rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:19 pm

rules: exclude rondo. you can include wb since he actually played a bit. rose basically knocked himself out.

i think this is a pretty intriguing topic....the top spots are really up for grabs other than cp3 lol its not even close

1. cp3
2. steph (he's a sg but whatevs)
3. parker (veteran, top team in the west, amazing record despite not so amazing stats)
4. wb (injured but who cares he's a beast)
5. wall (i hope he gets traded....wizards are just wasting his talent)
6. conley (very complete player)
7. irving (slump year but he's still so talented)
8. damian lillard (k im gonna get flak for putting him below so many other players but whatevs)
9. isaiah thomas (seriously wtf this guy is damon stoudamire 2.0. biggest surprise)
10. kyle lowry (you can literally go w like 10 other pgs here but i think he has the best balance of offense/defense/low turnovers)

any dwill/rubio fans who still think they are t10...please type out an essay why. i simply cannot understand why people are hanging onto those clowns.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:29 pm

Good list but Rondo and D Will are missing. Dragic and Teague could be in there as well.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Thu Jan 02, 2014 10:32 pm

rondo - see rules
dwill - you owe me an essay
dragic and teague - totally agree. there are so many ppl that can fit in @ 9 and 10
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby LooN3y on Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:37 am

D.Will is a proven 20-10 player when healthy, hes lead his team to the playoffs while in utah (but obviously getting there and not doing anything). and when hes healthy he can score.

hes been injured the past 2 years, i mean yeah i bet he lost some speed but hes still fairly young, and i dont think your basketball skills just diminish just like that.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 2:38 am

Lawson .... the guy would be VERY good with shooters around him .

Irving is overrated so far , we'll see how he improves ... can't judge Wall , don't watch the Wizards ...

Rondo , Conley , Westbrook ( if focused) , Lowry ... these guys can defend individually and in a team concept ...

I like Parker for his off ball and limited ballhog game ...

CP3 will end up as one of the most overrated players in the league history ( even if the stats say otherwise) :

- Never healthy when it counts
- Can't put his team over the top in the playoffs whereas he's often compared to the Lebron , KD's of this game
- Can't play off ball
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:41 am

LooN3y wrote:D.Will is a proven 20-10 player when healthy, hes lead his team to the playoffs while in utah (but obviously getting there and not doing anything). and when hes healthy he can score.

hes been injured the past 2 years, i mean yeah i bet he lost some speed but hes still fairly young, and i dont think your basketball skills just diminish just like that.

2 years?
lol maybe like 5 years

he's never going to be as good as he was in 07-08

the last time he hit hit 20/10 was...well never, but the closest he ever got was utah. he was the perfect system player and fcked it up. he's never going to have the success that he had in utah, period.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:55 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:CP3 will end up as one of the most overrated players in the league history ( even if the stats say otherwise) :

- Never healthy when it counts
- Can't put his team over the top in the playoffs whereas he's often compared to the Lebron , KD's of this game
- Can't play off ball


cp3 passes both stat test and eye test. you can't fake your way to 19/11 w 2.5 stls a game

lol who would you rather have handle the rock on the clips
who has the skills to pass to a cutting cp3 in the lane? deandre? lol. blake? no. dudley? he's not a creator. jamal crawford? his progression of options is shoot, shoot, shoot, then maybe think about passing.

dude if cp3 played in the east, he would easily reach conference finals -_-
last season was the first season clips ever won 50 games
hornets lost to the eventual champs (spurs) in conference semis in 2008. that was a 7 game series too. that team was a JOKE. david west was his only support offensively and tyson chandler was his anchor. guys like mo pete, bonzi wells, and peja only had pulses left in their careers bc of cp3.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 03, 2014 7:31 am

CP3 is one of the most overrated players in the game….. not far behind Howard.

Now that is not to say that he isn't good…. just not a leader on on a championship caliber team. It's his style of play that leads me to that conclusion not his stats…. No team with a 6'-0" point guard that dominates the ball as much as he does has ever gotten to the finals much less won. It's too easy to defend when teams play 7 games in a row. SA has effectively written the book on how to take his teams out of the playoffs. His teams learn to stand and wait for him to give them the ball…. His stats stay about the same in the playoffs…. his team's drop.

Stat wise he puts up great numbers….. so does Melo…. so did Iverson. So what? Is this the top 10 best stat PG's or the top 10 best PG's?

Finally on CP3…. he's a guy that doesn't respect the game IMHO. His premeditated flopping, constant complaining and flat out cheating shows me that he's a "me" guy a lot more than he's a "we" guy. Personally I can't stand to watch the guy but personal feelings aside he's not a leader on a championship team. Nash was/is the same…. just to one dimensional and way too ball dependent.

On the list… I'd take D Will over Conley, Irving, Wall and Thomas currently. For the Lakers, with Kobe I'd take Rondo over all of them. Keep an eye on Lillard…. he may be the real deal.

