Raptors and Grizzlies Moving Closer To Rudy Gay Deal

Raptors and Grizzlies Moving Closer To Rudy Gay Deal

Postby Kobe8Fan on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:21 pm

Sources: Grizzlies Explore Rudy Gay Trade Scenarios

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By Zach Lowe on January 4, 2013 1:00 PM ET

A lot has changed since the Grizzlies started the season scoring at a top-10 rate and looking like a legitimate title contender. Their offense has stalled out, falling to 19th in points per 100 possessions, and three other Western Conference contenders — the Spurs, Clippers, and Thunder — have settled in at a slightly higher level than Memphis. If Memphis can only squeeze a league-average offense out of this group, they’ll grade out as more of an “absolutely everything has to go right” fringe contender than a true title threat.

Those who subscribe to "The 5 Percent Theory” believe such fringe powers should go for it anyway, since very few teams each season even reach 5 percent territory. But the Grizzlies are about $4 million over the luxury tax, staring at a very expensive four-man core that, if left intact, could take Memphis over the tax line in this season and the following two. Three straight tax seasons wouldn’t trigger the dreaded repeater tax penalties, but that path would hamstring Memphis’ roster-building flexibility during those three years and could put the repeater penalties in play if the Grizz cross the tax later.

All of this explains why Memphis, over the last few weeks, has made it known in preliminary talks with other teams that Rudy Gay could be available via trade, according to sources around the league. Memphis also has a brand-new ownership and a revamped front office; John Hollinger and Jason Levien are in, longtime personnel gurus the Barones are out, and Chris Wallace’s current level of power as holdover GM is unclear. They can also cite their exciting 2011 playoff run without Gay, though that run involved a superhuman performance from Zach Randolph, a very good matchup in San Antonio, and a much deeper wing core with actual shooters.

Trading Gay will be hard. He makes a ton of money, and the Grizzlies, flush with productive big men, will almost certainly need to find another perimeter player in order to placate fans and (in theory) maintain their 5 percenter status. Memphis isn't necessarily shopping Gay at this point, since they're already very good and could cut salary in other ways; there's a long, long way to go before the trade deadline on February 21 — and before Memphis becomes a multi-year tax team.

The very best Gay deals would accomplish all of these things — get Memphis under this year’s tax line, keep them at about their current level within the league’s hierarchy, and clean up the future cap sheet a bit.

The Sensible Candidates

Minnesota Timberwolves

This might be the easiest fit on the board. Minnesota has plenty of cushion between its current cap level and the luxury tax. They also have Andrei Kirilenko, a tweener forward on a semi-expiring $9.8 million deal, and a bunch of interesting pieces in the $4 million-$5 million range. It’s very easy to build a Minny-Memphis trade around Kirilenko/Gay that gets Memphis under the tax and provides either an intriguing high lottery pick (Derrick Williams) or a useful guard to round out the Grizz’s rotation (Luke Ridnour, J.J. Barea). Memphis would have to send out a cheap piece, such as Tony Wroten, in some scenarios, and the Grizz could also ask Minnesota to return a Memphis 2013 first-rounder originally sent to Houston for Shane Battier.

It’s not a no-brainer for Minnesota, obviously. Gay has gotten better as a cutter, but he’s still a ball-dominator at heart with a “blah” efficiency level, and such players aren't exactly Rick Adelman types — especially not with Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love around to dominate the ball. Bringing in Gay’s giant contract, which runs through 2014-15, would also make it hard for the Wolves to re-sign Nikola Pekovic at a fair number this summer. The Wolves could simply stand pat and have a decent chunk of cap room, assuming they end up voiding the second year of Brandon Roy’s deal.

So why even think about it? Minnesota, as of now, would only get that theoretical chunk of cap room if Kirilenko declines his $10.2 million option for next season in hopes of landing a longer-term deal at similar annual money. He’s played well enough to earn such a deal, but he’s nearly 32, and the Wolves might prefer to trade him rather than watch him walk or pay him big money into his mid-30s. If they shed Barea’s long-term contract in the Gay deal, Minnesota could build around the Rubio/Love/Gay/Alexey Shved core through 2014-15 — and even have some cap flexibility in the summer of 2014 for another piece or two.

