Josh Smith,” he said.

“Josh Smith, we need to remember, while a lot of people talk about his shot selection, he brings a lot of other things to the table. His effort against an All-Star, Paul George, was absolutely phenomenal. Josh is a versatile guy. He brings a lot to the table.”

The backdrop suggests he’ll be bringing all aspects of his game, both positive and negative, to another team’s table next season. Smith is worn down being the lightning rod in Atlanta whenever something goes wrong with this team. He has been for a while.

Forget Smith previous comments about viewing himself as a max money player. If another team offers anything close to what the Hawks offer, Smith almost certainly will be gone.

Asked what he would say to fans to if this was his final game, Smith said, “If this was it, I’ll say something when it happens.”

I’m expecting that to happen. And it’s safe to say this wasn’t the way he wanted to go out.


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Re: Josh Smith Wants To Explore Options In Free Agency (Pg. 6)

Postby keyindabox on Sun May 05, 2013 7:15 am

No one is gonna give him max money....at least he shouldn't get it I think.
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Re: Josh Smith Wants To Explore Options In Free Agency (Pg. 6)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun May 05, 2013 10:35 am

^^nope he shouldn't get it for his performance, but he probably will because he can dunk and bring people in. He's fools gold for a team that has any post season hopes.
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Re: Josh Smith Wants To Explore Options In Free Agency (Pg. 6)

Postby abeer3 on Sun May 05, 2013 7:17 pm

yes, that's what my earlier comments were about. lots of money out there, very few really good players available. smith will get paid. maybe not max, but close enough for a wtf.
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Re: Josh Smith Wants To Explore Options In Free Agency (Pg. 6)

Postby XXIV on Sun May 05, 2013 7:53 pm

abeer3 wrote:yes, that's what my earlier comments were about. lots of money out there, very few really good players available. smith will get paid. maybe not max, but close enough for a wtf.


Especially smaller markets who have trouble recruiting bigger talents. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he got the max considering what some other players have received recently.
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Re: Josh Smith Wants To Explore Options In Free Agency (Pg. 6)

Postby JSM on Mon May 06, 2013 8:47 pm

I think he'll get the max. He doesn't care where he goes, he wants cash. Small teams will see him as a seat filler.
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Re: Josh Smith Wants To Explore Options In Free Agency (Pg. 6)

Postby strikemode14 on Wed May 15, 2013 8:18 am

JSM wrote:I think he'll get the max. He doesn't care where he goes, he wants cash. Small teams will see him as a seat filler.


If he gets max money I will be disgusted in the nba...IMHO he maybe a step above an in prime lamar odom and I honestly think odom has superior talent.
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Re: Josh Smith Wants To Explore Options In Free Agency (Pg. 6)

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed May 15, 2013 9:56 am

mini-MLE josh. then wait for 2014. :man1:

but you still won't get max. :man10:
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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smit (Pg. 6)

Postby Kobe8Fan on Fri May 17, 2013 12:30 pm

Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smith

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The Atlanta Hawks enter the offseason with Josh Smith's free agency amongst their most pressing issues.

The Hawks will likely seek sign-and-trade packages involving Smith in order to receive assets in return.

The Hawks also have cap space and are expected to pursue Dwight Howard.

Smith will be an unrestricted free agent.


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Celtics Have Plan For Josh Smith Sign-And-Trade Deal?

Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Jun 25, 2013 11:58 am

Celtics Have Plan For Josh Smith Sign-And-Trade Deal?

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By Scott Schroeder on Jun 25 2013, 1:48p

Josh Smith could move to the Boston Celtics in a sign-and-trade deal once NBA free agency begins, according to Sean Deveney from Sporting News. The Celtics would only be able to bring Smith in if they're able to create a trade exception by moving Paul Pierce, though.

Despite being in the process of rebuilding, Boston isn't scheduled to have a ton of room for free-agent signings this summer. If the Celtics are able to net a trade exception by sending Pierce -- who is owed $15 million if not bought out for $5 million by the end of the week -- to a team that can take on his salary, however, it'd open more room for the Celtics to trade for a big name like Smith.

