Sheed headed to the BIG-APPLE?

Sheed headed to the BIG-APPLE?

Postby Shaq Fan on Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:03 pm

Man, I just heard about this trade that may go down in the next few days:


New York gets:

Darius Miles
Rasheed Wallace

Cavs get:

Kurt Thomas
Damon Stoudamire

Portland gets:

Keith Van Horn
Zydrunas Ilgauskas


Can anyone tell me if this rumor would even work, or if you also heard about it?

Thanks.

I think it would be good for all teams, Blazers get rid of all the trouble.
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Postby SWOL on Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:39 pm

sounds like portland is giving up the farm for nothing, i dont see it
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Postby Shaq Fan on Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:06 pm

This would be their line-up and it sounds good to me swol:

Ilgauskas
Zach
V.H.
Wes
Anderson

Dale Davis as back-up Center is not bad, I think the chemistry would be their as well.

BTW: Would the deal be capable of being pulled off?
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Postby FabFourLakers on Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:31 pm

no shaqfan it wouldnt work
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Postby Shaq Fan on Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:13 pm

FabFourLakers wrote:no shaqfan it wouldnt work


why not??
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Postby JSM on Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:26 pm

wow it is actually financially possible:

New York trades: SF Keith Van Horn (16.8 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 34.7 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.7 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 33.5 minutes)
New York receives: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
SF Darius Miles (9.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.2 apg in 24.7 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -2.5 ppg, -5.5 rpg, and +1.2 apg.

Portland trades: SF Rasheed Wallace (16.8 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.7 apg in 38.6 minutes)
PG Damon Stoudamire (12.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 37.9 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Keith Van Horn (16.8 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 1.7 apg in 33 games)
C Zydrunas Illgauskas (14.3 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 1.4 apg in 39 games)
Change in team outlook: +1.4 ppg, +4.9 rpg, and -5.3 apg.

Cleveland trades: C Zydrunas Illgauskas (14.3 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 1.4 apg in 29.5 minutes)
SF Darius Miles (9.2 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.2 apg in 24.7 minutes)
Cleveland receives: C Kurt Thomas (11.7 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 39 games)
PG Damon Stoudamire (12.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 37 games)
Change in team outlook: +1.1 ppg, +0.6 rpg, and +4.1 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED
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Postby JSM on Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:30 pm

this would be a huge trade, if it happened. And would benefit all 3 teams

NY-Thomas would get both guys he wants. And would be hailed the best GM in the league to be able to pull something like that off.

Port
-they would be getting rid of some of their troubled players for guys with class, and one of them is a young big man. That something they need, since Davis isn't getting any younger

Clev
-this would let them get rid of Miles, who Silas isn't too fond of. And the get a legit pg, which would allow them to finally move Lebron up to sg. And Kurt would give them some needed toughness (Boozer and Thomas would be a tough frontcourt)
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Postby FabFourLakers on Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:19 pm

Shaq Fan wrote:
FabFourLakers wrote:no shaqfan it wouldnt work


why not??


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Postby ZenMaster4President on Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:04 am

Cavs will not make that :
1. Silas would not want Mighty Mouse anywhere near LBJ - he'll teach him to ... ( you all know what )
2. Tomas is good - i would die to see him a Laker - but is Cavs in the need of a big man? ( Boother and Battie )
Pau Gasol yesterday morning when asked about Dwight Howard: "I haven't called. Calls are expensive."
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Postby JSM on Sat Jan 17, 2004 12:19 am

yes, because Kurt Thomas is tough, the type of guy you want on your team for playoff situations. He would add toughness and better rebounding ability for this young Cavs team
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Postby Shaq Fan on Sat Jan 17, 2004 1:30 pm

So that rumor I heard may be true, if it is financially possible.
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Postby JSM on Sat Jan 17, 2004 3:36 pm

it is financially possible, just look at my post a few posts above
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Postby rydjorker121 on Sat Jan 17, 2004 4:16 pm

