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Postby halekulani on Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:36 am

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cp3 is so far ahead of every other pg in the league i don't even see how you can debate who is the best pg right now.

you simply can't compare low 20PER guys to superstars over 25+
you just can't
try and do it for any other position
i get you hate numbers, but i'm telling you the gap is so far, these numbers aren't lying.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:53 am

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cp3 is so far ahead of every other pg in the league i don't even see how you can debate who is the best pg right now.

you simply can't compare low 20PER guys to superstars over 25+
you just can't
try and do it for any other position
i get you hate numbers, but i'm telling you the gap is so far, these numbers aren't lying.


I've never been a stats guy. I judge him based on what I see from him on a nightly basis. I guess the stats just back up my opinion of him. Really, if I were to draw up a perfect PG, I would end up with CP3. Except maybe have him be 6'3" or so and be more selfish at times because he is too unselfish for his own good.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby thkthebest on Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:14 am

PER is basically a "summary" of box score stats. It's not bad, but impact stats are much indicative of how good a player is.

If you can't compare low 20 PERs to 25+, then in 2010, Kobe Bryant could not be compared to Bosh, Wade, and Durant. He wasn't playing his best in the second half of the season. He needed to get his knee drained. But, I'm sure even you think Kobe can be compared to those 3.

To me, CP3 is a great PG, who has never been able to stay healthy. Unfortunately for him, health is part of the equation. Maybe all that flopping actually does take a toll on the body. :man10: CP3 imo also hasn't been as great this year as he has been in past seasons. Blake Griffin has actually improved though.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Frank Dux on Wed Jan 15, 2014 5:33 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:Wow..... Most complete ever.... Second best ever. I'll just stop de cause you guys are delusional. He's not even the best now..... Just wow.


Show me another PG who was more complete. Show me one weakness in his game. Magic could not play D like CP3 can. And I don't really consider Oscar Robertson a PG. He was more of a jack of all traits guard.


First of all, CP3 is not a great defender. He's ok, but he's always been massively overrated in that aspect. Steals don't equate to a player being good at defense. CP3 isn't even the best point guard defender in the league. Guys like Conley, Lowry, Rondo are better, just to name a few.

2nd. How is Chris Paul's game more complete than a 6'8 point guard who played every position and won 5 titles? Is he that much more complete than Steve Nash? You can't even compare Chris Paul's shooting to Nash's because it's not even close. Nash was the better pick and roll handler, and floor general as well. So where does that leave Chris Paul. marginally better at defense? better rebounding? That's cool i guess, but he hasn't led the high powered offenses like Nash, nor has he made deep post season runs. How does this guy still get a pass? If he's such great floor general, why are his teams always getting knocked out early.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Wed Jan 15, 2014 7:17 pm

Frank Dux,

First off, let me clarify, i said Magic is the best PG ever and i said CP3 is the 2nd best PG ever. But i do think he's more complete over Magic because of his superior D and athleticism. He can break down a defender better at times because of his superior quickness.

And CP3 is a great defender. He's great at keeping guys in front of him and as you said, generating steals. He's a gritty defender who has always taken pride on this side of the court. He is noticeably superior over Nash in D. So that's a big consideration on why he's more complete over Nash.

Also, CP3 has superior athleticism. This allows him to break down a defense with his quickness at times. From the triple threat position, he can plant and explode in either direction and get separation to get off a 15-17 footer while Nash usually requires a screen to clear his man. Nash has to rely purely on skill while CP3 can rely on athleticism on top of his skills to lose his defender.

He's also got a very good back to the basket game, something Nash doesn't have. This is something most PGs never have. He can survey the court with his back to the basket and hit the open man or work his defender.

In terms of shooting, Nash is superior but CP3 ain't no slouch either. He's a great FT shooter and solid 3 point shooter. He's also got a deadly 15-17 footer. He can get that shot off anytime with or without a screen, again, as mentioned above, due to his athleticism and skills.

Passing and court vision i would give the edge to Nash. But again, CP3 is also great at both.

Better protection of the basketball. His turnover/assist ratio is one of the best ever. He almost never turns the ball over. He's so efficient. Nash has historically been more of a gambler and has a considerably worse turnover/assist ratio. That's a big factor.

Better closer. CP3 has proven over his career that he's a clutch performer. It might not show in the playoff history but he's been a very good player in the clutch over his career.

Basically, with his dribble, he can get to anywhere on the court and dictate the pace of the game. He can get to the rack almost anytime he wants. He can literally get his own shot off almost anytime he wants. He's that darn talented and skilled.

