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Postby KJ MonK on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:07 pm

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i dont get the hate, i think hes the greatest commissioner in american professional sports
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Postby 432J on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:32 pm

KJ MonK wrote:
Thenextgreat wrote:Image

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i dont get the hate, i think hes the greatest commissioner in american professional sports

i dont know if you're being sarcastic or not

but if you're actually being serious, you are so wrong. try the worst commissioner in pro sports, he's even worse than that clown bettman. to me, paul tagliabue was the definition of a great commissioner, do your research and find out way. i'd say selig too but the whole steroid mess and how MLB handled it puts a damper on him
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Postby JSM on Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:37 pm

Reading this story today made my week.
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Postby KJ MonK on Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:03 am

432J wrote:
KJ MonK wrote:
Thenextgreat wrote:Image

LOL the tag team championS

i dont get the hate, i think hes the greatest commissioner in american professional sports

i dont know if you're being sarcastic or not

but if you're actually being serious, you are so wrong. try the worst commissioner in pro sports, he's even worse than that clown bettman. to me, paul tagliabue was the definition of a great commissioner, do your research and find out way. i'd say selig too but the whole steroid mess and how MLB handled it puts a damper on him


u cant really say he's the "worst" if the sport as a brand hasn't declined under his watch... i think the NBA is in a pretty good spot
everything people say about him refers to some corrupt conspiracy, so its basically like saying Vince McMahon was terrible just because of the Montreal Screwjob (if u believed it was real) and lawsuits even though the company flourished under him
i dont get what Tagliabue did that makes him so much better than Stern... stern had a longer reign, expanded his league just as much, and look at the international success with the NBA... are you referring to his political stands?
meanwhile im still bitter that LA lost both football teams hah... now i have to drive around seeing people root for a team 6 hrs away
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Postby dj vitus on Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:39 pm

^^ I think we all agree that Stern did some great things for the NBA in terms of expansion/popularity, and keeping it all together. But most of us don't like his rat-faced smug attitude/mannerisms. Like, we would never be his friend in a million years. :man10:
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Postby revgen on Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:53 pm

David Stern's final act as NBA commissioner: Promote the myth of David Stern

by Adrian Wojnarowski

The biggest ego in the history of the sport, the emperor of the NBA gets everything he ever wanted now: 15 months of farewells and bows; a tidy 30 years to fit onto his Hall of Fame plaque; and a chance to repair and repackage a legacy that NBA commissioner David Stern had slowly, surely lost the power to manipulate.

For all the public proclamations, here's been the overwhelming league response to Stern's decision to leave the job on Feb. 1, 2014: a long, exasperated sigh, and a wish that his successor, Adam Silver, would be taking over sooner.

Stern still has work to do; promoting the work of David Stern. Here comes his victory tour, the tender one-on-one sitdowns, the testimonials, basketball's favorite fable and bedtime story about how Stern made Magic and Bird in the 1980s, Jordan in the '90s, about how no one else ever would've landed big, fat television deals for people to watch them play basketball.

Stern has been an excellent, opportunistic businessman. He did not inspire those under him, but ruled them with fear. He's shown a good heart, too, advocated social change for greater goods. Through it all, Stern reveled in the intimidation of league office employees, referees, general managers, coaches and players. Most thought that's why Stern would stay on the job forever, because he seemed to get such pleasure out of it.

These 15 months aren't about Silver's transition into the commissioner's job, but Stern's elevation into the sport's almighty. Why now? After the world found out how Stern controls whose voice will be heard on his state-run television, he changed the conversation from people ridiculing his petty, self-centered management style to people exulting his vision.

After controlling NBA executives and the most influential of opinion shapers for so long, the truth about Stern – his volcanic temper and bullying and vindictiveness, the preferential treatment for his personal pets, the processes and protocols pushed aside to mete out justice and injustice, the manipulations of franchise and player movement, the heavy-heavy handed involvement in officiating – finally had found its way into the NBA's reporting and records.

Between now and his departure, Stern is determined to get a franchise back into Seattle, league sources said. He has become a strong ally of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer's group to bring back the NBA there. Ballmer's group has been trying to get the Maloof family to sell the Sacramento Kings, so that the franchise can eventually play in a new arena in Seattle.

