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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:44 am

Pau for Smoove doesn't work for several reasons IMO.

1. It creates a hole in our lineup behind Dwight.

2. Smith would whine about coming off the bench.

3. Given what it took to get Kobe to become a more willing passer, I'm struggling to think how hard it'd be to get Josh to change his chuckster ways.

4. You've just taken minutes away from one or more of Clark, Metta and 'Tawn.
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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby gcclaker on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:18 am

^Points 3 and 4 for the win.
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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:23 pm

Counter to 3: if he's best friends with Dwight and Dwight is buying in, I think he can get Josh to do the same.

Counter to 4: Start Nash/Bryant/Artest/Smith/Howard and have Clark off the bench. We'd need to probably find another body to take over the official backup 5 spot, but we can always run small ball.
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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby gcclaker on Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:56 pm

therealdeal wrote:Counter to 3: if he's best friends with Dwight and Dwight is buying in, I think he can get Josh to do the same.

Counter to 4: Start Nash/Bryant/Artest/Smith/Howard and have Clark off the bench. We'd need to probably find another body to take over the official backup 5 spot, but we can always run small ball.

Counter to Counter to 3: Possible... It will take time for him to adjust and might not be favorable if he is down the totem pole. All about attitude...Howard is at least amiable. Maybe I'm wrong but isn't Smith easy to sour in a short time? Smith's shooting efficiency which is already shaky could even take a bigger dip. He isn't like Clark who is content to find ways to make himself effective on both ends without being fed.

Counter to Counter to 4: Looks good but I am sticking with #3 with that combination. Now we have two geniuses in Smith and World Peace when it comes to decision making on the break? Ugh... If we do take that route, Sacre could fill in for spot minutes at the backup 5 if anything.

Counter to ALL Counters: Pau Gasol. Will he get his cabeza out of his you know what, come to realize his play and just do something? If Bryant can somehow pull him back [they are tight] then all this would be moot. Yeah, I know it is a LONGSHOT...that I'll concur.
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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:59 pm

^^All "points" are trumped by the fact he's a product of a system designed around his limited talents..... and his lack of a fundamental game will be his undoing the first time he gets an injury that in anyway limits his athletic abilities.

The proof that his game is very limited in evident if you watch his post season performances when defenses tighten up, transition opportunities dry up and games depend on BBIQ and fundamental play.

He's a great Fantasy Player but for the money we'd tie up in him and Howard we'd be in some pretty poop when Kobe retired because we'd have no money for anyone other than vet min's and a slot or two for decent role players. Neither of those two.... even combined is leading a team to a championship without some serious help.

I'd much rather trade Pau for pieces for the next year and a half along with picks to help us once we have to rebuild under the new cap. Right now I'm not sure how we'd do it...... at the end of 2014 we could just have Howard under contract and no picks or youth to develop..... If we signed another "max" player we'd have little left for the other 8 to 10 slots to get anything to help them.

This is why we need to be really careful with Pau's contract when we trade it IMO.
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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:01 pm

Roger, roger. This is victor, victor.

I think Smith is for sure not the smartest bulb in the tool box, but on the break I think he can excel. He doesn't have to handle the ball, he just has to catch it and dunk it. I don't know much about how easy he is to piss off, probably pretty easy. But if we've got his best buddy on our team we should be in good shape.

I agree that this version of Gasol is more valuable than Smith for sure. For this season he's an integral piece and the way he's playing now is EXACTLY what we all expected of him this summer. If he can keep this up, he'll stay on the Lakers until this summer.
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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby gcclaker on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:10 pm

therealdeal wrote:Roger, roger. This is victor, victor.

I think Smith is for sure not the smartest bulb in the tool box, but on the break I think he can excel. He doesn't have to handle the ball, he just has to catch it and dunk it. I don't know much about how easy he is to piss off, probably pretty easy. But if we've got his best buddy on our team we should be in good shape.

I agree that this version of Gasol is more valuable than Smith for sure. For this season he's an integral piece and the way he's playing now is EXACTLY what we all expected of him this summer. If he can keep this up, he'll stay on the Lakers until this summer.

THAT I pray... And yes, Roos, Smith is not Phi Betta Kappa when it comes to figuring out what to do with himself in half court sets when things come to a grind during the postseason. Flash no polish. All of his points are off put backs and garbage plays...stuff that Clark kid does already.
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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:58 pm

True, but Smith is a more experienced Clark. He's a more instinctive shot blocker, I'm not sure if he's good a slasher but he can learn, and he's... well no he's not a better shooter :man10:
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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby FabFourLakers on Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:45 pm

Are people seriously questioning if we should trade Gasol for Josh Smith? First off we can't even do that trade straight up, they would have to give us someone else....most likely Zaza Pachulia or Devin Harris. If we can get an athletic 4 like Josh Smith and a legit back up PG like Devin Harris, I'm all for this trade. Heck, they can probably throw in a guy like Stevenson or Morrow too....we'll see though. Josh Smith would be amazing for us, and the best part is he can guard multiple positions much like Earl Clark can do right now. Dwight will have to play a lot, but you can even go small and put Smith Clark and Jamison as our front court....Smith has played some 5 before, and both him and Clark are long and lengthy. If you have a shot at getting rid of Pau for someone who is younger, more athletic, and best friends with Dwight? You do it.
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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby noobiew on Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:05 pm