I just don't see a weakness in CP3's game. Some guys were faster, bigger, superior passers, shooters, or defenders but no one has had quite the package that CP3 had. The only thing i can think of, as i mentioned in another thread that would make him better, is he is too unselfish and if he was a bit taller. Other than that, i see no weakness in his game.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:22 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:Wow..... Most complete ever.... Second best ever. I'll just stop de cause you guys are delusional. He's not even the best now..... Just wow.


Show me another PG who was more complete. Show me one weakness in his game. Magic could not play D like CP3 can. And I don't really consider Oscar Robertson a PG. He was more of a jack of all traits guard.


Tell you what.... list your top 10 ALL TIME point guards and I'll continue. I don't think you have a clue about any one before 2005 personally but I'll entertain this if you show me that Paul belongs above some of the all time greats. I'll give you one stat hound that at least got to the finals....twice.... and holds a few records that you hold dear for point guards and are using to try and make your point now......... where does this guy rank?... Where does the guy that nearly averaged a triple double for his CAREER rank? What about the guy that defined the position Paul emulates? What about the guy that dominated the last decade and won 2 MVP's?.... what about the guy that played for nearly 2 decades at an extremely high level from the mid nineties to just last year?
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby thisbjgz on Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:21 pm

Just goes to show PER means absolutely nothing.

Lillard has been LIGHTS OUT this year. He's arguably just as good as Curry this year.

CP3
Curry
Lillard
Parker
Wall
RWB
Irving
Isiah Thomas
Lawson
Conley
Rubio
Dragic
Bledsoe

Yes, in that order.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:23 am

thkthebest wrote:PER is basically a "summary" of box score stats. It's not bad, but impact stats are much indicative of how good a player is.

If you can't compare low 20 PERs to 25+, then in 2010, Kobe Bryant could not be compared to Bosh, Wade, and Durant. He wasn't playing his best in the second half of the season. He needed to get his knee drained. But, I'm sure even you think Kobe can be compared to those 3.


uh unless you're an absurd laker homer
kobe wasn't remotely close to lebron's level in 2009-2010
lebron was clearly the best player in the L at that point and far better than kobe
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:27 am

thisbjgz wrote:Just goes to show PER means absolutely nothing.

Lillard has been LIGHTS OUT this year. He's arguably just as good as Curry this year.

CP3
Curry
Lillard
Parker
Wall
RWB
Irving
Isiah Thomas
Lawson
Conley
Rubio
Dragic
Bledsoe

Yes, in that order.


lol rubio is a joke. no way he is better than dragic or bledsoe
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:20 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Wow..... Most complete ever.... Second best ever. I'll just stop de cause you guys are delusional. He's not even the best now..... Just wow.


Show me another PG who was more complete. Show me one weakness in his game. Magic could not play D like CP3 can. And I don't really consider Oscar Robertson a PG. He was more of a jack of all traits guard.


Tell you what.... list your top 10 ALL TIME point guards and I'll continue. I don't think you have a clue about any one before 2005 personally but I'll entertain this if you show me that Paul belongs above some of the all time greats. I'll give you one stat hound that at least got to the finals....twice.... and holds a few records that you hold dear for point guards and are using to try and make your point now......... where does this guy rank?... Where does the guy that nearly averaged a triple double for his CAREER rank? What about the guy that defined the position Paul emulates? What about the guy that dominated the last decade and won 2 MVP's?.... what about the guy that played for nearly 2 decades at an extremely high level from the mid nineties to just last year?


Let me clarify my opinion on CP3. Yes, I think he is the most complete PG ever. When you break down his game, I don't see anyone more complete. And also, if you were to allow me to pick any PG in the history of the game to start a team, I would take CP3 second only after Magic. So I didn't mean to say he was the 2nd greatest PG ever. That would be ludicrous as he's just entering his prime and isn't done yet and needs to accomplish more to move up the rankings.

But here is my list from 1980 - present. I'm not going to talk about guys I've never seen so you can rank Cousy, Robertson, Archibald, Frazier, etc. however you like. My ranking is based on accomplishments and peak abilities/skills.

1) Magic
2) Isiah Thomas - I think he's one of the most underrated players ever. He played in the toughest and most competitive era in NBA history and took down Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics and the Showtime Lakers in the playoffs. He was "the man" on a team that won back to back titles and was one win away from a 3 peat. Who can forget his amazing 25 point explosion in the Finals against the Lakers when he could barely walk? The guy was fearless in the clutch and had the instincts of a killer. He didn't back down from anyone as evidenced by his fights with guys like Cartwright, Malone and Mahorn. I mean people talk about Bird, Magic and Jordan when it comes to the 80's but this guy won back-to-back in the same era and he's almost never mentioned in the same breath as these greats. He was also lowballed by Jordan in the 1992 Olympics. He was clearly more deserving over Stockton at the time.
3) Nash
4) Stockton
5) Kidd
6) Paul
7) Payton
8) Parker
9) Hardaway
10) Kevin Johnson
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby thkthebest on Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:47 am

halekulani wrote:
thkthebest wrote:PER is basically a "summary" of box score stats. It's not bad, but impact stats are much indicative of how good a player is.

