LooN3y wrote:i wouldn't even compare Kobe and duncan, there is no argument.
Kobe would of never got bronze or silver in international competition.
the argument on first take about kobe vs duncan is just completely ridiculous and fair-weather fans will actually believe there is an argument on that.
Actually, go to any non-Laker board, and a majority might argue Tim over Kobe. And that was even before this season. I'm having Kobe ahead of Duncan myself, but it's close. Kobe was more skilled and his peak was longer. People who are fond of advanced stats and effeciency will favour Duncan.
I really wouldn't say it's as much Lakeset bias, as it is Bryant hate, outside of yellow & purple forums. And advanced stats and efficiency say that The Admiral's a top 15 player ever, so it gets tricky in utilizing advanced stats and such to form points of view. I could sit here all day, and list all the contradictories with every advanced stat, and prove how full of **** they are, but I'd prefer not to derail the thread.
Anyways, I'm not seeing how it's particularly close. Bryant's been the closest thing to Jordan, and has actually been the face of the league, and consensus best player in the game from '06-'10. Duncan's a legend in his own right, but like another poster briliantly put it, he's only been elite/dominant for brief stretches, and has never been the best player in the league/face of the league. Folks like to mention how Duncan's "underrated" due to the small market he plays in, and how he also gets underrated due to lack of substance, but the truth is, that same small market's also helped to mask the black marks on his resume, such as the '13 Finals, game 6 only scoring 5 points after halftime I believe, the game 7 missed lay-up immediately being swept under the rug, his 2004 disaster, losing with HCA six times.
Karl Malone was his equal early on, during his 1st MVP, O'Neal was still the best player in the league (although Duncan certainly closed the gap) and in '03, I'd say Kobe was the best player in the game, with his 1st Team defense, and his historic scoring clinics. '04 Garnett held that title, he has a miserable Olympic showing, getting outplayed by his bench player, bring home silver, and from there it's injuries and a reduced role/minutes. He wins a ring Joe Dumars-style this year, and everyone wants to go crazy, lol. He's definitely a top-10 player all-time, but when the 00's are looked back on, I believe Kobe and Shaquille are the quintessential forefront of the decade, with Duncan being somewhere between them and Garnett.