Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby Kobe8Fan on Wed May 29, 2013 11:12 am

By Ken Berger
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NBA officials are looking at several controversial calls in Game 4 of the Eastern Conference finals as they sift through the fallout from the Pacers' 99-92 victory on Tuesday night, league sources told CBSSports.com.

The most obvious missed call was a blown 24-second call against the Pacers by crew chief Joe Crawford with 8:26 left in the third quarter. Replays showed that Roy Hibbert's attempt hit the rim, which should've resulted in the shot clock resetting. The Pacers were leading 81-72 at the time, and Miami subsequently went on an 11-2 run to tie the game at 83-83.

At that point, Dwyane Wade drove for a transition layup and the basket counted on a goaltending call against Paul George. Wade was fouled by David West on the play and converted a three-point play to give Miami an 86-83 lead with 5:57 left. But league officials are looking at whether West coming down across Wade's body and hitting him in the head warrants a flagrant upgrade, sources said.

On the play that resulted in LeBron James' sixth foul, an illegal screen against Lance Stephenson with 56 seconds left, the league's preliminary review substantiates the call. James stuck his left leg outside his stance to impede Stephenson's movement around the screen.

But on an earlier foul called on James when George drove for a layup and converted a three-point play with 5:38 remaining, James appeared on replay review to have a point in his postgame assertion that he established position on the baseline and went straight up for a legal defensive play. It was a borderline play that could have gone either way, made possible only by James' ability to close quickly on George from the opposite foul line.

It is not clear whether James will be fined for criticizing the officials after the game. He was called for four fouls in the fourth quarter and fouled out for only the second time in his playoff career.

"I believe I was straight up-and-down on Paul George's drive -- the and-one," James said.

On the offensive foul against Stephenson, James said, "I don't believe it was an offensive foul. I was going to set a screen, and I believe I was stationary. ... It was a couple of calls that I didn't feel like were fouls."

Also, it remains to be seen if James and West will be fined for this, or if Stephenson will be fined for this.

Again, those who flop should expect little empathy when calls don't go their way.

Finally, a traveling call against Wade with 26 seconds left and the Pacers leading 96-92 wasn't as obvious as it initially appeared. Wade was pivoting just inside the 3-point line when he picked up his dribble and moved both feet beyond the line. But when a player gathers his dribble, he is permitted to take two steps to jump stop. This is usually done when the player is moving forward, but the interpretation should be the same in this case, when Wade gathered his dribble and essentially jump-stopped in reverse.

Only the 24-second call was obvious enough to warrant a public acknowledgement of error, but even that doesn't fit the late-game, deciding-play template that has been established for such admissions from the league. (And anyway, everyone already knows it was a blown call, so there's little value in a public admission.)

The referees -- in this case, Joe Crawford, Rodney Mott and Derrick Stafford -- review every call and no-call in a game with the league's officiating department to evaluate their accuracy. Every flagrant foul also is reviewed for potential upgrade or downgrade, as well as notable common fouls that may warrant flagrant upgrades on review.

The NBA issued a public explanation of a correct goaltending call on the last play of Houston's 101-98 victory over Phoenix on April 9. The league last publicly acknowledged a blown call when it stated that Minnesota's Ricky Rubio should have been awarded three free throws on a 3-point attempt when fouled by Kobe Bryant in the Lakers' 120-117 victory over the Timberwolves on March 27.

The fallout from Game 4 -- and the Pacers' gritty effort to even the series at 2-2 after getting blown out in Game 3 -- sets the stage for potentially the most compelling game of this postseason in Game 5 on Thursday night in Miami. In the conference semifinals last year, the Pacers went to Miami with the series tied at two games apiece and lost three straight as the Heat advanced to the conference finals.

It also sets the stage for the focus to be on the officiating, where it doesn't belong. This series is too compelling, the players too talented and the teams too evenly matched for anything other than the competition to be in the spotlight.

Is that too much to ask?


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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed May 29, 2013 11:25 am

Funny when the Heat aren't getting the obvious calls in their favor it is a big thing. Weird. The Pacers got some benefit of the calls but the Heat benefit more than any other team outside of the OKC Thunder.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby gill on Wed May 29, 2013 12:10 pm

Meh. I don't really put much stock into league's after-action reviews for officiating. Do the refs even get punished? Maybe if Stern and Jackson start suspending these refs for blown calls like MLB did with their umps then maybe it'll some merit. Until then, it's just talk.

