Ronnie Brewer Signs With Knicks

Texas Lakers Fan · by **Texas Lakers Fan** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:55 am

Knicks continue to build backcourt, agreeing 2 terms with ex-Bull Ronnie Brewer on one-year deal, per source. Check the Hang Time Blog soon.

Source: David Aldridge

Finwë · by **Finwë** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:33 pm

They are going to be more respectable on D this season.. Kidd, Camby, Thomas, Brewer & Prigioni, good additions.

bruddahmanmatt · by **bruddahmanmatt** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:44 pm

Finwë wrote:They are going to be more respectable on D this season.. Kidd, Camby, Thomas, Brewer & Prigioni, good additions.

Wat da...they signed Pablo Prigioni? Man I am so out of the loop right now. :man10:

FabFourLakers · by **FabFourLakers** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:14 pm

Wow...Knicks have a very deep squad this year...

Chandler
Amare
Melo
Shumpert
Felton

Camby
Novak
Brewer
JR
Kidd
Pablo
K Thomas

IR
Belkman
James White
Copeland

Knicks can put out a variety of different lineups too. I like their versatility. They will be a top 5 team in the East next season.

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:28 pm

^ They were a deep team last season as well, but it just didn't work out.

The Original 81 · by **The Original 81** on Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:27 am

XXIV wrote:^ They were a deep team last season as well, but it just didn't work out.

Nope but they had the lockout excuse last year. And really the Knicks, since Melo was traded there, haven't had a full season schedule together (training camp plus 82 games). This year, no excuses.

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:21 am

XXIV wrote:^ They were a deep team last season as well, but it just didn't work out.

Yea because everyone decided to blow their knees out, get the flu and punch fire extinguishers.

The Original 81 · by **The Original 81** on Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:56 am

Doc Brown wrote:
XXIV wrote:^ They were a deep team last season as well, but it just didn't work out.

Yea because everyone decided to blow their knees out, get the flu and punch fire extinguishers.

And that as well. They had HORRIBLE luck with injuries last year. The Baron Davis one was the most ridiculous. Dude is just dribbling down the court and tears everything that can possibly be torn in his knee.

Texas Lakers Fan · by **Texas Lakers Fan** on Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:24 pm

The Knicks on paper have one of the most talented rosters in the NBA. Their problem really since they acquired Melo is a lack of chemistry. If they can solve that chemistry issue they can be a very good basketball team in 2013.

FabFourLakers · by **FabFourLakers** on Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:25 pm

I didn't think they were deep last year to be honest....this year though, their bench can literally play an entire quarter and I don't think they will miss a beat. They are 2 deep at every position. They kind of resemble the Chicago Bulls roster right now with the type of depth i'm seeing. I think we'll see the Knicks catapult themselves into the East Elite this year. If they don't, they really have no excuse.

Frank Dux · by **Frank Dux** on Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:10 pm

The east is all Boston and Miami right now. The Knicks are still pretenders. Amare and Melo do not work together, and their point guard rotation is among the leagues worst. They are pretty deep in terms of talent, and I do like what Chandler brings to the table, but I don't see them going anywhere.

second round exit.

JSM · by **JSM** on Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:55 am

Knicks have piled on the players this summer. They've added A LOT of defensive specialists, per Woodson's request I suspect -- Camby, KT, Kidd, and Brewer. Factor in Chandler and Shump, they could be very good defensively despite Melo and Amare.

If they can stay healthy, they're a top 3 or 4 in the East.

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:57 am

^ The Knicks are a very deep team but it remains to be seen if the pieces they have can mesh well together. Also, whether or not they are able to stay healthy is a concern, considering most of their players are injury prone or old.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:26 pm

I still put Miami, Boston, and probably Brooklyn ahead of them. The Pacers aren't nearly as talented, but they play as a team and they could also be better.

There's definitely some pieces there in New York though.

FabFourLakers · by **FabFourLakers** on Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:41 am

therealdeal wrote:I still put Miami, Boston, and probably Brooklyn ahead of them. The Pacers aren't nearly as talented, but they play as a team and they could also be better.

There's definitely some pieces there in New York though.