If you can't compare low 20 PERs to 25+, then in 2010, Kobe Bryant could not be compared to Bosh, Wade, and Durant. He wasn't playing his best in the second half of the season. He needed to get his knee drained. But, I'm sure even you think Kobe can be compared to those 3.


uh unless you're an absurd laker homer
kobe wasn't remotely close to lebron's level in 2009-2010
lebron was clearly the best player in the L at that point and far better than kobe

My God. Actually read my post before you respond.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Thu Jan 16, 2014 2:57 pm

sorry not sure why you exluded bron who is clearly 25+
even durant
doesn't matter

kobe got what, 3rd in mvp voting? but a lot of mvp voting has to do w win totals
2009/2010 kobe was definitely not one of his best individual years performance wise despite the b2b championship.

none of the t5 pgs are risk-free of injury
i dont see why this is a knock on cp3
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby thkthebest on Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:27 pm

I never argued who the best was. I'm actually not sure why you keep bringing that up. I excluded LeBron because he doesn't need to be a part of this argument. It was irrelevant.

I'm arguing against your statement that you cannot compare low 20 PER guys to 25+. By saying that, you are also saying that 2010 Kobe isn't even better than Bosh. Actually, it would mean that you can't even compare the two because Bosh would just be on a whole other level. You can't even compare Kobe to a 21-year-old Durant, who admitted at the time that Kobe was still the best.

You are saying that right now, Cousins is so much better than Dwight, Harden, George, Curry, Duncan, etc. that it's not even comparable.
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Postby halekulani on Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:56 pm

well now that i'm re-reading what i wrote, i never intended for you to compare players who don't even play the same position

among centers, cousins is playing better than everyone right now. even d12
klove and AD are without a doubt above everyone else at PF
lebron and kd at sf, no question above everyone else.
sg lol easily the weakest position not surprised.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:29 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Wow..... Most complete ever.... Second best ever. I'll just stop de cause you guys are delusional. He's not even the best now..... Just wow.


Show me another PG who was more complete. Show me one weakness in his game. Magic could not play D like CP3 can. And I don't really consider Oscar Robertson a PG. He was more of a jack of all traits guard.


Tell you what.... list your top 10 ALL TIME point guards and I'll continue. I don't think you have a clue about any one before 2005 personally but I'll entertain this if you show me that Paul belongs above some of the all time greats. I'll give you one stat hound that at least got to the finals....twice.... and holds a few records that you hold dear for point guards and are using to try and make your point now......... where does this guy rank?... Where does the guy that nearly averaged a triple double for his CAREER rank? What about the guy that defined the position Paul emulates? What about the guy that dominated the last decade and won 2 MVP's?.... what about the guy that played for nearly 2 decades at an extremely high level from the mid nineties to just last year?


Let me clarify my opinion on CP3. Yes, I think he is the most complete PG ever. When you break down his game, I don't see anyone more complete. And also, if you were to allow me to pick any PG in the history of the game to start a team, I would take CP3 second only after Magic. So I didn't mean to say he was the 2nd greatest PG ever. That would be ludicrous as he's just entering his prime and isn't done yet and needs to accomplish more to move up the rankings.

But here is my list from 1980 - present. I'm not going to talk about guys I've never seen so you can rank Cousy, Robertson, Archibald, Frazier, etc. however you like. My ranking is based on accomplishments and peak abilities/skills.

1) Magic
2) Isiah Thomas - I think he's one of the most underrated players ever. He played in the toughest and most competitive era in NBA history and took down Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics and the Showtime Lakers in the playoffs. He was "the man" on a team that won back to back titles and was one win away from a 3 peat. Who can forget his amazing 25 point explosion in the Finals against the Lakers when he could barely walk? The guy was fearless in the clutch and had the instincts of a killer. He didn't back down from anyone as evidenced by his fights with guys like Cartwright, Malone and Mahorn. I mean people talk about Bird, Magic and Jordan when it comes to the 80's but this guy won back-to-back in the same era and he's almost never mentioned in the same breath as these greats. He was also lowballed by Jordan in the 1992 Olympics. He was clearly more deserving over Stockton at the time.
3) Nash
4) Stockton
5) Kidd
6) Paul
7) Payton
8) Parker
9) Hardaway
10) Kevin Johnson


Don't have a lot of time as I'm getting on a plane….

