RONALD MURRAY TEARING IT UP

RONALD MURRAY TEARING IT UP

Postby FabFourLakers on Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:49 pm

This is unbelievable...this guy has come outta NOWHERE and is TORCHING every team right now! He just scored 29 points, 8 assts and 6 rebs tonight IN MINNY AND hit tha game winner to lead tha sonics to a 89-87 win over tha wolves!!!...

This guy is now avg 24.6 ppg, 5.2 rpg, and 4.8 apg!!! Those are Kobe Bryant/Vince Carter/Tracy Mcgrady numbers! And i thot he jus got lucky his first 2 games...well hes played 5 games now, and tnight he stepped up, rashard only had 11 pts as he struggled, but this murray guy is coming outta nowhere! He was tha 42nd overall pick in tha 2002 NBA draft, selected by tha bucks...man he'll definetly be most improved player if he continues this...and hey, maybe tha sonics dont need ray allen after all?
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Postby rydjorker121 on Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:53 pm

no, FabFour, hes a huge sleeper...funny how all those undersized shooting guards are... Cuttino Mobley at #42 and look what he is! Dwyane Wade now...and look for that guy, Fred Jones and willie Green, 6'4", to step up for their respective teams...they seem to have good instincts on both ends of the court..now I bet Milwaukee regrets that trade in which they also sent Ronald Murray along with Ray Allen to get Payton...that guy can be a sixth man and most improved once Ray Allen comes back..
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Postby FabFourLakers on Tue Nov 11, 2003 7:55 pm

rydjorker121 wrote:no, FabFour, hes a huge sleeper...funny how all those undersized shooting guards are... Cuttino Mobley at #42 and look what he is! Dwyane Wade now...and look for that guy, Fred Jones and willie Green, 6'4", to step up for their respective teams...they seem to have good instincts on both ends of the court..now I bet Milwaukee regrets that trade in which they also sent Ronald Murray along with Ray Allen to get Payton...that guy can be a sixth man and most improved once Ray Allen comes back..


haha i think ronald murray has secured his starting spot on tha sonics...i think tha sonics will hafto think TRADE Allen to get a big man maybe or a point guard.....
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Postby rydjorker121 on Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:03 pm

or they can move Ray Allen up to SF and Rashard Lewis at the 4 and perhaps put Vladimir Radmanovic off the bench...or they can put him on the trading block for a center or something....they need one...a package of Vladimir Radmanovic and Calvin Booth for someone like Theo Ratliff....
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Postby Roscoe on Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:17 pm

Keep Murray in the lineup and move Allen to either PG or SF...
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Postby shaqpak34 on Tue Nov 11, 2003 9:58 pm

ya, but man, each year someone breaks out!


last year it was ricky davis!

what happend to maciej lampe or whatever??


i thot he would have been a HUGE steal for us, but we got cook instead
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Postby FabFourLakers on Wed Nov 12, 2003 3:48 pm

shaqpak34 wrote:ya, but man, each year someone breaks out!


last year it was ricky davis!

what happend to maciej lampe or whatever??


i thot he would have been a HUGE steal for us, but we got cook instead


lampe is on tha IL...he'll be back 'round december...

and YES he woulda been a huge steal for us, but he also woulda been a gamble, and tha Knicks had to use part of their mid-level exception to sign him away from his spanish contract or whatever...so if u think about it, we couldnt have gotten GP if we got lampe, and if we didnt get GP we wouldnt get malone either! so its GOOD we didnt get him!
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Postby LakersGyrl2003 on Wed Nov 12, 2003 4:49 pm

Players that the opposition dont even expect to step it up do. Murray? Man... That game winner was clutch... Make it, or go to OT.. The game was in his hands, and he pulled through. He's talented, and watch out for him... Funny how the NBA markets key players, and he wasn't one of em... :man5: He's a silent threat...
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Postby JSM on Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:55 pm

this guy continues to score.

Just look at his point production this year, it's crazy:

date-10/30
vs.- LAC
result-W 109-100
Murray-24 points

date-10/31
vs.- @LAC
result-W 124-105
Murray-22 points & 7 assists

date-11/07
vs.- POR
result-W 100-82
Murray-24 points & 6 assists

date-11/09
vs.- ATL
result-L 81-91
Murray-24 points

date-11/11
vs.- @MIN
result-W 89-87
Murray-29 points & 8 assists

date-11/12
vs.- @MIL
result-W 104-99
Murray-20 points

date-11/14
vs.- @IND
result-L 78-101
Murray- 16 points (the lowest he's scored this season)

date-11/15
vs.- @CHI
result-W 98-90
Murray-26 points & 7 assists

date-11/18
vs.-MIA
result- L 98-105
Murray-31 points
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Postby rydjorker121 on Wed Nov 19, 2003 9:08 pm

jsm0331 wrote:this guy continues to score.