As for who I'd take if I were starting a team from scratch tomorrow…. toss up between Rondo and Parker. Rondo takes his game to a different level under pressure and Parker can dominate offensively or be just about as effective off the ball.

(PS. Why is Rondo excluded? Curry didn't play much last year and Rondo will be back in a week or two).
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby trodgers on Fri Jan 03, 2014 8:16 am

BS list. Where's Farmar? Young? Meeks?
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby thkthebest on Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:20 am

So basically, the West dominates this list too.

No Rondo makes sense since I assumed this list was for the 2013-2014 season.

Deron's been poor relative to the standards he's been held to, which is to be the top PG in the league. But he's still pretty good.

1. Deron leads his team in +/- at +11.2 per 48 minutes, which you can't say for many of the players on your list. Not only that, Deron has a positive +/-, despite being on such a crappy team. TP doesn't lead his team in +/-, and in fact, he has a negative +/-. Westbrook and Irving also have a negative +/-.

2. 57.3 TS% | 48.6 2P% | 42.3 3P%
Those are good shooting numbers and better than several players on the list.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:37 am

halekulani wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:CP3 will end up as one of the most overrated players in the league history ( even if the stats say otherwise) :

- Never healthy when it counts
- Can't put his team over the top in the playoffs whereas he's often compared to the Lebron , KD's of this game
- Can't play off ball


hornets lost to the eventual champs (spurs) in conference semis in 2008. that was a 7 game series too. that team was a JOKE. david west was his only support offensively and tyson chandler was his anchor. guys like mo pete, bonzi wells, and peja only had pulses left in their careers bc of cp3.


Wrong ... SAS lost in the Conf Finals to us ... 4-1

halekulani wrote:
lol who would you rather have handle the rock on the clips
who has the skills to pass to a cutting cp3 in the lane? deandre? lol. blake? no. dudley? he's not a creator. jamal crawford? his progression of options is shoot, shoot, shoot, then maybe think about passing


Ginger is an underrated passer ... what I'm saying is you aren't going to win [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] if you play the high PNR 90% of the time ...

Your post is a prime example of CP3 being the Teflon Don of the league ... teammates fault , poor coach ... will be interesting to see what's the excuse with Rivers as the coach this season ...

He's nowhere near the level of prime Lebron , Kobe , KD , Wade ... and this how he's "described" by many medias ..." the 2nd best PG of all time , advanced stats say he's better than Magic" LMAO
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Postby LooN3y on Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:23 pm

thkthebest wrote:So basically, the West dominates this list too.

No Rondo makes sense since I assumed this list was for the 2013-2014 season.

Deron's been poor relative to the standards he's been held to, which is to be the top PG in the league. But he's still pretty good.

1. Deron leads his team in +/- at +11.2 per 48 minutes, which you can't say for many of the players on your list. Not only that, Deron has a positive +/-, despite being on such a crappy team. TP doesn't lead his team in +/-, and in fact, he has a negative +/-. Westbrook and Irving also have a negative +/-.

2. 57.3 TS% | 48.6 2P% | 42.3 3P%
Those are good shooting numbers and better than several players on the list.



not even that Deron made sure his team made the playoffs in a tough western conference, with the melo nuggets, cp3 hornets, nash/amare suns, lakers, brandon roy era blazers, dallas, san antonio, yao's rockets,

it wasnt a walk in the park for Deron, boozer, AK, OKur and the rest of them.

im not saying kyries or walls teammates are on par as with that utah squad, but they're not MUCH better, and these guys are playing in the eastern conference, a conference thats been week for well over a decade, and still continues to struggle.



if i had a team with some talent, and i had to choose over kyrie, wall, or deron (obviously not mentioning the other vet top PGs) to get me to the playoffs, id choose deron.

there are young guys/rookies that can get you there (magic, duncan, rose) but kyrie and wall arnt one of them. id much rather take a veteran proven PG in that type of circumstances.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby abeer3 on Fri Jan 03, 2014 6:28 pm

trodgers wrote:BS list. Where's Farmar? Young? Meeks?


henry? marshall?

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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Fri Jan 03, 2014 10:56 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:
halekulani wrote:hornets lost to the eventual champs (spurs) in conference semis in 2008. that was a 7 game series too. that team was a JOKE. david west was his only support offensively and tyson chandler was his anchor. guys like mo pete, bonzi wells, and peja only had pulses left in their careers bc of cp3.