So three way deal between Lakers, Hawks and Minny coming soon ? :man4:
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Suns Explore Trade For Josh Smith

Postby Kobe8Fan on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:23 pm

Suns Explore Trade For Josh Smith

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By Alex Kennedy
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It’s no secret that the Phoenix Suns are trying to acquire a star player. Last offseason, the Suns signed Eric Gordon to a maximum offer sheet, but the New Orleans Hornets matched the contract. In recent weeks, Phoenix tried to acquire Rudy Gay, but the Memphis Grizzlies decided to send him to the Toronto Raptors instead.

Now, after missing out on Gordon and Gay, the Suns have shifted their attention to a new star that may be available prior to the Feb. 21 trade deadline.

The Suns are pursuing Josh Smith, according to multiple league sources. Phoenix will try to acquire Smith before the deadline or, if that fails, through a sign-and-trade deal next offseason.

The Suns are very interested in Smith and have had exploratory talks with the Atlanta Hawks about the 27-year-old forward. Phoenix views Smith as a franchise player who can be one of the cornerstones of the team for years to come. The Suns have been searching for a face of the franchise since Steve Nash’s departure last summer, and Smith could be exactly that. If the Hawks decide it’s time to part ways with Smith, the Suns will be one of the teams on the phone.

Phoenix has attractive assets, particularly Marcin Gortat, who could play alongside Al Horford and give the Hawks one of the best frontcourts in the Eastern Conference. They also have Jared Dudley and Michael Beasley as well as the expiring contracts of Wes Johnson, Shannon Brown (whose 2013-14 salary is non-guaranteed), Sebastian Telfair and Jermaine O’Neal. Phoenix also has several first-round picks – their own pick and two additional first-round picks that they acquired in the Nash trade with the Los Angeles Lakers and the Johnson trade with the Minnesota Timberwolves. Luis Scola could also be involved in the trade, but only if the deal is a sign-and-trade since he can’t be traded until July 1 due to the fact that he was signed by the Suns after being amnestied by the Houston Rockets.

Smith and his agent, Wallace Prather, are expected to meet with the Hawks at some point this week to discuss the forward’s future in Atlanta. The two sides met after Smith’s one-game suspension for “conduct detrimental to the team,” but Smith’s camp didn’t demand a trade. It’s unclear if Smith and Prather will ask for a trade during this next meeting, although many people in NBA circles believe that Smith’s days in Atlanta could be numbered. In recent weeks, more teams have been calling the Hawks and inquiring about Smith, especially since his public comments about being “a max contract player.”

While the Suns will express interest in Smith, they aren’t the only team that will make a run at the star forward. The Houston Rockets, Charlotte Bobcats and Dallas Mavericks have also been mentioned as potential suitors for Smith.

If the Suns trade for Smith and re-sign him over the summer, they could have as much as $20 million in cap space still left over, assuming all of their current options are declined and next year’s cap sits at $59 million as projected. That means they can add Smith and still have money to sign a second big-name free agent such as Dwight Howard or more realistic options like Monta Ellis, Andre Iguodala or Paul Millsap.

The Suns have been actively trying to acquire a star player for the last six months, and they’ll continue to swing for the fences in the weeks leading up to the trade deadline. If the Hawks decide to move Smith and get something in return for him rather than letting him walk as an unrestricted free agent over the summer, don’t be surprised if the Suns are one of the teams trying to acquire him.

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Re: Source: Expectation Growing For Josh Smith Trade

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:58 am

FabFourLakers wrote:Are people seriously questioning if we should trade Gasol for Josh Smith?



Well..... um.... yes. :man10:

If anything, the fans should have learned by now that just assembling names doesn't necessarily work.... Smith is a very limited player if he's not in the open court. He isn't much of a defender beyond blocked shots and his BBIQ is Morris like. He's not a leader or a championship team..... neither is Dwight. So tying up that much money long term between those two isn't going result in a viable championship team.... especially with what we will have left over to fill out the roster under the new CBA.
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Re: Suns Explore Trade For Josh Smith (Pg. 2)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:46 am

If the Suns want a franchise guy we've got a two time champion 7 footer. :man1:

Also, whoever gets Smith is doing it to make a run at Howard, guaranteed. That means Dallas will make a huge push here soon and Atlanta will only trade him if they get a great deal back.
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Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby Kobe8Fan on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:03 pm

Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

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The Atlanta Hawks are entertaining trade offers around the league for forward Josh Smith, but have yet to decide whether they will deal the ninth-year forward, according to league sources.

The Hawks met with Smith's representatives this week and reiterated -- as they initially offered at the beginning of the season -- that they would be willing to give Smith a three-year deal for around $47 million, according to sources. This is the maximum of what they can currently offer under the new rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Smith turned down the offer, however, saying he preferred to play out his existing contract and get a longer deal this summer.