Umm, Brooklyn? Heck no. All they REALLY added was Joe Johnson....and no Brook Lopez isn't going to get them over the top either. Put the Knicks and Nets head to head...Knicks gotta be the favorites.

DWill vs Felton, Adv Nets
JJ vs Shumpert, Adv Nets
Wallace vs Melo, Adv Knicks
Humphries vs Amare, Adv Knicks
Lopez vs Chandler, Adv Knicks

Bench of Nets vs Bench of Knicks...ADVANTAGE KNICKS BY A LOT.

Knicks are deeper, more talented, and more experienced than the Nets. The Nets aren't going to suddenly be a powerhouse in the East because they added one of the most overrated SG's in the league in Joe Johnson. Knicks go 2 deep at EVERY position and can put out a VARIETY of different lineups to match up with any team. They can go big, they can go small, they can go quick, they can spread the floor, they can go post, they're extremely versatile.

Look at this depth chart for Knicks

Felton/Kidd/Pablo
Shumpert/JR/Brewer/Kidd
Melo/Brewer/Novak
Amare/Thomas/Melo/Novak
Chandler/Camby/Thomas/Amare

They can put SO many different lineups out there. They got athletic defenders, 3 point shooters, slashers, pick and roll players, pick and pop players, guys that can throw down on lobs, guys that can body up on D, guys that can protect the paint and block shots, and they definitely got TOUGHER with Felton, Kidd, Brewer, Thomas and Camby. They brought in veterans that can play and have won championships or at least been in the finals. Also, Melo is going to come into camp in VERY good shape thanks to the Olympics, so you know he's poised for a huge year (when he went to the olympics in 08, that was the year he brought the Nuggets to the WCF vs the Lakers and nearly knocked us out). This Knicks team is way deeper and more talented than that Nuggets squad. I guarantee the Knicks finish with a top 4 seed, and that they finish with a better record than the overrated Brooklyn Nets who are basically the east coast version of the stupid Clippers in terms of hype.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:25 am

FabFourLakers wrote:Umm, Brooklyn? Heck no. All they REALLY added was Joe Johnson....and no Brook Lopez isn't going to get them over the top either. Put the Knicks and Nets head to head...Knicks gotta be the favorites.

DWill vs Felton, Adv Nets
JJ vs Shumpert, Adv Nets
Wallace vs Melo, Adv Knicks
Humphries vs Amare, Adv Knicks
Lopez vs Chandler, Adv Knicks

Bench of Nets vs Bench of Knicks...ADVANTAGE KNICKS BY A LOT.

I wasn't aware that basketball was about one-one-comparisons. I suppose if this was an All-Star game, this form of comparison would make sense, but it's not. This is a team sport and just because the Knicks have more talent, I don't see why they're better than the Nets have a chance at being.

FabFourLakers wrote:Knicks are deeper, more talented, and more experienced than the Nets. The Nets aren't going to suddenly be a powerhouse in the East because they added one of the most overrated SG's in the league in Joe Johnson. Knicks go 2 deep at EVERY position and can put out a VARIETY of different lineups to match up with any team. They can go big, they can go small, they can go quick, they can spread the floor, they can go post, they're extremely versatile.

Again, talent doesn't mean success. The Knicks two main pieces are close to defensive liablities, they don't play with consistent effort outside of the offensive end of the ball, and don't have a lick of leadership ability. Yes, they have a deep roster, but all that depth means nothing if they're lead by Carmelo Anthony.

FabFourLakers wrote:Look at this depth chart for Knicks

Felton/Kidd/Pablo
Shumpert/JR/Brewer/Kidd
Melo/Brewer/Novak
Amare/Thomas/Melo/Novak
Chandler/Camby/Thomas/Amare

I know they're a deep team, I already said that and I agree. I think the Camby signing will be huge for them, maybe bigger than Kidd. It's not about depth it's about the integrity of their leaders and their dedication to winning.

If your team is lead by Carmelo Anthony, you're not going very far. If your second leader is Amar'e Stoudemire, you're not going anywhere. You picked out my point about the Nets, but didn't even look where I said Indiana might be better? If you were going to say that their depth makes them better, why not point at Indiana? They're a far worse team on paper than either New York based teams. But they play like a team and it has helped them be successful in recent years. It's not all about stats and who's on your team, it's about how you play. That's why Lithuania can take the USA to a five point game even though they are not even in the same stratosphere as far as basketball talent.