Interesting that you used stats as the push for Paul to be "the most complete" and then rank him 6th. Isiah is right up there for me too. The stats you used for Paul's greatness surpass most on this list with the exception of Stockton and maybe Payton.

To me if you take the Big O, Kidd and Magic out of the equation because of their size and the other things they bring you are left with "pure point guards". In that case Stockton, Nash, Kidd, Payton, Archibald all rank above Paul for me. Longevity, ability to play effectively in different "eras" and being a leader all play into it for me. Paul has the on the court stuff but he's a petulant brat that had rather squawk at officials and devise ways to cheat rather than overcome and lead.

The guys that defined the position like Greer, Bing and Cousey along with West and Goodrich need to be considered as they are HOF'ers. Stats are from a different era so they don't translate but they dominated their eras every bit as much as Paul…. more so If you ask me and I saw them all play with the exception of Cousey.

Iverson was a "scoring point" that put up better numbers (if thats what its about) than Paul for longer as well. If we're measuring heart there is no comparison.

Paul based on what he's done to date wouldn't be in my top 10.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:20 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:He's also got a very good back to the basket game, something Nash doesn't have. This is something most PGs never have. He can survey the court with his back to the basket and hit the open man or work his defender.


CP3 "post ups " often end up in a face up J or a PNR ... he briefly posts up then turns to face up ... He's no Dre Miller ...

I don't have memories of CP3 backing down his man and hitting the open man as Kobe , MJ can do
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:36 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Wow..... Most complete ever.... Second best ever. I'll just stop de cause you guys are delusional. He's not even the best now..... Just wow.


Show me another PG who was more complete. Show me one weakness in his game. Magic could not play D like CP3 can. And I don't really consider Oscar Robertson a PG. He was more of a jack of all traits guard.


Tell you what.... list your top 10 ALL TIME point guards and I'll continue. I don't think you have a clue about any one before 2005 personally but I'll entertain this if you show me that Paul belongs above some of the all time greats. I'll give you one stat hound that at least got to the finals....twice.... and holds a few records that you hold dear for point guards and are using to try and make your point now......... where does this guy rank?... Where does the guy that nearly averaged a triple double for his CAREER rank? What about the guy that defined the position Paul emulates? What about the guy that dominated the last decade and won 2 MVP's?.... what about the guy that played for nearly 2 decades at an extremely high level from the mid nineties to just last year?


Let me clarify my opinion on CP3. Yes, I think he is the most complete PG ever. When you break down his game, I don't see anyone more complete. And also, if you were to allow me to pick any PG in the history of the game to start a team, I would take CP3 second only after Magic. So I didn't mean to say he was the 2nd greatest PG ever. That would be ludicrous as he's just entering his prime and isn't done yet and needs to accomplish more to move up the rankings.

But here is my list from 1980 - present. I'm not going to talk about guys I've never seen so you can rank Cousy, Robertson, Archibald, Frazier, etc. however you like. My ranking is based on accomplishments and peak abilities/skills.

1) Magic
2) Isiah Thomas - I think he's one of the most underrated players ever. He played in the toughest and most competitive era in NBA history and took down Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics and the Showtime Lakers in the playoffs. He was "the man" on a team that won back to back titles and was one win away from a 3 peat. Who can forget his amazing 25 point explosion in the Finals against the Lakers when he could barely walk? The guy was fearless in the clutch and had the instincts of a killer. He didn't back down from anyone as evidenced by his fights with guys like Cartwright, Malone and Mahorn. I mean people talk about Bird, Magic and Jordan when it comes to the 80's but this guy won back-to-back in the same era and he's almost never mentioned in the same breath as these greats. He was also lowballed by Jordan in the 1992 Olympics. He was clearly more deserving over Stockton at the time.
3) Nash
4) Stockton
5) Kidd
6) Paul
7) Payton
8) Parker
9) Hardaway
10) Kevin Johnson


Don't have a lot of time as I'm getting on a plane….

Interesting that you used stats as the push for Paul to be "the most complete" and then rank him 6th. Isiah is right up there for me too. The stats you used for Paul's greatness surpass most on this list with the exception of Stockton and maybe Payton.