Just look at his point production this year, it's crazy:

date-10/30
vs.- LAC
result-W 109-100
Murray-24 points

date-10/31
vs.- @LAC
result-W 124-105
Murray-22 points & 7 assists

date-11/07
vs.- POR
result-W 100-82
Murray-24 points & 6 assists

date-11/09
vs.- ATL
result-L 81-91
Murray-24 points

date-11/11
vs.- @MIN
result-W 89-87
Murray-29 points & 8 assists

date-11/12
vs.- @MIL
result-W 104-99
Murray-20 points

date-11/14
vs.- @IND
result-L 78-101
Murray- 16 points (the lowest he's scored this season)

date-11/15
vs.- @CHI
result-W 98-90
Murray-26 points & 7 assists

date-11/18
vs.-MIA
result- L 98-105
Murray-31 points


wow...thks for the stats jsm...this guy can actually be a star with the 42nd pick..imagine if he was still in Milwaukee...imagine what gem that they let loose away...and they should have traded Pryzbilla or Sampson when they had the opportunity in the Payton-Allen trade....
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Postby JSM on Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:37 pm

since those games, we now may be wondering where in the world is Ronald Murray...the answer is...on the bench. His high scoring performances have ended, and now he is only putting up mediocre numbers. Take a look, mainly at last 4 games, throughout those games his minutes decreased and so did his point production.

date-11/21
vs.- MEM
result-L 97-98
Murray-26 points

date-11/23
vs.- WAS
result-W 88-85
Murray-21 points

date-11/25
vs.- NJ
result-L 70-93
Murray-11 points

date-11/28
vs.- @ UTH
result-L 81-98
Murray-9 points

date-11/29
vs.- HOU
result-W 95-88
Murray-12 points

date-12/3
vs.- NY
result-W 95-87
Murray-6 points
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Postby rydjorker121 on Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:49 pm

jsm0331 wrote:since those games, we now may be wondering where in the world is Ronald Murray...the answer is...on the bench. His high scoring performances have ended, and now he is only putting up mediocre numbers. Take a look, mainly at last 4 games, throughout those games his minutes decreased and so did his point production.

date-11/21
vs.- MEM
result-L 97-98
Murray-26 points

date-11/23
vs.- WAS
result-W 88-85
Murray-21 points

date-11/25
vs.- NJ
result-L 70-93
Murray-11 points

date-11/28
vs.- @ UTH
result-L 81-98
Murray-9 points

date-11/29
vs.- HOU
result-W 95-88
Murray-12 points

date-12/3
vs.- NY
result-W 95-87
Murray-6 points


well, he's still a sleeper, putting up 8-9 points a game for a 41st pick, only his second season, maybe he'll be traded...he's ineffective off the bench and there seems to be no doubt that the Sonics are willing to give back Ray Allen his starting spot.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:21 pm

tha sonics are stupid they were winning when he was starting...all of a sudden they bench him and they start losing again? hmm I WONDER

They should trade him, i bet lots of teams can use someone like him...maybe tha celtics could use someone like Flip Murray? This guy put up 20 pts in a losing effort to tha pacers tonight off tha bench...hes still capable of puttin up those numbers....i say give him back his startin spot...daniels has done NOTHING when he was inserted back into tha starting lineup...
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Postby BDG on Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:26 pm

I agree, F4L. They were WAY too quick to pull the trigger on removing his starting spot. He could have gone through a little bit of a slump there, but they should have stuck with him and shown faith in the kid.
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Postby JSM on Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:33 pm

Why did they take him out, he is playing better than Daniels. If they decide to trade him, then almost every team in the league will be making a phone call to the Sonics, because this guy is playing extremely well. And could make a huge contribution wherever he is.

If they keep him on the bench, he won't do well, because I read somewhere he didn't like coming off the bench and didn't feel as comfortable with his role.

If anyone has questions on who should start, look at this stat line for tonight's game:

Daniels-20 minutes, 2-6 shooting, 5 points
Murray-27 minutes, 6-16 shooting, 20 points
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Postby JSM on Sat Dec 06, 2003 10:57 am

here is an article I found, that answers some of our questions...like why is he coming off the bench.