Good lookout jsm...but that would be incredibly STUPID to pull the trigger on that one...c'mon, Isiah won't want to get Ilgauskas when he has all these guys he can use...no more trades, please, Isiah. I can write a full-fledged one-page letter to his office and explain the reasons, and I don't expect any more trades. Darius Miles is good but won't fit in the rotation because he needs to hone his jumpshot, and thats not what Isiah needs. Ilgauskas is just another big man...sigh...and there's still a lot of talent even in the bottom of the Knicks roster, Doleac, Sweetney, Moochie Norris, Othella Harrington...they have a good team and lets see if Lenny Wilkens can handle the lineup correctly and gain some wins first before talking any more about trades.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Sat Jan 17, 2004 4:26 pm

yea seriously keep all these guys together...mutumbo can control tha paint on defense and get boards both offensively and defensively...kurt thomas is their post up player and van horn is their inside-outside guy...allan houston is their clutch player and marbury is tha general of this team...and then u got a solid bench led by hardaway anderson harrington norris f. williams doleac and young rookie michael sweetney....knicks have a bright future and a bright PRESENT..did that make sense? anyway i think they will make tha playoffs...hopefully boston and milwaukee start losing games cuz i dont want tha sixers to miss tha playoffs
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Postby Shaq Fan on Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:08 pm

jorker, this trade has Zy going to Portland, not NY.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Sat Jan 17, 2004 10:48 pm

well u can forget about sheed goin tot ha apple...looks like hes goin to Dallas for Abdul Wahad and Jamison
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Postby JSM on Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:47 am

a recent report says that Sheed would rather play for the Knicks than the Mavs, I wonder if this will weigh in which team he ends up with (Mavs or Knicks)
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Postby FabFourLakers on Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:51 am

jsm0331 wrote:a recent report says that Sheed would rather play for the Knicks than the Mavs, I wonder if this will weigh in which team he ends up with (Mavs or Knicks)


its not like sheed gets to choose where he goes...tha blazers will trade him to tah damn hawks for all they care...
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Postby JSM on Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:55 am

It's weird that you mention the Hawks
New York Post: Atlanta sources disclose the Hawks' incoming owners have ordered GM Billy Knight to dump as much salary as possible mucho pronto.

A few days ago, the Hawks were unwilling to swap Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($13.5M/$14.6M) and throw-in Chris Crawford ($3M/$3.2M) for Rashweed. That's hardly true any longer. The Blazers would be able to justify picking up an extra year on both of those contracts, I submit, because they can sell Shareef's statistics (20.7 points/ 8.5 rebounds over seven seasons before this one) and his police record is spotless.
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Postby JSM on Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:58 am

back to the Knicks though-
here is that article about him wanting to go to NY
New York Daily News: A former teammate of Rasheed Wallace says that the Portland power forward is intrigued by the possibility of joining the Knicks.

"Who wouldn't love it?" said Bulls guard Rick Brunson, a former Knick. "The more he keeps hearing about the Knicks the more he wants it to happen. But nobody knows what Portland is going to do."

The Knicks likely would have to trade Keith Van Horn to make a deal work for Wallace, although the Blazers would prefer to have Kurt Thomas included in a potential swap.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Sun Jan 18, 2004 11:58 am

jsm0331 wrote:It's weird that you mention the Hawks
New York Post: Atlanta sources disclose the Hawks' incoming owners have ordered GM Billy Knight to dump as much salary as possible mucho pronto.

A few days ago, the Hawks were unwilling to swap Shareef Abdur-Rahim ($13.5M/$14.6M) and throw-in Chris Crawford ($3M/$3.2M) for Rashweed. That's hardly true any longer. The Blazers would be able to justify picking up an extra year on both of those contracts, I submit, because they can sell Shareef's statistics (20.7 points/ 8.5 rebounds over seven seasons before this one) and his police record is spotless.


wow looks like ive been nailing everything lately...first i said tha trade between DAL and POR isnt gonna happen...now i jus mention tha hawks and they coudl get rasheed...i mean if i were tha blazers i would jump at Shareef...i mean he hasnt really done anythin but hes still young and he could get a chance to shine with Randolph...
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Postby JSM on Sun Jan 18, 2004 4:39 pm

NY could get Sheed without trading away Van Horn, and I don't see why the Blazers wouldn't agree to it...take a look:

New York trades: C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 13.4 minutes)
PG Moochie Norris (3.4 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 13.9 minutes)
SF Shandon Anderson (8.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.2 apg in 24.1 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.6 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 33.4 minutes)
New York receives: C Vladimir Stepania (2.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 11.1 minutes)
SF Travis Outlaw (0.8 ppg, 0.5 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.8 minutes)
SF Qyntel Woods (4.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 14.0 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (17.0 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.8 apg in 38.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -2.1 ppg, -3.1 rpg, and -1.4 apg.