To me if you take the Big O, Kidd and Magic out of the equation because of their size and the other things they bring you are left with "pure point guards". In that case Stockton, Nash, Kidd, Payton, Archibald all rank above Paul for me. Longevity, ability to play effectively in different "eras" and being a leader all play into it for me. Paul has the on the court stuff but he's a petulant brat that had rather squawk at officials and devise ways to cheat rather than overcome and lead.

The guys that defined the position like Greer, Bing and Cousey along with West and Goodrich need to be considered as they are HOF'ers. Stats are from a different era so they don't translate but they dominated their eras every bit as much as Paul…. more so If you ask me and I saw them all play with the exception of Cousey.

Iverson was a "scoring point" that put up better numbers (if thats what its about) than Paul for longer as well. If we're measuring heart there is no comparison.

Paul based on what he's done to date wouldn't be in my top 10.


What stat did I use? I only said that his assist/turnover ratio is outstanding. I don't need stats to see his greatness, just eyes. I even said in an above post that i'm not a stat guy.

I don't consider Iverson or West PGs. They were SGs to me. So they don't count in my rankings.

We'll just agree to disagree. You obviously don't think too highly of CP3 as I do.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:39 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:He's also got a very good back to the basket game, something Nash doesn't have. This is something most PGs never have. He can survey the court with his back to the basket and hit the open man or work his defender.


CP3 "post ups " often end up in a face up J or a PNR ... he briefly posts up then turns to face up ... He's no Dre Miller ...

I don't have memories of CP3 backing down his man and hitting the open man as Kobe , MJ can do


True, he's no Miller, that's for sure. And he does rarely post up with his back to the basket. But he'll do it once in a while when he has smaller guy or similar sized guy on him. But my point is that he does have that in his game also. He just doesn't use it very much. It's not like Nash where you KNOW he doesn't have that in his game.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:58 pm

:man10: 9-3 without little Chrissy and the team looks better and is scoring more. Even on the road they are playing great. .647% vs .750%....

It's just amazing what can happen when the second best PG EVER gets hurt.... the ball moves... touches everyone and scoring and FG% goes up....
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Postby halekulani on Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:26 am

and how many of those games are against east coast fodder?
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and okc just went 5-0 on a tough road trip

doesnt mean better w reggie
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Postby trodgers on Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:47 am

halekulani wrote:and how many of those games are against east coast fodder?
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doesnt mean better w reggie

OKC is probably better with a selfish Durant. That's an obvious confound - how does he play with and without Westbrook.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:16 pm

halekulani wrote:and how many of those games are against east coast fodder?
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and okc just went 5-0 on a tough road trip

doesnt mean better w reggie


They beat bad teams on the road........ That they lost to at home with Chrissy.... What does that say?

That team looks 100% better right now. Their ball movement is far better without Paul dominating it. Team assists are up, scoring up, winning % up.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:14 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
halekulani wrote:and how many of those games are against east coast fodder?
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and okc just went 5-0 on a tough road trip

doesnt mean better w reggie


They beat bad teams on the road........ That they lost to at home with Chrissy.... What does that say?

That team looks 100% better right now. Their ball movement is far better without Paul dominating it. Team assists are up, scoring up, winning % up.


yeah because it has nothing to do with jj redick finally returning to the starting lineup
lol get real.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 26, 2014 4:06 pm

halekulani wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
halekulani wrote:and how many of those games are against east coast fodder?
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and okc just went 5-0 on a tough road trip

doesnt mean better w reggie


They beat bad teams on the road........ That they lost to at home with Chrissy.... What does that say?

That team looks 100% better right now. Their ball movement is far better without Paul dominating it. Team assists are up, scoring up, winning % up.


yeah because it has nothing to do with jj redick finally returning to the starting lineup
lol get real.


Wait.... Paul >everyone but Magic but now Redick > Paul? JJ Redick the greatest ever!! :bow:

Seriously, The ball is moving and the players are all engaged. That never happens with the slow moving pick and roll that is the only thing Paul can really do at a high level. Suddenly they are much harder to defend because the ball is not in a predictable spot. Team assists are more important than individual ones and the spread that they have been having is a lot better than before his injury.

Anyway.... when a supposed "Top 3" player in the NBA gets hurt his team rarely if ever throws up a .750 winning percentage in the next 12 games. This just reinforces why I don't want this guy in a Laker uniform and actually praise the commish..... He saved us the torture that the Clipper Fans will endure for the remainder of his contract.... regular season hope only to be bounced out in the playoffs year after year.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:54 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Wait.... Paul >everyone but Magic but now Redick > Paul? JJ Redick the greatest ever!! :bow:

dude
clips were doing fine, 12-5 before redick went down
you're delusional to make a big deal about a 12 game stretch to throw paul under the bus
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