Minnesota wants to make the playoffs this season. They’re starved for wing players and overloaded at power forward. It’s worth thinking about, especially if the Wolves could get a second cheap wing along with Gay. Quincy Pondexter’s knee injury and the prohibition against Minnesota reacquiring Wayne Ellington this season complicate things, and Minnesota rightfully believes it should emerge as a very strong team once everyone gets healthy — if that happens.

Milwaukee Bucks

Other teams are trying to figure out whether Milwaukee prefers Monta Ellis or Brandon Jennings long-term, but Ellis’s semi-expiring contract could work as a “best of both worlds” centerpiece for the Grizz. Ellis doesn’t bring the reliable long-range shooting Memphis sorely needs, but he can be a productive scoring guard under the right circumstances, even if he’s sort of a super-charged Jerryd Bayless. The Grizz need some creativity off the bench, and they have plenty of defensive stalwarts to cover for one sieve. A package of Ellis and Doron Lamb works and gets Memphis under the tax. The Bucks could put seldom-used Tobias Harris in Lamb’s spot, giving Memphis a promising small forward and opening up the wing a bit more for Gay.

Small forward is already very crowded in Milwaukee, with Mike Dunleavy Jr., Marquis Daniels, and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute splitting minutes. Dealing Ellis would leave a giant hole at shooting guard, but it’s the kind of move a team in Milwaukee’s place — small market, unattractive to elite free agents — might make with the future in mind more than the present. If you can’t get an “A” star with the kind of cap room Milwaukee might have this summer, why not take a shot at an overpaid “B” star in the hope he develops into an “A-” guy on your dime? Milwaukee’s cap room for this summer depends on Ellis declining his own player option anyway, and the Bucks could make up the difference between Ellis’s deal and Gay’s by using the amnesty provision (remember that?) on Drew Gooden.

The Bucks have never liked the idea of paying Gooden (or anyone else) to go away, and my hunch is that they're not likely to get involved with Memphis here. But there might be a workable deal, especially if Gay wants out of the ultra-competitive Western Conference.

Boston Celtics

Boston has a worse per-game scoring margin than the Raptors and Pistons, and the struggles happening now are different than 2009-10 (when Boston showed early signs of greatness before falling into a malaise) and last season (when the lockout screwed everyone up). This team has earned the benefit of the doubt, especially on defense, but the front office will have to at least consider looking toward the future if things don’t improve on the court in the next month. Gay and Rajon Rondo are friends, if that matters; Rondo chooses his friends carefully.

Two things work against Boston getting involved in any Gay deal:

1. The chances of pawning Jeff Green’s terrible contract off on Memphis plummeted when Levien and Hollinger took on key decision-making roles. Finding a workable deal without Green’s contract is tricky.

2. Boston used the full mid-level exception on Jason Terry, meaning their payroll during this season cannot exceed $74.3 million — $4 million above the tax line — at any point. Boston’s payroll is at about $71.9 million, meaning they can only take on about $2.4 million in salary. Memphis needs to drop $4 million to duck the tax; simple math says Boston would have to find a third team with cap space to facilitate — unless Memphis is prepared to settle for a deal that cuts their tax payment but doesn’t get them under.

Houston, Phoenix, and Cleveland are the only teams with major cap room, and any of the three could appear as a facilitator if Memphis does move Gay. (The Cavs obviously need a small forward, but it’s hard to find a realistic fit, since Memphis’ strong big rotation minimizes the need for Cleveland’s best trade asset, Anderson Varejao).

A package of Green, Courtney Lee, and Avery Bradley works, though it only saves Memphis about $1.4 million in salary (and the same amount in tax payments). Memphis might be able to cut the rest by salary-dumping Marreese Speights or Bayless later (Speights isn’t trade-eligible until Jan. 15 and can veto any deal), and they could sell at least Lee and Bradley as helpful pieces that fill needs now and going forward. Replace Green with the cheaper Brandon Bass, and Boston would have to work a lot harder — sending out more players, and involving more teams — in order to find a deal.

Paul Pierce for Gay works straight-up, but it’s sacrilege and does not save Memphis any tax money this season.