Hoopsworld: Seattle Ronald “Flip� Murray told the Associated Press he was fine with his recent move to the bench telling media that he was still learning saying "I'm still just learning the game... Knowing when to take a shot and when not to, stuff like that. I've just started playing. I'm not a vet. It's going to come along, slowly but surely." Sources close to the Sonics say Flip had gotten some ego about himself and was forcing shots and not following the game plan. When it was decided Flip would come off the bench Sonics sources say there was some frustration, but he’s handled it like a professional, and that speaks volumes for a guy most had thought was a garbage toss in player. Sonics coach Nat McMillan mirrored those comments to the press saying ''He's been professional all along in the way he played when he was given the opportunity and in the way he has played and responded to being brought off the bench… I like what I see. He knows he'll get his opportunities to play.'' If Flip continues his impressive play, not only would he be a “sure thing� for the NBA’s Most Improved Player award, but possibly even Sixth Man of the Year.
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Postby BDG on Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:54 pm

Ahh thats why... he'll learn though. I haven't actually seen him play yet though.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:18 pm

i dont care what Seattle says they were WINNING when he was starting and they are NOT WINNING as much as they were when he WAS starting...

I guess they are tryin to get him used to his role when Ray Allen comes back...
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Postby rydjorker121 on Sun Dec 07, 2003 10:58 am

There are several reasons why the move was made, why Ronald "flip" Murray was moved to the bench:

1) Mark Heisler of the LA Times reports that Ronald Murray was moved to the bench because he didn't play any defense. Of course, Mark, he's a scoring machine, but still, he doesn't deserve to the moved to the bench. Just look at Antawn Jamison. It must be the fact that Murray's a undersized shooting guard--rather, he can't play the point, AKA the perfect tweener.

2) To make room for Ray Allen. Obviously Allen, listed 6'5", is better and more experienced than Ronald Murray and that he would get his time to play eventually--and play some defense that is. The Sonics are not a good defensive team and Ronald's not helping them in that respect. There are reports that Ray Allen is gonna be traded, but people, DON"T BELIEVE THAT. Both Allen and Murray can shine together, Murray's still effective off the bench, as evident with his 20 points two nights ago--even with his streaky 6-16 shooting. Still, he's useful and there is no doubt the Sonics are gonna trade him--he's a true genuine sleeper and the Bucks made that bad trade for that--just think, the Sonics would have been different with Joel Pryzbilla rather than Murray.

Now...I see that a few of my fellow CL peers have noted that Ronald Murray is happy off the bench, he knows that he's a 41st pick, and he's still young, but note that all these 6'4" guys seem to be the sleepers--Cuttino Mobley, Voshon Lenard (38 points one game), and whatevers...all these undersized shooting guards are sleepers--Juan Dixon looks crazy right now, even Dwyane Wade, and Keith McLeod (and by the way, McLeod is just a fantastic underrated player). Murray's definitely in my list of sixth man if he continually plays from the bench, and the Sonics will need to use some point even with Daniels (who recently just took Murray's starting spot, as a matter of fact, and he'd been only averaging 3 points--compared to Murray's 18-19...whoa, what's going on?) and Luke Ridnour. Daniels, as a matter of fact, probably got the favor to start because he was a pure point guard, otherwise why did the Sonics sign him over the offseason? They didn't know about this "KID" Murray, a gigantic sleeper.

Also, the New York Times recently held talks about moving Brent Barry, a guy who can play two spots....is it the young'un revolution up in Seattle? Barry can play both the point and the shooting guard, but if they can exchange him for a center, like Theo Ratliff, perhaps, they're in luck....then they can start Daniels and Murray for the time being...Vladimir Radmanovic hasn't been playing well either...trade bait? Anyway, Brent Barry is not in the Sonic's plans anymore....wait till Murray explodes one day...the guy was a scorer at college and he brought it into the table of the pro game..Seattle is not really winning but they are getting contributions...just imagine what it's like for the team if Allen is injured and they didn't have Murray, they'd be into a downfall....he's an awesomish player...
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Postby FabFourLakers on Sun Dec 07, 2003 4:25 pm

well murray had his worst game yet...

his team lost to in toronto 108-98

Murray went 0-5 in 16 minutes and had 2 TO's

tough game for him...
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Postby JSM on Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:16 pm

he made up for it tonight

He scored 27 points in 33 minutes, and shot 11-20 from the field

But they Sonics still lost to the Nets
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Postby BDG on Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:17 pm

That's amazing. He came off the bench?
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Postby rydjorker121 on Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:37 pm

yes, but Murray had a couple of defensive lapses...no surprise by a second-year soph...he let Aaron Williams fool him with a crossover....and let Kittles dunk on him
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Postby FabFourLakers on Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:18 pm

damn this kid is still gettin it done...mad props to him...
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Postby JSM on Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:37 pm

tonight he didn't have quite as good of a game

In 27 minutes, he scored 16 points, and shot 5-13 from the field.
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