Initially, it was believed that the Hawks had indicated they would not give Smith the five-year max contract he can receive this summer. But sources indicated Friday afternoon that the two sides have not had any discussions about the full five-year deal.

Smith, who will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution late last month that he believes he's a max player, which would mean he'd be in line for a five-year deal worth around $93.5 million from Atlanta.

But the Hawks, which expect to be major players next summer in free agency or through trades, do not want to tie up that kind of money going forward.

Smith, according to a source, is prepared to move on, outside of the contract discussions.

He has been one of the most enigmatic players in the Hawks' history, capable of incredible feats at both ends of the floor—as evidenced by his 23-point, 16-rebound performance against the Bulls in the 2011 playoffs—but also capable of driving coaches and fans crazy with his decision-making. Last month he was suspended by the team for a game for "conduct detrimental to the team," after a run-in at practice with coach Larry Drew.

Yet the Hawks have not formally decided to trade the 27-year-old Smith, who leads Atlanta in scoring and blocked shots, and is second in rebounds and assists. Team president of basketball operations and general manager Danny Ferry is in fact-finding mode now, seeing what the market is for Smith.

The website Hoopsworld reported earlier this week that the Suns had had exploratory talks with Atlanta about Smith.

If the Hawks hold onto Smith for the rest of this season, they could still trade him this summer in a sign-and-trade deal. However, the market for such trades will begin to narrow; teams $4 million or more above the luxury tax threshold, or that would become $4 million or more above the threshold by making a trade, will be prohibited from doing sign and trade deals.

The Hawks traded for signed for eight players on the last year of their contracts this summer. Five of those players came from the Nets in the deal that sent Joe Johnson to Brooklyn last July. They can clear more than $30 million in cap room by just letting those deals expire; only Al Horford and guards Lou Williams and John Jenkins are under contract for next season.

If the Hawks let Smith walk without taking any salary back, they'd be able to clear more than $40 million off their cap.

The Hawks could be a player for free agents like Dwight Howard, who is from Atlanta, or guard Chris Paul, who famously was skipped over by the Hawks in the 2005 Draft in favor of forward Marvin Williams, taken with the second pick overall that year. But if they find they can't attract a premier free agent, they might still be able to deal Smith in a sign-and-trade for an impact player under contract similar to that which they might find in free agency.


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Re: Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:28 am

No ones going to pay him max. I bet they let him walk.
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Re: Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby Congo Cash on Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:42 am

He doesn't deserve max money, and anyone who gives him that is dumber than him...
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Re: Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:11 pm

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Re: Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:27 pm

I don't see what Atlanta would want from Brooklyn. They're not stupid enough to give their whole core to another rival in the east.
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Re: Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby strikemode14 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:52 pm

Max contract for Smith
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Re: Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby Lakerjones on Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:56 pm

strikemode14 wrote:Max contract for Smith
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He is on some serious drugs


^^ Totally. I'd be pretty damn unwilling to give him max just like Hotlanta. Can't say that I'm a big Smith fan.
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Re: Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:09 pm

Deron Williams & Joe Johnson already making a ton of money along with Lopez; if you're the Nets, are you willing to hand out another Max contract to Josh Smith? Hypothetically, would a lineup of Williams, Johnson, Lopez, Wallace, & Smith beat the Heat? That's a lot of money invested...
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Re: Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:33 am

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Re: Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:12 am

dwighthowardsdad wrote:Deron Williams & Joe Johnson already making a ton of money along with Lopez; if you're the Nets, are you willing to hand out another Max contract to Josh Smith? Hypothetically, would a lineup of Williams, Johnson, Lopez, Wallace, & Smith beat the Heat? That's a lot of money invested...

Money isn't a priority when your owner is a member of the Russian mafia.

I just don't see what they give to Atlanta for him. And I think the Nets are looking at this saying "we'll bring Dwight's best friend and tell him to demand a trade here."

That's what I'm reading.

If I'm Houston I give up everything they ask for Josh outside of Harden and Lin. Take whatever else you want from my team. Patterson, Parsons, any of the 13 guys no one can name.

Try to convince Dwight to sign in the off-season and then have Smith sign after him using his bird rights. Very expensive, but they'll have a rock solid team in the West.
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Re: Source: Hawks Unwilling To Give Max Contract To Josh Smith

Postby abeer3 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:20 am

if i'm houston, i keep asik, too. he's been a bargain at that price. but that leaves them with little to offer. they can just overpay for smith this summer if atlanta's not willing to go max, though, which is why nj's offer may make sense. brooks is better than nothing.

and given the russian's propensity to spend, it makes sense for the nets, too. i would worry about having non-shooters at both f spots, but i'd try it if money were no object.
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Re: Sources: Nets Covet Josh Smith (Pg. 2)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:58 am

^ I'm still convinced this would be at an attempt to force Dwight's hand and have him come back to wanting Brooklyn. His best friend, New York City, new town new arena new feelings.

I think that's the direction of this. Force Dwight to force a trade again.
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