Atlanta Hawks

Atlanta is splitting small-forward minutes between Kyle Korver, DeShawn Stevenson, and Josh Smith, with the latter shifting there in ultra-big lineups. They’ve also got an extra first-round pick in the bag via the Rockets, and the kind of shooting/wing assets that could legitimately help this season’s Grizzlies. Korver would be a floor-spacing godsend, and both teams should be able to squeeze just under the tax in a Korver/Devin Harris/first-round pick for Gay/Josh Selby deal. (Korver and Harris are both on expiring deals).

Who else is excited for a Jeff Teague/Josh Smith/Al Horford/Rudy Gay core? The downside is obviously how Gay’s $17.9 million salary for next season eats into Atlanta’s potential cap-room bonanza, but they could remedy that in two ways:

1. Include Lou Williams in the deal, in place of Korver’s expiring contract;

2. Renounce Smith’s rights at the end of the season, when he becomes a free agent, or trade him for expiring assets before then.

Losing a player of Smith’s caliber is painful, but he still carries a couple of glaring flaws, his cap hold is going to be huge, and nabbing Gay at least guarantees getting a sub All-Star in Smith’s place. The Hawks could still have Dwight Howard/Chris Paul-level cap room this summer with just Gay, Horford, Teague, and John Jenkins aboard. And it’s hard to see either Paul or Howard turning down significant money to switch teams in free agency.

Toronto Raptors

Boy, have injuries complicated things for a team that has long kicked around the idea of acquiring Gay. Jose Calderon won Kyle Lowry’s starting job when Lowry got hurt, and Calderon’s expiring $11 million deal is an easy fit in almost any 2013 mega-trade — even if the Grizzlies already have Mike Conley logging heavy time at Calderon’s position. Andrea Bargnani isn’t a fit in Memphis, but injuries to Bargnani and Jonas Valanciunas have made dealing one of the Amir Johnson/Ed Davis duo a bit dicier.

Still: It’s easy to build a number of deals that get Memphis under the tax around Calderon and spare parts on either side. Whether Gay fits next to another non-shooter in DeMar DeRozan is a fair question, but the Raptors might be in that Milwaukee boat — unlikely to land a can’t-miss foundational star in free agency, and so willing to roll the dice on a “B” guy via trade.

This also might be the ultimate litmus test for Memphis: If a Calderon-centric deal is ultimately the best one they can find ahead of the trade deadline, do they just keep Gay and try to slough off $4 million elsewhere — or just swallow hard and pay the tax?

Houston Rockets

Houston has about $7 million in cap space, though pinning down the precise number is tough after so many trades, waivers, and cuts. Houston could chase a power forward such as Smith with max-level cap room this summer, but if they’re worried their iPad campaigns will come up short again, they could use their current flexibility to snag a borderline All-Star in his prime. (And to be clear: I’m betting that “borderline All-Star” is just about Gay’s ceiling.)

A four-man package of Carlos Delfino-Toney Douglas-Patrick Patterson-Marcus Morris is right on the edge of passing cap muster (depending on Houston’s precise level of cap space to the dollar), but it would also eviscerate Houston’s power-forward rotation. That package gives Memphis some shooting, an extra power forward, and a backup point guard, though the Grizz might also request a first-rounder.

Houston could adjust by adding Cole Aldrich’s larger salary or substituting Terrence Jones for one of Morris/Patterson, though the latter course would then require some extra cap gymnastics.

The Rockets have a nice, young small forward in Chandler Parsons on a crazy cheap contract, but never count them out.

Utah Jazz

Maybe my favorite Rudy Gay wild card, even if it’s hard to find anyone around the league who thinks Utah is quite ready for such a shakeup. One caveat: Utah is only about $3.3 million under the tax, meaning the Jazz (like Boston) can’t get Memphis all the way under without finding a third team to take on a cheap Grizz player.

Utah does have an extra first-round pick from the Warriors — the same one Golden State tanked so furiously to keep last season. A package of Marvin Williams/Raja Bell/Alec Burks/Warriors pick would have to at least pique Memphis’ interest. Williams has been a bust in Utah, but he’s a solid defender and rebounder with a history of hitting corner 3's. Burks is a prospect at what will be a position of need if Tony Allen signs elsewhere this summer. You could switch Enes Kanter in for Burks as the token young Jazz man heading to Memphis, and then replace Bell with a cheaper guy, such as DeMarre Carroll.