From the league office, pressure on the Maloofs to sell has been growing, sources said – just as hopes for a new Sacramento arena have been fading. Seattle Sonics fans will never forgive Stern for his complicit role in Clay Bennett's deception to move that franchise to Oklahoma City, but make no mistake: Stern desperately wants to return the NBA to one of its great markets and wants it for his own measure of vindication before he leaves office.

As one source involved in the process said, "Stern has enough time to get a team back to Seattle, but he'll let Silver deal with the crowd [booing] on opening night."

The propaganda machine out of Olympic Tower will go into overdrive to pitch Stern's narrative as the sport's historic marketer, the grower of the global game and the visionary responsible for turning the NBA's stars into the planet's most popular athletes. The league office has always fought so much harder to protect Stern's image than it did those of its players. Stan Van Gundy didn't get muscled out of a TV job because Stern feared he would be hard on the players.

Stern has carefully cultivated Silver as his replacement, thrusting him onto the frontlines of the labor fight, the influential committees, and giving him the chance to get close with the power-broking younger owners to make sure Silver's ratification would come easily. Most of all, Stern made sure that the next commissioner owed him, owed his legacy, and that no outsider would ever come into Olympic Tower and unleash old secrets of how business had been done.

For those wishing to talk out of school on Stern once he leaves office, they understand: Even if Stern can't hurt them anymore, Silver has his back.

Most owners and executives support Silver's promotion and believe he has the ability to change the way the league office operates. As one high-ranking league office employee has told me, the owners want less centralized and more local power in the post-Stern era. Give Stern this: He was a force of nature, but his style – his belief that he could bully those inside the NBA, those in basketball federations around the world – is over. He knew it, and that makes it easier for him to go. The information age has made tyranny harder to manage across the globe, and that's true within Stern's NBA too.

Over the summer, Stern consulted no one when he publicly raised the idea of changing Olympic basketball to an under-23 tournament, sources said. His underlings didn't know he would go public with it – FIBA, no one. He was David Stern, and he wanted to show the owners who wanted change that he could still sell a big idea on their behalf.

"He misjudged it badly," one prominent international basketball official told Yahoo! Sports. "He didn't think about the consequences or the fallout. He still thought he could say something and it would get done."

Stern dropped the fight fast, leaving Silver to take the grief of the owners who want an international basketball system where they control the NBA's great talent. Between now and Feb. 1, 2014, Stern's embarking on the longest victory lap in the history of professional sports, and he'll finally let Basketball Hall of Fame chairman Jerry Colangelo induct him. Stern runs that, too. Want to get into the Hall, Stern snaps his fingers and the committees vote the way he wants them to vote.

So here comes the emperor now, sleeping well in the understanding that the future of the NBA is secure because Adam Silver promises to make sure anything Stern doesn't want revealed about these past three decades of totalitarian rule comes out with a steep price and punishment to pay. From the beach and someday the grave, Stern will have this league rigged for his legacy forever and ever. The fear and loathing of David Stern will never end, and perhaps that's what he's always wanted.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--david-stern-s-final-act--promote-the-myth-of-david-stern-25321709.html

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Postby Lakerjones on Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:04 pm

^^^ :jam2: :bow: That article is just beautifully scathing. I love it. WOJ rules. I'm so glad to hear this guy is finally stepping down. As WOJ stated, the skeletons will never come out of the closet, but at least he's finally leaving.
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Postby Lakerjones on Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:07 pm

therealdeal wrote:
BDG wrote:As much as I dislike him, Stern did some great things for the game and the sport of basketball (expansion, globalization, profitability). Although Magic, Bird and Jordan had a lot to do with that as well.


Yeah, but like most men in positions of power, he overstayed his welcome. It's time for him to go and it has been for a while.


^^ Well said, realdeal.
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Postby purp n gold on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:31 am

During his time as commissioner, the game went from tape-delayed finals to the definitive 2nd world sport after soccer. He owes a lot of fortune to a handful of once-in-a-lifetime athletes, but Stern navigated the ship, and the league is where it is now.

Last year he trashed the Lakers last obviously, but I think part of the deal was bad timing. In any other "offseason" Stern would uphold the CP3 trade, hiding behind his big desk at the league office. Not in a conference room in NYC, 45 minutes after meeting with all 30 team owners. I even think if the deal had been submitted just a day or two later, Stern would have put it through. But he cracked and compromised the game, and it's a stain on an otherwise good career.
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Postby 432J on Sat Oct 27, 2012 8:48 am

purp n gold wrote:During his time as commissioner, the game went from tape-delayed finals to the definitive 2nd world sport after soccer. He owes a lot of fortune to a handful of once-in-a-lifetime athletes, but Stern navigated the ship, and the league is where it is now.

