Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby therealdeal on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:34 am

With the dust beginning to settle on the NBA landscape, let's discuss the league's best winners and losers.

Winners:
5. Denver. They picked up Andre Iguodala for a measly offering of Afflalo, Harrington, and a pick or two. Now they've got a great young athlete at every position and are poised to be a formidable foe in the West. Iguodala and Chandler combine to make a FANTASTIC perimeter defender tandem. And of course they shed Harrington's contract. Now they've got a borderline all-star at 3 of 5 position, they should make a nice playpff run.

4. Philadelphia. They acquire the 2nd best big man in the NBA for a guy they didn't want, a big man they won't use, and an unproven, redundant player. They now have a premiere player. Someone they can depend on to score a lot points inside every night. Bynum is still young and has the potential to be the best Center in the NBA. Coupled with a few young studs in the East, they should make some noise. Don't be surprised if they end up competing for the 4th spot in the East.

3. Boston. The old guys seemed like they were done last season until a shockingly rejuvenated Garnett took them to the Eastern Conference Finals against Miami. They seemed to be too slow, have too little depth, and they just seemed a little too old. They lost Allen to their rival and things seemed bleak. Then they signed Terry, drafted two young, talented big men in Fab Melo and Jared Sullinger, traded for Courtney Lee, and re-signed Garnett to boot. Once Bradley and Green come back healthy they're legitimately two deep at every position with a full bench and impressive lineup. That team reloaded in a big way. Don't be surprised to see them in the Eastern Conference Finals again. Heck, don't be surprised to see them representing the East in the Finals.

2. New York City. The New York Knicks seemed poised for great things behind Lin's breakout season. Then it all fell apart after an injury to Lin's knee. They made a push behind Carmelo and Amar'e, but they were missing that spark. After missing out on Nash, letting Fields go, and having Lin leave for more money it didn't look good for the Knicks. Then they acquire Felton, Kidd, Ronnie Brewer, Camby, and re-sign J.R. Smith. The new look New York Knicks are a deep team and look to be a good defensive squad too. The other New York team also had a nice off-season. They acquire the ugliest contract ever in Johnson, but he's still a very talented player. They re-sign Lopez, who despite his faults is a legitimate seven feet tall and can score around the basket. They retain Humphries on a friendly deal. But most importantly they keep their franchise relevant by re-signing Williams. They'll take time to gel, but look for them to push the upper levels of the Eastern Conference.

1. The Lakers. Los Angeles spent the last two seasons floundering in the playoffs. It seemed Kobe Bryant would never sniff the Finals again after the emergence of Kevin Durant and the decline of his squad. The off-season rolled around and Laker fans kept hearing that the team would likely remain the same. The cityof LA let out a collective sigh. Then Nash was acquired for nothing. Jamison was signed for the minimum. Jordan Hill was re-signed. Jodie Meeks signs with LA giving Kobe a legitimate backup shooting guard. Oh yeah, and the Lakers trade for Dwight Howard. The Lakers now have a starting lineup that looks more like an all-star game than an NBA franchise. Between the starters there's 3 MVPs, 4 Defensive Player of the Year awards, and over 30 all-star selections. But most importantly the Lakers have a new marque player for the future.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby therealdeal on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:36 am

This off-season's losers:

5. Raptors/Pistons/Kings. These teams did almost nothing this off-season to improve and they're teams that needed it most. They've struggled for the last few years and there doesn't seem to be much coming out of it. The Kings have some solid young guys, but are solid young guys enough to make any noise in the league? Make a playoff birth? The Raptors lost out on Nash and since then haven't done much to make up for it. The Pistons have a couple young pieces, but are far from developing anything in the league today. These teams are challenged to get out of mediocrity and unfortunately don't seem to have it in them.

4. The Bulls. Last season was an unfortunate one for them. They had a lot of injuries, the worst of which of course was Rose, but also included other key players like Joakim Noah and Hamilton. Now they go into this season having added just enough pieces to make them a middle of the pack playoff team in the East; they'll likely end up somewhere in the 6-8 range, maybe higher because they're well coached. They added some good pieces like Nate Robinson, Radmanovic, Muhommed, and Belinelli, but they lost some pieces like C.J. Miles and Kyle Korver. The bottom line is that they could end up missing Rose for most of the season and still end up in the playoffs. They'll likely have another disappointing post-season on the back of a Rose that's recovering from surgery. End up a 1st or 2nd round exit, have a poor 1st round pick, and limp into another season on the backs of a team beset by hardship. They needed a shake up or a blow up and they didn't get it.