Again: Both deals would leave Memphis $1 million or so over the tax line, meaning they’d either have to eat a smaller tax payment, get some cash from Utah, or dump someone else along the way.

Such a deal would represent a drastic change of course for Utah. The Jazz have patiently set themselves up for a summer in which they could choose between Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap, and still have max-level cap room after re-signing one of them via Bird Rights. Acquiring Gay now would soak up $17.9 million of that cap room, meaning Utah would effectively have to lose both bigs in order to be a real player at the top levels of free agency. It’s also unclear if Gordon Hayward has the quicks and shooting range to play two-guard full-time.
The (Much) Longer Shots

Golden State Warriors

They’ve long coveted Gay, according to several sources, but they lack a single appealing and tradeable large salary in order to make a deal work. They’re in almost the identical cap situation as Boston — a bit over the tax line, and prohibited from going over the $74.3 million payroll mark after using most of the mid-level exception on Carl Landry.

Sacramento Kings

Sacramento could build a number of offers around Francisco Garcia (a useful three-and-D guy on an expiring deal) and Tyreke Evans, though Evans’s lingering knee issues — he’s getting a second opinion this week — might torpedo any such talks before they start. Evans can’t shoot at all, but he’s a young wing player with an exciting skill set (if you squint hard enough) that Memphis could sell as proof of their trying to stay in contention. The Kings could also toss in Aaron Brooks as an extra ball handler, and take back Wroten and Ellington to get Memphis under the tax line.

Unfortunately, Evans is hurt, the Kings are dysfunctional, and the Grizzlies might look at Evans’s spotty record and demand another first-rounder as sweetener. The Kings already owe Cleveland a first-rounder that might not actually get to the Cavs until 2017 (thanks, J.J. Hickson!), meaning the Kings can’t really promise a future first-rounder until 2019.

New Orleans Hornets

Just saying: Eric Gordon for Rudy Gay works straight up, and if the Grizz toss in Wroten, they’d get under the tax line and snag a shooting guard who played like an All-Star once upon a time. Gordon can veto any deal until mid-July, though he famously urged the Hornets to let him sign in Phoenix during restricted free agency last summer. The Hornets are confident they can get him to enjoy playing with Anthony Davis and Ryan Anderson, though Gordon’s caution in returning from knee injuries has clearly tested the patience of some in the Bayou.

Regardless, this is about as fanciful as it gets, since no one knows what to make of Gordon right now, and his long-term deal does nothing to alleviate Memphis’ cap issues.

Denver Nuggets

Lots of folks will pitch a Gay/Iguodala-based swap, but it’s hard to see one. There’s enormous positional overlap between Gay and Danilo Gallinari, and adding Gay’s deal, which runs at least one season longer than Iguodala’s, would have Denver’s payroll in the high $60 million range through the 2014-15 season. Iguodala only makes about $1.5 million less than Gay this season, meaning Memphis would have to send out a few million more in salary to get under the tax. It’s unclear if Denver's ready to take on such added money this year.

Iguodala could also become a free agent after this season by opting out of the final year in his contract, something that would generate some cap savings for Denver, even if it would mean losing a very good player for nothing. Denver doesn't like losing very good players for nothing; witness what amounted to the sign-and-trade for Nenê.

It’s tempting to construct some deals involving Gallinari rather than Iguodala, but the salary gap is big enough that Denver would jump over the tax next season if Iguodala sticks around. This just feels like one that doesn’t work, unless Denver is confident it can dump another big piece — Wilson Chandler or JaVale McGee — in the near future.

Los Angeles Clippers

Caron Butler hasn’t actually lit it up as the Clippers’ starting small forward, shooting 42 percent, barely getting to the line, and posting a PER around 11 — well below league-average. But he's shooting better than 40 percent from 3-point range, and he's become a solid corner spot-up guy — an important skill in this offense.

Still, it’s tempting to think what the Clippers might become by flipping Butler, Chauncey Billups, and Eric Bledsoe to Memphis, and locking in Gay as their future small forward.

Problem No. 1: The Clips are only about $500,000 under the tax line, meaning any deal in which they absorb enough salary to get Memphis below the tax would take the Clips over it. They’d have to offload significant salary to one of the Phoenix/Houston/Cleveland group, and there’s a price for that.