Last year he trashed the Lakers last obviously, but I think part of the deal was bad timing. In any other "offseason" Stern would uphold the CP3 trade, hiding behind his big desk at the league office. Not in a conference room in NYC, 45 minutes after meeting with all 30 team owners. I even think if the deal had been submitted just a day or two later, Stern would have put it through. But he cracked and compromised the game, and it's a stain on an otherwise good career.

you could say that about pretty much ever comish though. hell, you could even say bettman increased the popularity of the NHL by expanding the league into places like phoenix, anaheim, dallas, tampa, north carolina, etc. stern did obviously help make the NBA where it is today in terms of popularity but you also have to keep in mind what impact the players had

at the time of the NBA's surge in popularity there were guys like magic, bird, and MJ leading the way. MJ himself had a huge role in the league becoming popular in places like china. stern wasn't the only guy who got the NBA to where it is now and in my opinion, wasn't even a major key in its surge
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:40 am

^^Who do you think facilitated MJ's role in china?.... Who do you thing forged a partnership with Nike?... Who convinced Nike to even sponsor the NBA?....

I was around, following the game in the 70's..... the NBA was known as a way for players to get drug money by most of the mainstream media. Hell even Newspapers didn't care to print box scores in most areas of the country that didn't have a team.

He forged ahead in Europe when the Players Union didn't want him to..... He negotiated TV deals that got the NBA off the Friday night tape delays.... Most don't know this but only a few Playoff games were televised live back in those days and there were many that didn't even have any National TV coverage. Stern was the driving force behind getting the Networks to view the game as something more than what it was at the time. Stern and the owners had to change the games image substantially. Drug use and testing were at the for front of that effort and once guys like Michael Ray Richardson and John Drew were banned for life the image began to become one that the Networks would televise..... MJ, Magic and Bird didn't do that.... in fact they were part of the Union that opposed any and all testing and even suspensions for drug use......

Stern is a lot of things to a lot of people but he is the main reason the NBA has seen a 30x revenue leap in his tenure and where it is today. Has he gotten over zealous in recent years?.... without a doubt.... but lets give him credit for what he's done right as well.....
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Oct 27, 2012 10:42 am

^ You mean like giving credit to Nixon for opening up China? :man1:
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:25 pm

^^I'm not sure how far you date back Real..... but before Stern the game was dying.... a lot of credit was given to Magic/Bird etc. for saving it but the framework, marketing and negotiations were headed by Stern and in the same fashion that he does things now..... his way. He deserves credit for making the game mainstream and building it up around the world. If you do remember back that far the Union and Players fought him at just about every turn..... well they have benefited greatly because he didn't give in to them in the early 80's......

His micro-management of the game the last 10 to 15 years is something I disagree with but it doesn't make what he did for the game when it was dying go away......
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:51 pm

Naw, I'm not trying to take away from him the good things he's done. Everyone wants to say "well he had Magic/Larry and Jordan, it was easy!"

It's never easy. It's never easy to spread a brand, especially one that was almost dead in the water. College ball was more popular for goodness sake. He did a great job of getting the NBA in the international market. Just like Phil Jackson rode the greats to championships, he rode the greats to profit. Nothing wrong there.

What's wrong is his last decade of BS that he's forced upon the league. I can't agree with any of it. He's taken his power to his head and he's gone over the top.

I used the Nixon example because Nixon's exploits in China were GREAT for the country and the world. Then he let his power drive him nuts and he revealed exactly what an a****** he was. Same situation on a much, much, much, much, much smaller scale.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:15 pm

^^Nixon helped with China for sure..... but his lasting legacy is the EPA..... which is one of the biggest blunders in our history.....
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Postby therealdeal on Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:58 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^Nixon helped with China for sure..... but his lasting legacy is the EPA..... which is one of the biggest blunders in our history.....