FabFourLakers · by **FabFourLakers** on Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:12 pm

You're right, i shouldn't have used the one on one comparisons...that usually doesnt tell u much. And ur right about the Pacers...I actually have them as the 2nd best team in the East....and its really more because they have a SICK starting 5 and an emerging star in Paul George (soon will be a top 5 SG) and an emerging center in Roy Hibbert.

A Melo led team isn't going anywhere huh? I think that you might have short term memory loss here...cuz a Melo lead NUGGETS team nearly knocked out the Lakers in the WCF. Keep in mind, I know melo is a lazy bum, but he's playing in the OLYMPICS this year, and he will definitely come into camp in shape this year and probably motivated than ever playing around LeBron, Durant and Kobe...all guys that have either won or been in the finals. Chandler is the Knicks leader on D, and bringing in guys like Camby, Kidd, Brewer and Thomas will further change their defensive attitude. Also, u forgot that they got Mike Woodson last year and they became one of the top defensive teams in the league under his lead....I think all these factors will lead to a much better season next year for the Knicks, plus Amare/Melo will finally have a full season together to figure out how they will play off each other. Remember, the Nets really haven't had much time playing together....and they're going to be overhyped this year and may not be able to live up to expectations. I say Knicks and Nets finish as 4 and 5 respectively...with the Heat, Pacers and Celtics as the top 3 seeds.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:20 pm

Fair enough. I just have no faith in Carmelo Anthony. He's almost 30, he's never shown an ounce of leadership, and he's supposed to carry that franchise? I mean damn, I trust Dwight far more than him and people around here crush Dwight for his maturity issues.

Will the Olympics help him? Yes. He'll be a better player because he'll be in shape. But I have no faith in the idea that he'd have a more winning outlook. Yes, he was the major cog of that Nuggets team, but he had Chauncey with him too and Chauncey is a consumate professional. He's a huge reason why the Clippers were so successful and he was probably the leading factor in why that Nuggets team was successful. Yes, the star power was with Carmelo but the team bonding was with Billups.

They'll be much better, I'm not denying that. I acknowledged that they'd be better this season. I just happen to trust guys like Johnson and Williams more, that's all. That Nets team will have some real solid offensive fire-power. Can the Knicks defend that? I don't know, maybe. They could for sure. I just don't think a Melo lead team can be successful that's all.

FabFourLakers · by **FabFourLakers** on Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:36 pm

therealdeal wrote:Fair enough. I just have no faith in Carmelo Anthony. He's almost 30, he's never shown an ounce of leadership, and he's supposed to carry that franchise? I mean damn, I trust Dwight far more than him and people around here crush Dwight for his maturity issues.

Will the Olympics help him? Yes. He'll be a better player because he'll be in shape. But I have no faith in the idea that he'd have a more winning outlook. Yes, he was the major cog of that Nuggets team, but he had Chauncey with him too and Chauncey is a consumate professional. He's a huge reason why the Clippers were so successful and he was probably the leading factor in why that Nuggets team was successful. Yes, the star power was with Carmelo but the team bonding was with Billups.

They'll be much better, I'm not denying that. I acknowledged that they'd be better this season. I just happen to trust guys like Johnson and Williams more, that's all. That Nets team will have some real solid offensive fire-power. Can the Knicks defend that? I don't know, maybe. They could for sure. I just don't think a Melo lead team can be successful that's all.