Problem No. 2: Carrying four massive salaries, including an assumed new deal for Chris Paul, is essentially a no-go going forward. The Clips would be butting up against the tax, and likely exceeding it, every season just filling out the roster.

A Bledsoe deal feels inevitable, but it will probably come after this season (or later), and this isn’t it.

Washington Wizards

Only if the Wiz are willing to include Bradley Beal in a trade that sends out unwanted salary (Trevor Ariza, et al.). That’s not happening.

Phoenix Suns

Phoenix is in dire need of shot creation on the wing, and could toss its hand in the ring independently if it wished. The Suns have about $6 million in cap space, a few solid wing assets — especially Jared Dudley — some other movable pieces on mid-sized deals, and extra first-round picks.

Indiana Pacers

This would be an interesting theoretical if Danny Granger’s expiring contract were healthy to work as the centerpiece of a Gay deal, but even then, there are a ton of things working against a swap that would land Indy another centerpiece type. Paul George has already shifted to the three in Granger’s absence, and is doing fine. The Pacers are only about $3.5 million under the tax, and finding a two-team deal that leaves them under and drags Memphis under requires some monster cap trickery.

Landing Gay would also wipe out Indy’s potential cap room this summer, but David West’s cap hold effectively does that anyway. If they lose West outright, what happens next?

All of this amounts to a long shot, as are almost any potential deals involving a player making this much money. But Memphis will try to deal Gay, and it'll be fun to watch.


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Re: Sources: Grizzlies Explore Rudy Gay Trade Scenarios

Postby Chillbongo on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:45 pm

Interesting read.
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies Explore Rudy Gay Trade Scenarios

Postby BDG on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:40 pm

You guys want Gasol back?

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Re: Sources: Grizzlies Explore Rudy Gay Trade Scenarios

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:58 pm

Billups would go off the deep end if the Clippers traded him out in a package after all the rehab to come back, and absolutely hating that he is always the throw in piece in trades.
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies Explore Rudy Gay Trade Scenarios

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:55 am

Minnesota wants Gasol still for some reason. Let's jump on in there. Memphis goes ahead and takes whatever they want from Minnesota, let's say that Kirilenko/Williams/Ridnour idea, and we get Gay.

Memphis gets some solid pieces, Minnesota gets Gasol, and the Lakers get Gay!
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies Explore Rudy Gay Trade Scenarios

Postby juninho on Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:36 am

trade gasol for gay,waive sacre and morris sign delonte and kmart

nash/blake/duhon
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gay/artest
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a solid defensive team.
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Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

Postby Kobe8Fan on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:08 am

Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

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By Adrian Wojnarowski

The Memphis Grizzlies and Phoenix Suns are engaged in trade talks centered on forward Rudy Gay, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Grizzlies have been shopping Gay to multiple teams, and found an interested trade partner with the Suns, sources said.

There's no framework of a possible deal in place, but the Grizzlies have expressed a strong desire that any package involving Gay include Suns forward Jared Dudley and future first-round draft picks, sources said.

In an effort to avoid paying luxury tax in the short term, as well as get off the $17.8 million and $19.3 million owed Gay in the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons, new Memphis management has aggressively shopped Gay. The Grizzlies have made proposals on Gay to several teams, front-office sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Gay will make $16.4 million this year.

The Suns have been mindful of their financial state under Phoenix owner Robert Sarver, and there are still doubts within the organization they will ultimately be able to absorb the remainder of Gay's contract.

The Suns own the Los Angeles Lakers' first round picks in 2013 and 2015.

Under new ownership and management, the Memphis front office is dubious these Grizzlies are constructed to contend for the Western Conference title, sources said. Owner Robert Para has turned basketball operations over to CEO Jason Levien.

Memphis is 22-10 and presently holding the fourth seed in the West.