Oh of course, I have no love for Nixon. :man10:

He was a dirtbag and the way he left office was a stain on the Office of the President. I think that Stern's legacy in the short term will be what he's done for the last 10 years. In the long term he'll be remembered for opening the international market.
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Postby OX1947 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:19 pm

KJ MonK wrote:
Thenextgreat wrote:Image

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i dont get the hate, i think hes the greatest commissioner in american professional sports


2nd best. Pete Rozelle is number 1.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:44 am

Don't let the door hit you in the bleep on the way out you sleazy, pompous midget.....
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Postby thkthebest on Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:49 pm

Rooscooter wrote:He negotiated TV deals that got the NBA off the Friday night tape delays.... Most don't know this but only a few Playoff games were televised live back in those days and there were many that didn't even have any National TV coverage. Stern was the driving force behind getting the Networks to view the game as something more than what it was at the time.

I thought this was interesting/cool. It's hard for me to imagine something like this.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:31 pm

^^He's been a lot of things over the years.... a lot of them overlooked and a lot of them overly obsessed about. The NBA wouldn't be what it is without that same pig-headed drive that he focused on building the brand back in those days rather than on micro managing the game like he does these days.

A lot of people got pissed at him when he dictated that the whole "Rap Culture" thing be curtailed when Iverson came into the league.... Suits were mandated at all televised functions from then on. If you take that in a vacuum you would think he's an out of touch old white man..... but if you again view it through the lens of what was going on in the NBA in the 70's it had some merit. Marketing and Image along with a good product is what got the NBA here..... a good product with a poor image is what they had in the 70's....
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Postby Finwë on Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:28 pm

Even though I don't necessarily like him and agree that it's time to step down (I actually think he's kinda overextended his stay), IMO without a doubt Stern's legacy as a commissioner is a very good one. There were some things (95% in recent years) that were very criticizable but overall he should be in the discussion for best sports commissioners IMO in terms of what he meant to the league since he took over.
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Postby purp n gold on Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:58 am

Rooscooter wrote:Stern and the owners had to change the games image substantially. Drug use and testing were at the for front of that effort and once guys like Michael Ray Richardson and John Drew were banned for life the image began to become one that the Networks would televise..... MJ, Magic and Bird didn't do that.... in fact they were part of the Union that opposed any and all testing and even suspensions for drug use......


Such a good point. Great posts here Rooscooter, some good info/perspective!
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Postby Weezy on Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:42 pm

No send off for Stern here? Really? No final "F you", or "thanks for the vetoed deal and basketball reasons you piece of ****"? :man10: Well, he's finally gone, good riddance Emperor Stern, I can only hope Silver is better.

Also, I enjoyed this little send off article by Jason Whitlock

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10377689/whitlock-david-stern-was-bully-got-lucky

No other powerful public figure in the history of American media has controlled his narrative as effectively as David Stern. That's why, on Saturday, on the 30-year anniversary of his reign as commissioner of the NBA, Stern will step aside to a chorus of media cheers hailing him as the equal of Pete Rozelle.

This orchestrated, vanity-driven, midseason exit speaks to Stern's writing of his own narrative. Who plans to retire midseason? Yes, I'm sure Stern's exit is ceremonial and his successor, Adam Silver, has been running the league this season. But who plans a ceremonial departure? A self-important dictator.

Stern was a bully. He convinced everyone, employees and reporters who covered his league, that he was the smartest, most dangerous man in the room. His profanity-laced tantrums were legendary and effective. His ability to make his enemies uncomfortable was real.

Rozelle's equal? No. Rozelle launched the NFL past Major League Baseball. Rozelle swallowed and/or buried the leagues created to challenge the NFL. Rozelle made a game the overwhelming majority of people never play and don't understand part of Americana.

Stern gets credit for babysitting black kids and making them somewhat palatable to a small percentage of white corporate America.

That's not controversial hyperbole. The Stern narrative begins with his biographers explaining that Stern took over a league filled with black players of unsavory reputation. The NBA allegedly had a cocaine problem that other sports leagues did not have. The players were high and lazy. TV networks wouldn't even televise the NBA Finals live. Stern allegedly cleaned all this up.

Actually, I've always felt that white sports writers just didn't like how black the NBA became in the 1970s, so they sold the myth that pro basketball players used more cocaine than baseball and football players.