As far as the game went last night, as I said in the ECF thread, officiating was just downright horrible for both sides. Too many touch fouls here and there, idiots keep falling for flops (Battier is a big offender), and that 24-second violation that sparked the Heat run was just downrigh awful. I was really getting upset at that officiating crew until I looked at who was the head ref and it was none other Joey Crawford. Of course it'll end up being all about him and his cronies.

My only surprise really is it's the Heat who got the worse of the whistles down the stretch. I mean... Lebron James freakin' fouled out! Something I thought I'd never see again!
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed May 29, 2013 2:07 pm

Bill Plascke: The officiating cost the Heat... They shouldn't allow players (especially like Lebron) to foul out. :man3:

Is it me or is it only because Lebron actually fouled out a game that this is a major thing? Why has their been no conversation on why the officials refuse to call fouls on the King in the first place?
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby Finwë on Wed May 29, 2013 2:23 pm

LOL @ that Lebron - West double flop.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby Weezy on Wed May 29, 2013 2:40 pm

LMAO oh no LeBron's not a flopper at all. :man10: Will he get fined for that, not bloody likely. And yeah, Heat lose, the entire game officiating warrants review. :man10: That's exactly what this series needs, more help from the refs for Miami, a greater emphasis on the refs to look for calls to make in Miami's favor, you know just so everything is evened up and fair. Oh NBA you are good for a laugh these days.

And some people here ask "why hate on LeBron", well other than the media's constant slurping of the guy as the greatest thing ever, this is why

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I'd guess that you would have a hard time scouring the internet to find a gif of Kobe or MJ doing anything close to this. Plays like this are why I hate on him, he's a clown at times when he doesn't need to be, he should be above that.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Wed May 29, 2013 2:50 pm

Oh now we're doing something about officiating? Really? Seriously?
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 29, 2013 3:04 pm

The game was an equally crappy reffed game.

The 3 major calls in the game that had the biggest impact on outcome were....

1.) Shot clock issue - Turned a potential 11 point lead for the Pacers into a momentum swing for the Heat.

2.) Wade's travel - Questionable call, I don't think it was a travel, it just looked very odd since Wade took so long to gather on his hop back.

3.) Lebron's screen - It was a moving screen. He tripped the primary defender guarding the guy on the ball. If that was off the ball, it probably doesn't get called. But you can't just blatantly trip the primary defender and get a no call, it has too much impact on the play.

One thing about Lebron fouling and the outrage that people don't realize, is that he's playing PF against a team with physical bigs. He's not out floating on the perimeter, he's in the dogfight down low and fouls are going to called because that's what always happens when bigs battle regardless of the player.

The Heat lost because their role players played like doo doo, Bosh couldn't rebound, couldn't score, couldn't play defense, Wade is looking pretty average and the biggest thing is THE PACERS WON that game.

The Pacers made the plays to win, the Heat didn't.

Now go back to being cry babies ESPN, Heat. You lost a terribly officiated game not because of the refs, because you didn't make enough plays to win, the Pacers did. End of story.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby LakerFanIam on Wed May 29, 2013 3:05 pm

Finwë wrote:LOL @ that Lebron - West double flop.


I wouldn't call that a "double flop". West got hit in the face when Lebron flailed his arms & then West tripped over Lebron who was on the floor.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 29, 2013 3:25 pm

Weezy wrote:And some people here ask "why hate on LeBron", well other than the media's constant slurping of the guy as the greatest thing ever, this is why

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It's OK to use my name..... :man10:

Also if you're calling out one flopper how does an impartial viewer miss the other?..... :man12:
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby XXIV on Wed May 29, 2013 3:51 pm

Even if they review them it's not like the refs get punished or anything. IMO it's a waste of time unless the league either starts fining/suspending refs.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby Weezy on Wed May 29, 2013 4:29 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Weezy wrote:And some people here ask "why hate on LeBron", well other than the media's constant slurping of the guy as the greatest thing ever, this is why

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It's OK to use my name..... :man10:

Also if you're calling out one flopper how does an impartial viewer miss the other?..... :man12:


It's not just you or I would have, I'd estimate at least 5 people have called me out for hating on LeBron. And I didn't say West didn't flop, I just didn't bring it up as it's irrelevant, I don't consider him a "flopper" and he's not a star even close to LeBron's caliber either. Stars that flop disgust me (especially Chris Paul and I know you won't disagree with me on that) because they don't need to, they're already more talented than most players and he preferential ref treatment, while role players that do it I don't like, I at least understand that they need to try and gain advantages somehow. Plus West flailed and stumbled at worst, LeBron went down like he got shot.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby davriver290 on Wed May 29, 2013 4:34 pm

Weezy wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Weezy wrote:And some people here ask "why hate on LeBron", well other than the media's constant slurping of the guy as the greatest thing ever, this is why

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It's OK to use my name..... :man10:

Also if you're calling out one flopper how does an impartial viewer miss the other?..... :man12:


It's not just you or I would have, I'd estimate at least 5 people have called me out for hating on LeBron. And I didn't say West didn't flop, I just didn't bring it up as it's irrelevant, I don't consider him a "flopper" and he's not a star even close to LeBron's caliber either. Stars that flop disgust me (especially Chris Paul and I know you won't disagree with me on that) because they don't need to, they're already more talented than most players and he preferential ref treatment, while role players that do it I don't like, I at least understand that they need to try and gain advantages somehow. Plus West flailed and stumbled at worst, LeBron went down like he got shot.



it looks like he trips over Lebrons foot.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby Scnottaken on Wed May 29, 2013 5:54 pm

davriver290 wrote:
Weezy wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Weezy wrote:And some people here ask "why hate on LeBron", well other than the media's constant slurping of the guy as the greatest thing ever, this is why

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It's OK to use my name..... :man10:

Also if you're calling out one flopper how does an impartial viewer miss the other?..... :man12:


It's not just you or I would have, I'd estimate at least 5 people have called me out for hating on LeBron. And I didn't say West didn't flop, I just didn't bring it up as it's irrelevant, I don't consider him a "flopper" and he's not a star even close to LeBron's caliber either. Stars that flop disgust me (especially Chris Paul and I know you won't disagree with me on that) because they don't need to, they're already more talented than most players and he preferential ref treatment, while role players that do it I don't like, I at least understand that they need to try and gain advantages somehow. Plus West flailed and stumbled at worst, LeBron went down like he got shot.



it looks like he trips over Lebrons foot.

The flail backwards is a flop, the stumble afterwards is an effect of 'Bron's foot.
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Postby LakerFanIam on Wed May 29, 2013 5:59 pm

Lebron's Flop > West's Flop
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed May 29, 2013 9:10 pm

Hey Lebron is the best flopper the league has ever seen. He also said it is OK to flop to gain an advantage so I expect the NBA to remove the FLop rule now that the King has sanctioned it.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Wed May 29, 2013 9:25 pm

^he does trip over LeBrons foot, because LeBron sticks his leg out when he tries to pass.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby abeer3 on Thu May 30, 2013 5:57 am

i'm at a loss. the heat get away with bloody murder most of the time (including most of game 4, btw), but the one time a questionable call goes against them (I still think wade traveled and LeBron definitely stuck his leg out on the screen, which is illegal in itself, moving or not, iirc), we have two full days of analysis.

I really don't know what to say. where were all these concerned citizens in 2006, when the refs handed that team a title? or at any point in the big three era, where LeBron routinely goes entire games without being whistled for a foul and dwyane wade cheapshots everyone with impunity whenever he doesn't get his way with the refs?

it's disgusting. what's worse is that the media is pressuring the nba to make sure Miami "gets a fair shake" (read: wins) for the rest of the series. it also sets up a counter narrative to the prevailing one: that the heat are nba officials' darlings. sorry, espn, there's way too much evidence for the existing and predominant theory to allow your insane level of spin doctoring to change public discourse.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby MadMax on Thu May 30, 2013 6:51 am

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Agreed 100%

This type of BS makes me not even want to watch the NBA right now. It's disgusting, and ruins the game for me.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu May 30, 2013 8:39 am

abeer3 wrote:i'm at a loss. the heat get away with bloody murder most of the time (including most of game 4, btw), but the one time a questionable call goes against them (I still think wade traveled and LeBron definitely stuck his leg out on the screen, which is illegal in itself, moving or not, iirc), we have two full days of analysis.