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Re: Sources: Grizzlies Explore Rudy Gay Trade Scenarios

Postby Balance&Options24 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:09 am

Suns in trade talks for Rudy Gay

By Adrian Wojnarowski | Yahoo! Sports – 18 minutes ago
The Memphis Grizzlies and Phoenix Suns are engaged in trade talks centered on forward Rudy Gay, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Grizzlies have been shopping Gay to multiple teams, and found an interested trade partner with the Suns, sources said.
There's no framework of a possible deal in place, but the Grizzlies have expressed a strong desire that any package involving Gay include Suns forward Jared Dudley and future first-round draft picks, sources said.
In an effort to avoid paying luxury tax in the short term, as well as get off the $17.8 million and $19.3 million owed Gay in the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons, new Memphis management has aggressively shopped Gay. The Grizzlies have made proposals on Gay to several teams, front-office sources told Yahoo! Sports.
[Also: Carmelo Anthony confronts Kevin Garnett after Knicks-Celtics game]
Gay will make $16.4 million this year.
The Suns have been mindful of their financial state under Phoenix owner Robert Sarver, and there are still doubts within the organization they will ultimately be able to absorb the remainder of Gay's contract.
The Suns own the Los Angeles Lakers' first round picks in 2013 and 2015.
[Also: Dirk Nowitzki doesn’t sound excited about the Mavericks’ future]
Under new ownership and management, the Memphis front office is dubious these Grizzlies are constructed to contend for the Western Conference title, sources said. Owner Robert Para has turned basketball operations over to CEO Jason Levien.
Memphis is 22-10 and presently holding the fourth seed in the West.
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies Explore Rudy Gay Trade Scenarios

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:14 am

Gay for Dudley and picks?...

Minny's team can provide a better package than that (although I like Dudley).

Kirilenko/Ridnour/Williams/1st. Or maybe Kirilenko/Williams/Steve Blake/1st. Something like that would be great.

Nash
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Gay
Artest
Howard

Some nice defense can be had there. And Gay is actually a nice clutch guy. He's a bit of a volume shooter and coming here would be a tough transition, but it'd definitely be a more interesting team.
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

Postby khmrP on Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:43 pm

I hope you guys dont think Gay is good defender, he's young and quick but D isn't his forte from at least when I hear/watch Mem games with their commentators.
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:53 pm

Better than what we have now though. And I'm talking about Pau, not Artest. Not to mention a change in scenery might help him shape that up. He's certainly not a bad defender.

In any case, he's a better fit for the team than what Gasol offers.
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

Postby kenzo on Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:02 pm

Pipe :man5:
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:16 pm

kenzo wrote:Pipe :man5:

Well it's at least reasonable pipe :man10:

I mean, if they're seriously discussing a trade centered around Dudley, we've GOT to be able to break that package with Minnesota.
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

Postby khmrP on Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:26 pm

if we could get AK/DWill package from Minn, I would take that then Gay. #1 it wont kill our cap situation come 2014 and 2 Ak is more of a glue guy do it all type that we need then a score 1st mentality type like Gay.
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

Postby kenzo on Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:41 pm

therealdeal wrote:
kenzo wrote:Pipe :man5:

Well it's at least reasonable pipe :man10:

I mean, if they're seriously discussing a trade centered around Dudley, we've GOT to be able to break that package with Minnesota.

I guess you can call it like that :man12:
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

Postby abeer3 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:06 pm

i fail to see why minny gives up kirilenko for anyone short of a star. he's on a good contract (it's short), and he's an underrated player in terms of his overall value. a real swiss army knife/glue guy on both ends. i'd trade pau for him plus junk in a heartbeat.

as for the phx rumor...i suppose dudley is a decent replacement given that they don't ask gay to do too much on offense. i don't like that they'd get so much less athletic on the perimeter (see lakers, los angeles), and i don't like giving up your third best player while you have hca in the playoffs.
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Re: Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:09 am

^ Well all signs point to Kahn/Adelman's love affair with Gasol. It's widely assumed that they were the ones that said they'd "trade anyone on their team for Gasol." In fact we already know that the offered Williams/Pekovic for Gasol. I'd say Pekovic is every bit as valuable to that team as Kirilenko.

In any case, the Lakers HAVE to be able to squeeze a better deal out of Minnesota than Memphis can get from Phoenix CENTERING around Dudley...
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Raptors Interested In Trading For Rudy Gay

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:18 am

Raptors Interested In Trading For Rudy Gay

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By Marc Stein
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RENO, Nev. -- The Memphis Grizzlies have not made an iron-clad decision about trading swingman Rudy Gay before the league's Feb. 21 buzzer for deals, according to NBA front-office sources.

The Grizzlies might trade him. But they might not.