3. The Brooklyn Nets. Wait! They were on your winners list! Yes, I know, I Know and they were certainly winners for keeping Williams and for making a Eastern Conference Finals competitor. However, they lost out on Howard and it was clear how badly they wanted him. They did everything in their power to get Howard on the Nets and eventually gave up, signing the consolation prize of Lopez to a max deal. A duo of Howard and Williams would make probably the best 1-2 duo in the last 10 years and they'd be around for at least the next 5-6 years barring injury. They lost their chance at all of that. Not to mention, the mental effect on your team knowing that they were all trying to get moved. That team has the potential to be very good, but they had the opportunity for something special and they lost it.

2. The Rockets. The Rockets gambled big and lost big. They played poker with the Knicks, the Bulls, and the Magic and lost. Morey went all in with a two-pair, and was beat by a flush from LA. The Rockets went into the off-season swinging for the fences on multiple attempts with Lin, Asik, and in a wild attempt to land Howard. Unfortunately, they bit off more than they could chew. They had the hopes that Howard would be moved before the offers on Asik and Lin were dealt with. That would have allowed them far more flexibility. Unfortunately, the Magic's deadline didn't match the Rockets' and they were left to dry. Now due to their poor drafting in this year's draft, they're stuck with a glut of big men they don't really need, and not enough guards and swing men. They're going to be good enough to not be awful, but not good enough to do anything in the near future. You can't fault Morey's moxie, but he definitely should have been more conservative with his hand.

1. The Magic. Gee who didn't see that coming? The Magic lose the best big man in the game and that in itself makes them the loser. You simply cannot justify losing the best big man in the league unless you get a truly fantastic haul back... which they didn't. They got Afflalo, Harrington, Harkless, McRoberts, Vucevic, and Eyenga along with some draft choices. That's certainly a haul, but is it a fantastic one? No. Harkless and Afflalo are by the best parts of the trade. Harkless has the tools to be a good player in this league and Afflalo has shown himself to be a solid role player with nice potential. However, Afflalo isn't the kind of guy to carry a franchise or to build around and he's nearer to 30 than 20. I think the ultimate goal of Afflalo is to flip him for a pick later on, which would be a nice touch. Harrington is a poor fit for this team and a bad contract. McRoberts, Vucevic, and Eyenga are all nice young guys, but nothing to write home about. The bottom line is that you traded the best player in the trade, and you didn't get back the 2nd or 3rd best player back (Bynum and Iguodala respectively). Houston was a better trade partner a few weeks back, but in this case their patience was not a virtue.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:40 am

1. Lakers (Head and shoulders above everyone else)
2. Boston
3. Brooklyn
4. Denver
5. New York
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby Finwë on Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:06 am

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:1. Lakers (Head and shoulders above everyone else)
2. Boston
3. Brooklyn
4. Denver
5. New York

Philly did pretty well too.. Better than Denver IMO..
Also, while Brooklyn is better with Joe Johnson, they did take on awful contracts (Johnson, MAX for Lopez, 12M per for Humphries, etc), and they lost out on Howard, while the deal the Magic took for him wasn't much better than what they were offering lol.
Those things considered:
1. Lakers
2. Boston
3. Philly
4. New York
5. Brooklyn / Denver
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:07 am

Why the hate for Afflalo?... He's as good as Iggy at this point.... To me that was more of positional move.... 2 for 3.... but if I had the choice of the two I'd take Afflalo over Iggy at this point. Combine him with Harrington and Denver loses 30ppg.... and gets 12ppg. Even if you think Iggy is a better fit that seems like a lot of production to give up.

I'd move Philly up to the top. They traded a top 6 SF for the second best Center and made the biggest potential jump IMO. I think it also balances that team out and it is a great opportunity for Bynum to play with floor spacers instead of the paint clogging group we had.

NY seems to ADD players every offseason and get worse.... The ones they added don't seem to be difference makers to me.... When you build around Stat and Melo you will get a round or two deep and that's it regardless of the surrounding cast.

Boston got better IMO. Terry can score at better rate than Allen at this point. They added depth and all old teams need that. In a 82 game season we'll see if they can put it together again.