I really don't know what to say. where were all these concerned citizens in 2006, when the refs handed that team a title? or at any point in the big three era, where LeBron routinely goes entire games without being whistled for a foul and dwyane wade cheapshots everyone with impunity whenever he doesn't get his way with the refs?

it's disgusting. what's worse is that the media is pressuring the nba to make sure Miami "gets a fair shake" (read: wins) for the rest of the series. it also sets up a counter narrative to the prevailing one: that the heat are nba officials' darlings. sorry, espn, there's way too much evidence for the existing and predominant theory to allow your insane level of spin doctoring to change public discourse.


It's the ESPN machine. They feed the fans what they want them to see and thus we fall for it in full. Does it not seem strange that Lebron's past is nearly never brought up like it is for Kobe? Lebron's many failures are masked behind "educated" reasons from the "experts." JUst look at the question on First Take today "Does Lebron have the highest BBall IQ in the game?" After all the floppng and the lopsided offciating the media giant came up with that? ESPN has once again spun a questionable situation to make the Heat look like the victims. Shameful.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby LTLakerFan on Thu May 30, 2013 8:51 am

Scnottaken wrote:
davriver290 wrote:
Weezy wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Weezy wrote:And some people here ask "why hate on LeBron", well other than the media's constant slurping of the guy as the greatest thing ever, this is why

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It's OK to use my name..... :man10:

Also if you're calling out one flopper how does an impartial viewer miss the other?..... :man12:


It's not just you or I would have, I'd estimate at least 5 people have called me out for hating on LeBron. And I didn't say West didn't flop, I just didn't bring it up as it's irrelevant, I don't consider him a "flopper" and he's not a star even close to LeBron's caliber either. Stars that flop disgust me (especially Chris Paul and I know you won't disagree with me on that) because they don't need to, they're already more talented than most players and he preferential ref treatment, while role players that do it I don't like, I at least understand that they need to try and gain advantages somehow. Plus West flailed and stumbled at worst, LeBron went down like he got shot.



it looks like he trips over Lebrons foot.

The flail backwards is a flop, the stumble afterwards is an effect of 'Bron's foot.


I'd love for one or two of the league's "big name" floppers to bust an elbow or wrist some time in the act, where it can play forever on youtube showing just how they got hurt.
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby Rooscooter on Thu May 30, 2013 8:58 am

Weezy wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Weezy wrote:And some people here ask "why hate on LeBron", well other than the media's constant slurping of the guy as the greatest thing ever, this is why

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It's OK to use my name..... :man10:

Also if you're calling out one flopper how does an impartial viewer miss the other?..... :man12:


It's not just you or I would have, I'd estimate at least 5 people have called me out for hating on LeBron. And I didn't say West didn't flop, I just didn't bring it up as it's irrelevant, I don't consider him a "flopper" and he's not a star even close to LeBron's caliber either. Stars that flop disgust me (especially Chris Paul and I know you won't disagree with me on that) because they don't need to, they're already more talented than most players and he preferential ref treatment, while role players that do it I don't like, I at least understand that they need to try and gain advantages somehow. Plus West flailed and stumbled at worst, LeBron went down like he got shot.



Oh I don't disagree one bit on the flopping. The league has fostered this crap. The evidence is in that gif...... it's isn't what LeBron does either.... he's been known to do that in the past (although he's not even in the same Universe as Chris Paul as a flopper) it's the known tough guy/hard as nails West that's trying to sell the foul that is evidence that flopping is working and the league refuses to do anything about it.

For a guy like West to start this crap is proof it's time for it to stop IMO.... or it will ruin the game.

I also put the constant whining in that category as well. Duncan, Kobe, Paul, Durant and other big names complain on every miss and that is getting to the point of absurdity as well.

I hope I'm at least on the top of your list of 5 btw...... :man12:
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Re: Sources: NBA Reviewing Fallout From Game 4 Calls

Postby Doc Brown on Thu May 30, 2013 9:37 am

On the BBallBreakdown guys video he did for this game, he showed the Lebron moving screen play and it showed him stepping on Stephenson's foot to trip him.

Flashback - What happened to Stephenson when his foot was under Lebron's and Lebron tweaked his ankle? A foul was called.

Two trips, both called fouls, I'd like to call that consistency. Whether good or bad at least the same type of play is being called.
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