The Toronto Raptors, by contrast, have definitively decided to make a real run at Gay.

The Raptors might not be able to swing a deal for him. But they'd love to.

Sources told ESPN.com this week that the Raptors -- who tried to make a play for Gay before the 2012 NBA draft -- remain seriously "interested" in the Grizzlies' leading scorer and are trying to assemble trade packages to bring the 26-year-old to Toronto after preliminary talks with Memphis.

Among the trade chips that the Raptors are believed to be dangling, in addition to draft considerations, are veteran point guard Jose Calderon (who has an expiring contract worth $10.6 million) and young big man Ed Davis.

Grantland's Zach Lowe reported last week that the Grizzlies had begun the process of letting various teams know that Gay would be available in the right deal before the annual February trade deadline. Sources consulted in Reno during the NBA's annual D-League Showcase have described the bulk of those discussions to date to be exploratory in nature, but Toronto, as part of that process, has let it be known to the Grizzlies that its desire to acquire Gay has not waned.

It was widely assumed around the league coming into the season that the Grizzlies' new ownership group, headed by majority owner Robert Pera and CEO Jason Levien, would look into moving Gay to lessen Memphis' luxury-tax obligations after this season and coming seasons.

But the Grizzlies, with their three top players all healthy for the first time in three seasons, got off to a rousing 14-3 start and, despite fading slightly to 22-10, are generally regarded as a team capable of winning the ever-competitive Western Conference.

That has led some rival teams to project that the Grizzlies, as one GM in Reno put in Tuesday, could "wait until the summer" before deciding whether they're indeed prepared to break up the Zach Randolph-Marc Gasol-Gay trio.

Yahoo! Sports reported Tuesday that the Phoenix Suns, like the Raptors, have let the Grizzlies know that they are prepared to trade for Gay by packaging swingman Jared Dudley with future first-round picks. The Memphis Commercial Appeal subsequently reported that the Sacramento Kings are also among the teams to engage the Grizzlies in preliminary Gay talks, with CBSSports.com and the Contra Costa Times reporting that similar discussions between Memphis and Golden State quickly ended when it became apparent that the Warriors would have to include the contract of Richard Jefferson to make the salary-cap math work.

The Raptors, meanwhile, tried to trade for Gay six months ago, offering up various packages headlined by the No. 8 pick in the draft (eventually used on Terrence Ross) and Calderon. The Grizzlies, still owned by Michael Heisley at the time, passed.

Word is that the Grizzlies' new regime is adamant that it won't merely try to dump salary by dealing Gay in-season if it severely weakens their team in the process. Gay, averaging a team-high 17.8 points per game but shooting a career-low 40.8 percent from the floor, is earning $16.4 million in 2012-13 and is scheduled to earn $17.8 million and $19.3 million in the next two seasons, respectively.

Said another GM: "I think keeping Gay is still on the table for them, too."


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Re: Sources: Grizzlies and Suns Talk Trade For Rudy Gay

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:26 am

Calderon/Davis is something we probably couldn't beat :man10:

Unless we can convince Minnesota to do Williams/Ridnour/Pekovic/maybe a first for Pau... I think that's nicer than Calderon/Davis.
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Rudy Gay Leaning On NBA Friends Amid Trade Speculation

Postby Kobe8Fan on Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:18 am

Rudy Gay Leaning On NBA Friends Amid Trade Speculation

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By Marc. J. Spears

OAKLAND, Calif. – Whether it’s close friend Rajon Rondo, Jarrett Jack, or other basketball colleagues, Memphis Grizzlies forward Rudy Gay has been leaning on his circle of NBA friends to get him through recent trade speculation.

While Rondo, according to Gay, is giving sound advice, the Boston Celtics guard can’t help being a little selfish.

“It’s hard to talk to [Rondo] because he is always saying, ‘We need you over here. We need you over here,’ ” Gay said. “So it’s not easy talking to him. But he’s being a friend, just telling me about keeping everything together and he makes you feel like you are still valuable.”

Gay, who is averaging 17.8 points and 5.8 rebounds, is being paid $16.4 million this season. Yahoo! Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski has previously reported that the Grizzlies have been shopping Gay to multiple teams, most notably the Phoenix Suns. By dealing Gay before the league’s Feb. 21 deadline, the small-market Grizzlies would rid themselves of the $17.8 million and $19.3 million owed to the seventh-year forward for the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons, which could ease luxury tax concerns, depending on what Memphis receives in return.