Portland trades: C Vladimir Stepania (2.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 0.6 apg in 11.1 minutes)
SF Travis Outlaw (0.8 ppg, 0.5 rpg, 0.0 apg in 1.8 minutes)
SF Qyntel Woods (4.6 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 0.9 apg in 14.0 minutes)
SF Rasheed Wallace (17.0 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 2.8 apg in 38.5 minutes)
Portland receives: C Michael Doleac (4.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 34 games)
PG Moochie Norris (3.4 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 2.0 apg in 37 games)
SF Shandon Anderson (8.0 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 1.2 apg in 42 games)
C Kurt Thomas (11.6 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 2.0 apg in 41 games)
Change in team outlook: +2.1 ppg, +3.1 rpg, and +1.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


That way they can keep Van Horn and still get what they want. The Blazers have said they would rather have Kurt Thomas than Van Horn. Anderson is no longer needed, with the addition of Penny. Thomas is eventually going to have to decide between Norris and Williams, and Thomas seems to be pretty high on Williams. Also, the Blazers have been trying to get rid of Woods, and this would give them the chance to. And we all know why Thomas wanted Miles...to bring excitement back into the Garden, well Woods and Outlaw=a Miles type.

Look at what the Knicks line up would look like if this happened:
Deke/Stepania
Sheed/Harrington
Van Horn/Woods/Outlaw
Houston/Penny
Marbury/Williams

that would be one of the best teams in the league, and definitely in the East
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Postby Kobe834 on Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:24 pm

I don't think Dallas will benifit from making anymore roster changes right now. The reason why they are losing is because so many roster changes are going on and thus, leaving no time for their team to gel or build any chemistry.
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Postby FabFourLakers on Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:01 pm

Kobe834 wrote:I don't think Dallas will benifit from making anymore roster changes right now. The reason why they are losing is because so many roster changes are going on and thus, leaving no time for their team to gel or build any chemistry.


yes i agree on that...but i think tha main reason why dallas wasnt winning is cuz their infamous "Big 3" had a hard time adjusting to tha 'Twans...walker and jamison...i mean walker and jamison were doing their part...but nash finley and nowitzki werent...i think they are finally coming together...if they can string ac ouple of wins together..maybe get a 7 or 8 game winning streak...hey they will be right back in tha race for #1 in tha west....they have alll tha talent in tha world to do it...i think now finley nash and nowitzki are gellin with tha twans...even tho nash is injured right now...he had a monster game in new york...once tha "big 3" adapts to tha way tha twans play...they will be jus like last year

and that knicks/blazers trade sounds pretty good...tha blazers gotta do something tho...they have lost 5 straight now...they need a new look...jus blow tha whole thing up...get wallace and stoudemire out of there...trade stoudemire to atlanta for terry and another player, trade wallace and a couple others to NY for Kurt Thomas Anderson Norris and Doleac...jus BLOW tha team up...but damn NEW YORK would be a power house with marbury houston van horn wallace and mutumbo...i think all 5 of those guys have been all stars? maybe not keith van horn but i know tha other 4 have been....
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Postby rydjorker121 on Mon Jan 19, 2004 12:00 pm

Shaq Fan wrote:jorker, this trade has Zy going to Portland, not NY.


doesn't matter...that would be stupid..too, taking on Zydrunas when he just threw a punch at Ostertag? Guess he's fit to be a JailBlazer, if anything I believe John Alexsson Nash would look to avoid players with bad behaviors...isn't Dale Davis and Stepania good enough?
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