And, according to our friends over at CelticsBlog, the fan base wouldn't mind seeing Smith move to the Celtics:

Last summer, he joined the Celtics in L.A. for pre-season workouts, due mainly to his friendship with Rajon Rondo. He's a pogo stick in a bull's body, but the biggest question is whether or not he's a franchise player. His shot selection leaves a little to be desired, but paired with a pass-first PG, that could definitely change in Boston. If KG decides to close out his career in green, he could do wonders tutoring Smoove in the Celtic way.


Deveney reports that the two teams most likely able and willing to help Boston get this deal done are either the Cleveland Cavaliers or Milwaukee Bucks. It sounds as though Cleveland isn't that big on the deal, though, and Milwaukee might be able to make a play for Smith themselves, too, instead of just helping Boston acquire him.


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Re: Hawks To Seek Sign-And-Trade Scenarios For Josh Smit (Pg. 6)

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:01 pm

Things would have to break perfectly for this to happen.

I don't see it happening.
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Re: Celtics Have Plan For Josh Smith Sign-And-Trade Deal (Pg. 6)

Postby abeer3 on Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:30 pm

yeah, if you have 15 million, do you spend it on pierce (who will be absolutely miserable on a non-contender) or the younger, more exciting, smith?

boston will have to give up an additional asset to move all of pierce's salary in one fell swoop, imo. even then, I think the teams that might be interested would have to strike out in FA first. for example, I could see dallas taking pierce after whiffing on howard/iggy/etc. but that means smith is out there waiting for a couple weeks.

seems unlikely. though there were rumors of a deal in which dallas got pierce and boston got smith at last year's deadline, but boston supposedly backed out due to having to give up picks or something.
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Re: Celtics Have Plan For Josh Smith Sign-And-Trade Deal (Pg. 6)

Postby JSM on Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:12 pm

Don't see why Cavs or Bucks would get Pierce, which is what would have to happen for this to happen. He only wants to go to a contender and neither one of those teams are in the same stratosphere as the contenders. So...I don't see how Josh will end up in Boston anytime soon.
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Re: Celtics Have Plan For Josh Smith Sign-And-Trade Deal (Pg. 6)

Postby JSM on Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:06 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo wrote:Detroit Pistons general manager Joe Dumars met with Atlanta Hawks forward Josh Smith at 12:01 a.m. ET with a plan to make the free agent forward a substantial four-year offer, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Atlanta has shown far more interest in working sign-and-trade arrangements for Smith than re-signing him to a long-term deal, league sources said.

Along with re-signing point guard Jose Calderon, Smith is the Pistons' top priority on the market, league sources told Y! Sports.

The Pistons planned to make a preemptive strike on Smith, understanding that he's a secondary priority for several teams awaiting the resolution of the Dwight Howard derby, sources said.

Smith, 27, is one of the free-agent stars on the market, a versatile 6-foot-9 forward that Dumars would add to a frontline that includes Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond. Smith averaged 17.5 points, 8.4 rebounds and 4.2 assists for the Hawks this past season.

Dumars also will meet with forward Andre Iguodala on Monday in Los Angeles, but it's doubtful the Pistons have the willingness to outbid Denver to sign him. Denver GM Tim Connelly and coach Brian Shaw plan to meet with Iguodala in Los Angeles on Monday and present him with a contract extension, league sources told Y! Sports.
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Re: Pistons Meet with Josh Smith as the Clock Strikes 12 (Pg. 6)

Postby JSM on Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:10 pm

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Re: Pistons Meet with Josh Smith as the Clock Strikes 12 (Pg. 6)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:15 pm

Smith to Detroit? Well... have fun over there.
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Re: Pistons Meet with Josh Smith as the Clock Strikes 12 (Pg. 6)

Postby JSM on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:55 pm

Marc Spears of Yahoo wrote:Atlanta Hawks free-agent forward Josh Smith won’t decide where to sign until after the Fourth of July holiday weekend, at the earliest, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

Smith left Los Angeles to return to his hometown of Atlanta on Wednesday after meeting with the Houston Rockets and Detroit Pistons. He isn’t in a rush to decide, the source said.

The decision of Los Angeles Lakers center Dwight Howard also plays a role in Smith’s future. The Rockets have told Smith that if they don’t land Howard, they will attempt to sign him next, a source said. The Hawks also could pursue a sign-and-trade to get something in return for Smith leaving.

The Dallas Mavericks met with Howard and have spoken to Philadelphia 76ers free-agent center Andrew Bynum, but they have not met with Smith since the start of free agency, a league source said.
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