The Lakers.... Got better both defensively and offensively. I've always though this team needed more offense and more ball handlers to get back to the top. We got Nash and Jamison to help with the offensive issues.... now it's up to Kobe to allow them to diversify our "end of the game" offensive sets. Howard will be a help on defense and probably match Bynum's offensive numbers at least. Meeks is the wild card for me.... if he comes in and can score 12 or so off the bench to go with Jamison's 12 or so we will finally be able to keep leads and rest the starters....... and in a 82 game season that will be the most important thing for us to win another Chip. I'd put the Lakers above Denver's offseason.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:20 am

LOL there is no way in hell Affalo is better than Iggy. C'mon now. Iggy is an All Star and an elite defender. Affalo is a role player.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:34 pm

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:LOL there is no way in hell Affalo is better than Iggy. C'mon now. Iggy is an All Star and an elite defender. Affalo is a role player.



Afflalo put up 15 points per game and is probably one of the top 2 defenders at the 2 in the league. Iggy is a hustle guy that plays great D but in real terms they will have about the same impact on wins and losses.... which have little to do with Allstar selections.... Afflalo can space the floor a lot better than Iggy who I think is a little overrated.

Anyway when you give up 30 points of production and get back 12.... no matter how many Allstar games he's been to it's hard to close that gap without a lot of other players picking up the slack.....

I'm glad Afflalo is out of the West.... he gives Kobe fits....
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby pound4pound1 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:15 pm

sidenotes for the losers;

Rockets - amnestied Scola for nothing
Magic - lost a good coach for nothing
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby TIME on Sat Aug 11, 2012 4:09 pm

1. Lakers: Nash + Howard + Jamison + Meeks
2. Sixers: Bynum for Iggy = BIG improvement
3. Boston: nice job rebuilding while staying relevant. Almost impossible to pull off.
4. Brooklyn: they HAD to put a solid team on the floor for their new stadium. Mission accomplished.
5. Houston: yeah I know Morey crashed and burned, but they win by NOT getting D12. He would have walked. Now they have more flexibility to make a deadline deal than any other team in the league.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby John3:16 on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:37 pm

No one thinks Miami had a good off-season?
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:56 pm

John3:16 wrote:No one thinks Miami had a good off-season?

Not really. They added an over the hill Ray Allen and still didn't shore up their big hole in the middle.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby TIME on Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:05 pm

John3:16 wrote:No one thinks Miami had a good off-season?


It all depends on which Ray Allen they get. If it's a 45% from 3 Ray Ray then the whole league is in trouble. If it's last year's Ray then not so much.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:07 pm

Clips got better ..... no? Much? If Lamar returns to form and everyone's healthy. Just asking....didn't pay a lot of attention but seemed like they were signing some people we might have liked. OK looked it up.....


1 Chauncey Billups G 35 6-3 210 Colorado $4,000,000
12 Eric Bledsoe PG 22 6-1 195 Kentucky $1,707,720
5 Caron Butler SF 32 6-7 228 Connecticut $8,000,000
11 Jamal Crawford G 32 6-5 200 Michigan $5,000,000
0 Willie Green SG 31 6-3 201 Detroit $1,475,106
32 Blake Griffin PF 23 6-10 251 Oklahoma $7,226,892
33 Grant Hill SF 39 6-8 225 Duke $1,975,000
15 Ryan Hollins C 27 7-0 240 UCLA $854,389
6 DeAndre Jordan C 24 6-11 265 Texas A&M $10,532,977
23 Travis Leslie G 22 6-4 205 Georgia $762,195
7 Lamar Odom PF 32 6-10 230 Rhode Island $8,200,000
3 Chris Paul PG 27 6-0 175 Wake Forest $17,779,458
9 Trey Thompkins F 22 6-10 245 Georgia $762,195
0 Ronny Turiaf C 29 6-10 249 Gonzaga $854,389
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby KB24 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:25 am

To me, Dallas is a loser as well.....they didn't get anything they wanted. Kaman, Collison etc. aren't really big deals when you lose Terry and Kidd.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:37 am

LTLakerFan wrote:Clips got better ..... no? Much? If Lamar returns to form and everyone's healthy. Just asking....didn't pay a lot of attention but seemed like they were signing some people we might have liked. OK looked it up.....


1 Chauncey Billups G 35 6-3 210 Colorado $4,000,000
12 Eric Bledsoe PG 22 6-1 195 Kentucky $1,707,720
5 Caron Butler SF 32 6-7 228 Connecticut $8,000,000
11 Jamal Crawford G 32 6-5 200 Michigan $5,000,000
0 Willie Green SG 31 6-3 201 Detroit $1,475,106
32 Blake Griffin PF 23 6-10 251 Oklahoma $7,226,892
33 Grant Hill SF 39 6-8 225 Duke $1,975,000
15 Ryan Hollins C 27 7-0 240 UCLA $854,389
6 DeAndre Jordan C 24 6-11 265 Texas A&M $10,532,977
23 Travis Leslie G 22 6-4 205 Georgia $762,195
7 Lamar Odom PF 32 6-10 230 Rhode Island $8,200,000
3 Chris Paul PG 27 6-0 175 Wake Forest $17,779,458
9 Trey Thompkins F 22 6-10 245 Georgia $762,195
0 Ronny Turiaf C 29 6-10 249 Gonzaga $854,389