Wrong...


my bad misread. spurs were the defending champs at the time

He's nowhere near the level of prime Lebron , Kobe , KD , Wade ... and this how he's "described" by many medias ..." the 2nd best PG of all time , advanced stats say he's better than Magic" LMAO

nobody is arguing that he is equivalent to the prime of lebron

there is nobody currently on cp3's level at his position, period.
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Postby halekulani on Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:02 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Your post is a prime example of CP3 being the Teflon Don of the league ... teammates fault , poor coach ... will be interesting to see what's the excuse with Rivers as the coach this season ...


if your pg is the most valuable asset on your team, you probably won't be winning rings.

still need defense
still need role players
still need an interior presence

if tp never had tim duncan or the spurs, he never would have won a ring
that doesn't make him any less great of a pg
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Postby Exonyte on Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:10 am

lillard below conley? cmon now
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:18 pm

i wont lie
i have an irrational dislike for lillard

don't ask for an explanation. like i said, it's irrational.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:49 pm

halekulani wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:Your post is a prime example of CP3 being the Teflon Don of the league ... teammates fault , poor coach ... will be interesting to see what's the excuse with Rivers as the coach this season ...


if your pg is the most valuable asset on your team, you probably won't be winning rings.

still need defense
still need role players
still need an interior presence

if tp never had tim duncan or the spurs, he never would have won a ring
that doesn't make him any less great of a pg



I agree with the bold part above…… the fact that CP3 has had all of those things in the past is the elephant in the room. Chandler, Peja, West along with the others on those 2 NO teams were as good as the support players around Durrant and Dirk for example.

Your original premiss of who are the top 10 Point guards can be answered two ways….. from the stats/love to watch perspective and from the perspective of winning and leading. Those two lists are pretty different for me. If I were starting a team tomorrow I'd probably pick the PG last…. after the character of the team is in place…. not the other way around. Let the team dictate PG…. not the other way around.
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby halekulani on Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:56 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
I agree with the bold part above…… the fact that CP3 has had all of those things in the past is the elephant in the room. Chandler, Peja, West along with the others on those 2 NO teams were as good as the support players around Durrant and Dirk for example.


yeah but they weren't as valuable as cp3. chandler, west + the rest of that team is a joke on its own. cp3 is what runs that team.
what i said about that rule still applies. cp3 cannot be the most important part of the team. he WAS the hornets.

the pg cant be your most valuable asset
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:52 pm

According to ESPN.......

1.) CP3
2.) Steph Curry
3.) Russ Westbrook
4.) Kyle Lowry
5.) D-Lillard
6.) John Wall
7.) Kyrie
8.) Isaiah Thomas
9.) Ty Lawson
10.) Mike Conley

Next 5 - Dragic, Kemba Walker, MCW, Rose, Bledsoe
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:23 pm

Lowry all the way at 4?
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Frank Dux on Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:48 pm

My #1 is Steph Curry. One of the best shooters of all time. Better scorer/shooter than CP3, and is becoming a top tier playmaker as well. Definitely not an SG in a PG's body like the OP suggests. Dude averages 23/9... Needs to cut back on the turnovers, but this kid is something special, and I don't even think we've seen the best. His feel for the game is incredible. I wouldn't be surprised if he averaged 25/10/4 next year.

I have zero respect for CP3. Rooscooter seems to have a similar opinion about him as I do. He's a cheater. He has no integrity, and no respect for the game. He's a petulant brat- out to get his way at the expense of the honesty of the game. He's no better than guys like Bonds, A-Rod, etc. It's a shame that he plays with the mentality that he does, because he has a great skillset. Imagine if he played with the same guts/heart as Rondo?

The problem with CP3 is that he becomes the system, rather than playing in one a la Parker, Rondo. Those guys might not have put up the numbers, but they know how to win a championship. Something Chris Paul has never been close to achieving.
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Postby purp n gold on Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:06 pm

I can't disagree with most of what's being said here, but I'd probably take Lawson/Dragic/Bledsoe/Teague before Lowry. Lowry shows potential no doubt, but he's hasn't been the starting guy for a full season because of injury or another PG outplaying him. I would just like to see him do it for an extended period of time. Same can be said for Bledsoe, but he's so freakishly athletic I'd put more money on him.

The top 7's or 8's that are listed here are on the money though
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:28 pm

Frank Dux wrote:I have zero respect for CP3. Rooscooter seems to have a similar opinion about him as I do. He's a cheater. He has no integrity, and no respect for the game. He's a petulant brat- out to get his way at the expense of the honesty of the game. He's no better than guys like Bonds, A-Rod, etc. It's a shame that he plays with the mentality that he does, because he has a great skillset. Imagine if he played with the same guts/heart as Rondo?


I've always like you......

Frank Dux wrote:The problem with CP3 is that he becomes the system, rather than playing in one a la Parker, Rondo. Those guys might not have put up the numbers, but they know how to win a championship. Something Chris Paul has never been close to achieving.


Bingo....
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Re: rank nba's top 10 pgs (2013-2014)

Postby Barnstable on Sun Jan 12, 2014 8:19 pm

therealdeal wrote:Lowry all the way at 4?


That's what I said. And they have CP3 on the list.... but not Rondo? :freak2:
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