Without enacting any transformative drug policy, Stern magically got NBA players to kick their coke habits and play a more family-friendly brand of ball? Or maybe David Stern became commissioner roughly four years into the Magic Johnson-Larry Bird era and the infusion of a transcendent white superstar and an exciting black foil made white sports writers quit pretending the NBA used more illicit drugs than the NFL.

My money is on the latter. Bird made coverage of the NBA less racist. Bird made the league more televisable. Unless Stern coached Bird at Indiana State, Stern was simply at the right place at the right time.

He took over the NBA just before Michael Jordan arrived and just when ESPN and the "SportsCenter" highlight package were gaining massive momentum across America. Did Stern launch ESPN? I'm unaware of his role. Did he develop Chris Berman and Dan Patrick?

David Stern owes much of his success to Larry Bird's arrival along with other talented players such as Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan.
I'm not calling Stern a failure or a fraud. I'm saying he was fortunate. I'm saying his reputation outweighs his real accomplishments.

The NBA has underachieved. In the past 30 years, the league has been home to the most transcendent, recognizable and interesting athletes since Muhammad Ali -- Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan and LeBron James. Tiger Woods and Mike Tyson are the only athletes who can compete with the quartet Stern was handed.

With the pervasive popularity of rap music and a black man sitting in the White House, there's no reason to pretend the NBA has been handicapped by the blackness of basketball. There's no reason to judge Stern on some sort of curve. He doesn't get extra-credit points for running a league dominated by black players.

Basketball is America's sport. Every man, woman and child plays basketball at some point. People in wheelchairs play basketball. The game isn't expensive to play. You can play by yourself. It's accessible.

Basketball should be more popular. In my opinion, the NBA should rival the NFL. At the very least, no way should the NFL be five times more popular than the NBA. No way. Stern rode Bird, Magic and Jordan to an unprecedented level of relevance and success. The league has lost relevance since the end of that era. That's inexcusable for a league with LeBron, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant and teams as likable as the Spurs, Pacers, Warriors, Thunder, etc.

Stern focused too much of the league's relevance on individual superstars at the expense of promoting teams, rivalries and championships. He has never understood the importance of the health of college basketball. College football fuels the popularity of pro football. It's just the opposite in basketball. College and NBA fans hate each other.

A great NBA commissioner during Stern's reign would've forced a conversation about ways to keep elite basketball players in college for three or four years. Stern should've been the outspoken champion of ending shamateur athletics. He should've worked tirelessly to figure out how to financially reward Kobe for attending Duke for four years.

The more popular and entertaining college basketball is, the more popular the NBA would be. If Stern was/is aware of this, I've never heard him say it publicly. What I've heard is his defenders blame the NBA players' association and its former executive director, Billy Hunter, for the league's inability to construct an agenda that moves all basketball forward.

That's a copout taken from the same script that credits Stern for cleaning up a drugged-out, black league. Translation: "He's working with black guys. What do you expect? He's handicapped."

Stern did not have an easy job. He ruled a league filled with superfamous young people. That's extremely difficult. The average NBA player is far more famous (and delusional) than the average football or baseball player. The fame is a curse and a blessing.

The racial politics of the NBA also presented problems. When Stern appropriately told his Allen Iverson-influenced players to take off their white T's, pull up their sagging pants and dress like grown men coming to work, media idiots screamed racism.

Commissioner is a tough job. Stern earned an estimated $20 million a year. I expected more from him and his league. He bullied the wrong people for the wrong reason. Given the dysfunction and immorality in NCAA athletics, the NBA commissioner is the de facto leader of all of basketball.

I don't believe Stern healed the game of American basketball. I think he contributed to its division. You can go a million other places and read about all the great things Stern accomplished during his reign. He's been writing that narrative for 30 years. Enjoy.
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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:59 am

i will only remember him for screwing the lakers and ruining the end of kobes career
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Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:48 am

CaCHooKa Man wrote:i will only remember him for screwing the lakers and ruining the end of kobes career

His legacy for the next ten years will be crippling the great teams in the NBA in order to promote the teams that don't deserve it. He will have eliminated bigger pay checks for decent players and relegated good players to minimum contracts.

He single-handedly destroyed the Lakers to build up the Clippers. It was a good move for the Clippers, but it was a terrible move for the League.

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I'd guess that viewership is down. When the Lakers and the Knicks, the two most famous and profitable teams in the world, are this bad the entire NBA suffers. But what the hell does he care right? He's gone.
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