Stayed the same more or less IMO...they lost Foye=>Crawford, Kmart=<Odom, Ballgrabber=<Turiaf
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:49 am

Good! Was looking before we picked up Nash (alone) like they had all the momentum attracting good free agents for minimum salaries chasing rings or fun or L.A. lights or whatever. At a point might have finally made a difference in the L.A. equation. The gnome like midget really screwed us last year in that regard. How Mitch turned it all around yet again is beyond unbelievable.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby John3:16 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:34 am

KB24 wrote:To me, Dallas is a loser as well.....they didn't get anything they wanted. Kaman, Collison etc. aren't really big deals when you lose Terry and Kidd.


Losers 2 years in a row. Let Chandler and JJ Barea walk. All because they just knew they were getting D Williams and Dwight. And this is a perfect example of why I'm not worried about Dwight leaving. 99% of the time, money is the answer. We can offer 25 million more reasons for Dwight to stay.

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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby KB24 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:43 am

^agreed, thats especially frustrating when you know Nowitzki doesn't have much fuel left in the tank. You basically waste your last few chances of your franchise player and gamble on pipe dreams.

Look at the Lakers...they really are all in, they have now traded like their next 5 1st round picks. They have a payroll of 100 mio. and counting. Next season they are due for 190 mio. including taxes if they keep the same team. thats insane and Cuban is MUCH MUCH richer than Buss and his entourage combined. All this to make sure Kobe gets to play championship basketball for the last few years of his career.

That shows that even Cuban doesn't have the same commitment as Buss, nor the smarts and gambling nose.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby ben_ready on Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:25 am

Miami and the clips did good. Yell™
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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:40 am

Winners - Lakers
Losers - The rest of the NBA
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:51 am

KB24 wrote:To me, Dallas is a loser as well.....they didn't get anything they wanted. Kaman, Collison etc. aren't really big deals when you lose Terry and Kidd.

They lost Terry and Kidd, but added Kaman, Collison, Mayo, and Brand. I'd say they got better.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:03 pm

Loser....

Cavs - They had a chance to pair Kyrie/Bynum with Waiters and cap space (Seeing as how the actual deal went down, they might not have had to take back much in terms of bad contracts). Instead of being an instant force and competitive team for the future, they are stuck being the Cavs, lottery bound with no hope of making any noise in the playoffs and will continue with the suck, lottery pick, rinse repeat they have been accustomed to.

Who knows how realistic it was for them to get Bynum, but if they did and weren't willing to give up some of their goods, they made a mistake IMO.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby KB24 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:26 pm

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:
KB24 wrote:To me, Dallas is a loser as well.....they didn't get anything they wanted. Kaman, Collison etc. aren't really big deals when you lose Terry and Kidd.

They lost Terry and Kidd, but added Kaman, Collison, Mayo, and Brand. I'd say they got better.
you forget Chandler, Barea.

Dallas blew their championship team to attract a new franchise player THIS off-season and it failed.
They get better at the wrong time with the wrong crew. Its worthless. They barely made the playoffs last year, they are not close to go anywhere except a first or second exit.

Actually I like Denver better now...lal, okc, sas and den. Dallas is 5th at best but Memphis and Clippers are also in the mix and the Clippers added Odom, Billups is healthy again etc.

it doesn't matter if you get better, it matters how much you get better relative to other teams. With Denver, Clippers, Lakers, etc. all getting much better, Dallas getting moderately better doesn't get them any closer than before.
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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby The Original 81 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:14 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Loser....

Cavs - They had a chance to pair Kyrie/Bynum with Waiters and cap space (Seeing as how the actual deal went down, they might not have had to take back much in terms of bad contracts). Instead of being an instant force and competitive team for the future, they are stuck being the Cavs, lottery bound with no hope of making any noise in the playoffs and will continue with the suck, lottery pick, rinse repeat they have been accustomed to.

Who knows how realistic it was for them to get Bynum, but if they did and weren't willing to give up some of their goods, they made a mistake IMO.


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Re: Rank the Off-Seasons Winners and Losers

Postby Shadow on Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:49 pm

Im surprised no one is mentioning Miami as a winner. Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis were good signings in my opinion.
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