Grizzlies big men Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol have also been mentioned in trade rumors, but Gay’s name has garnered the most attention. The Grizzlies have a new owner in Robert Pera and a front office led by new CEO Jason Levien, who both sat courtside during a 94-87 victory over the Golden State Warriors on Wednesday. Grizzlies management has been calling teams to gauge interest in Gay, but no trade is imminent, a source told Yahoo! Sports.
[Also: Draft bust Greg Oden reportedly planning NBA comeback]

Gay, 26, said he would like to stay in Memphis, but added that he would be happy wherever he plays.

“I’m more than just a basketball player and wherever I am, or will be, or wherever I go, they are going to realize I’m more than just a basketball player,” Gay said. “I can give just as much as I did here, if not more.”

Gay said the biggest strain has been how the rumors have affected his family.

“People don’t understand that we do have families, we do have personal situations we have to deal with while trying to be productive on the court,” Gay said. “Your family is calling saying, ‘What is going on? What is going on?’ I just tell them, ‘Don’t worry about it.’

“That’s the biggest thing. The more people talk about it, the more I think about it, because I don’t talk about it at all.”

[Also: Jeremy Lin's marketability taking a serious hit]

Jack, a valuable reserve guard for Golden State whose been traded four times in an eight-year career, has been key in helping Gay cope with the distractions.

“There are different emotions that play into it, but I don’t think it plagues him too much,” Jack said. “Basketball is always a safe haven for all of us. He’s going to be able to focus on the task at hand and be that player we’ve seen for seven years now.”

The Grizzlies (23-10) have the Western Conference’s fourth-best record and are 2½ games behind the San Antonio Spurs in the Southwest Division. Memphis has won four of its past five games and went undefeated on a three-game road trip that concluded Wednesday. If the team stays intact, Gay believes the Grizzlies will be title contenders.

“We can’t control [what trades happen], but if [the roster’s core remains] we have a chance to be special,” he said.


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Report: Timberwolves Turned Down Trade Offer For Rudy Gay

Postby Kobe8Fan on Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:21 am

Report: Timberwolves Turned Down Trade Offer For Rudy Gay

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One minute after free agency began in July 2010, Minnesota Timberwolves president of basketball operations David Kahn reached out to the Octagon basketball group to arrange for a face-to-face visit with restricted free agent forward Rudy Gay.

A visit was agreed upon, but before Gay got on a flight for Minneapolis, he re-signed with Memphis for five years and $80 million.

Two-and-a-half years later, Gay is readily available -- mostly because the Grizzlies, barring a trade of either him or another high-priced player, will be in luxury tax purgatory.

So, this is Kahn's chance to land a player he has long coveted. But according to a league source, he turned down a trade proposal from Memphis for Gay recently.

In fact, the source insists Kahn said no immediately. It's unknown what Memphis' idea was, but since it was turned down emphatically, logic suggests it involved All-Star Kevin Love and/or center Nikola Pekovic. It's possible three- or four-team trade scenarios were discussed, too.

Until Gay is moved -- which is not a given, even though Memphis is calling many teams -- the Wolves are worth monitoring. The source said the Wolves like him, but the 2½ years and approximately $45 million remaining on Gay's contract is an issue.


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Re: Raptors Interested In Trading For Rudy Gay

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:22 am

F*** off Rondo! We need him more!
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Re: Report: Timberwolves Turned Down Trade Offer For Rudy Gay

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:25 pm

^LOL!!! Classic response. Memphis probably wanted them to include K. Love. Oh, well. Gay is only 26, athletic, shoots well, and is a decent defender. I wouldn't include Love for him in any deal, though.
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Re: Report: Timberwolves Turned Down Trade Offer For Rudy Gay

Postby SmoothOperator on Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:02 pm

I guess in this world... Gay/Love can never be. :man11:
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Re: Report: Timberwolves Turned Down Trade Offer For Rudy Gay

Postby dj vitus on Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:13 pm

Probably a package of Gay/Randolph for Love/AK/D.Will or something... that's a lot of salary. :freak2:
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