Think of it this way....has a D-Will led team been MORE successful than a Melo-led team? I think that he scratched the WCF once and that was only because the Warriors upset the Mavs in the first round....but since then, he hasn't gotten past the 2nd round I believe...and Joe Johnson, has he led a team anywhere? Not really...just 1st and 2nd round exits (and when he was with Phoenix, he was clearly not the leader). Joe Johnson is also a little bit older now. Can the NETS defend the KNICKS? I mean D-Will and G-Wall are good defenders but the rest of them are suspect. Knicks at least have a PROVEN defensive player that has been the anchor on a championship team. You wanna talk about Chauncey's impact....Chandler was about the same for the Mavs as Chauncey was for the Nuggets. He was their leader, their communicator on D, the protector of the paint, he was talking to everyone, letting them know where they need to be. With Woodson as coach, this further amplifies Chandler's impact....not to mention Camby and Kidd, both of whom have been in the finals or have won. I just see more experience on the Knicks squad, a smarter, DEEPER, more talented squad than the Nets. Not saying Nets will suck, but they just won't be as good as the Knicks. If Melo was NOT about winning, he wouldn't have ever gotten out of that first round...he woulda been T-Mac. I don't think he's T-Mac...I think the Knicks have a legitimate chance to get to the ECF against the Miami Heat (esp with the Bulls not having Rose), and I won't be shocked if it happens. Are they better than the Heat, Pacers or Celtics right now? No. Can they be better than the Pacers and Celtics? That all depends on how they mesh. But I'll take my chances on them seeing what they have currently.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:10 pm

Fair enough, we just disagree that's all. You have much more faith in Carmelo than I do. You keep giving him credit for getting out of the 1st round of the playoffs, but I think that had much more to do with Billups than anything Carmelo did.

As for the Williams comparison, no they haven't been much different actually, but I still have more faith in him as a leader. The Jazz made it to the WCF in 2008, were unlucky enough to run into us in the first round in 2009, and got us in the 2nd round in 2010. They lost all three times to the conference champ, distance in the playoffs is a little decieving in that case.

Melo is actually very similar to McGrady as far as post-season success. Outside of the year they made it to the Conference Finals the Nuggets since drafting him in '03 had a playoff record of 4-20 and had never made it out of the first round. They trade for Billups and in the '09 playoffs they go 10-6 and lose to us in WCF.

FabFourLakers · by **FabFourLakers** on Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:43 am

therealdeal wrote:Fair enough, we just disagree that's all. You have much more faith in Carmelo than I do. You keep giving him credit for getting out of the 1st round of the playoffs, but I think that had much more to do with Billups than anything Carmelo did.

As for the Williams comparison, no they haven't been much different actually, but I still have more faith in him as a leader. The Jazz made it to the WCF in 2008, were unlucky enough to run into us in the first round in 2009, and got us in the 2nd round in 2010. They lost all three times to the conference champ, distance in the playoffs is a little decieving in that case.

Melo is actually very similar to McGrady as far as post-season success. Outside of the year they made it to the Conference Finals the Nuggets since drafting him in '03 had a playoff record of 4-20 and had never made it out of the first round. They trade for Billups and in the '09 playoffs they go 10-6 and lose to us in WCF.

True. I do think that D-Will is the better player, and better leader...but Carmelo has a better team around him than D-Will. I think he has so many guys that have been there, done that, it's exactly what the Knicks needed. Guys that will tell Melo to shut up, or straighten up. But I mean the Knicks have at least been a playoff team the last 2 yrs while the Nets have been atrocious....and for them to make a huge leap into the top 3 in the East like you originally stated, I don't see that happening just with the addition of Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez being healthy. I just feel that whatever the knicks lost depth-wise in the Melo trade, they gained it ALL back and MORE with Kidd, Felton, Brewer, Camby, and Thomas, while keeping JR and Novak as FA's (obviously I think keeping Lin would have helped too).

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Wed Aug 08, 2012 8:53 am

I suppose that's true. Jumping that high for Nets will be tough. I just feel that when your leader is a PG it's
Easier to have your team chemistry start to click. Whereas for New York I feel chemistry is a huge issue when your leader is Carmelo Anthony.

But I think we both agree that their roster is MUCH improved and on paper looks very, very good.

bruddahmanmatt · by **bruddahmanmatt** on Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:54 am

The fact of the matter here is that the Nets and the Knicks both suck...or at the very least, are nowhere near as good as their owners would want you to believe they are. Joe Johnson and Amar'e Stoudemire probably combine for the two worst contracts in the league as far as production:salary is concerned, and both team's best players are questionable come postseason. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see one of those teams make the ECF next season, but that has more to do with the fact that the East just plain blows.

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