Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Sat May 11, 2013 4:14 pm

ATLANTA HAWKS: 75.7
Starters: 77.5
Bench: 72.0

PG
1. Teague 86.8
2. Harris 70.3
3. Mack 67.9
4. Pargo 65.0

WINGS
1. Korver 62.6
2. Stevenson 45.3
3. Williams 79.7
4. Tolliver 47.3
5. Jenkins 64.3
6. Jones 46.4
7. Morrow 62.0

BIGS
1. Horford 93.9
2. Smith 99.1
3. Pachulia 76.7
4. Johnson 86.0
5. Scott 84.3
6. Petro 72.7
7. Scott 0.0*

LEADERS (500+ Minutes)
Scoring Efficiency: Williams 5.9, Smith 5.9, Horford 5.8
Passing Efficiency: Teague 4.1, Harris 3.4, Williams 3.2
Hustle Efficiency: Pachulia 3.4, Johnson 3.2, Smith 3.2
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Re: Team by Team Efficiency Ratings

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BROOKLYN NETS: 74.8
Starters: 76.5
Bench: 71.3

PG
1. Williams 86.9
2. Watson 63.2
3. Taylor 57.4

WINGS
1. Johnson 69.5
2. Wallace 58.8
3. Bogans 42.0
4. Brooks 73.6
5. Stackhouse 53.2
6. Childress 38.2
7. Shengelia 60.4
8. Joseph 0.0*

BIGS
1. Lopez 106.4
2. Evans 61.1
3. Blatche 105.0
4. Humphries 72.7
5. Teletovic 73.7

LEADERS (500+ Minutes)
Scoring Efficiency: Lopez 6.6, Blatche 6.1, Williams 6.1
Passing Efficiency: Williams 4.1, Watson 3.0, Johnson 2.9
Hustle Efficiency: Blatche 3.7, Lopez 3.7, Evans 3.6
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Re: Team by Team Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Sun May 12, 2013 5:59 am

BOSTON (70.4)
Starters 71.8
Bench 67.7

PG
1. Terry 51.8
2. Bradley 52.0
3. Rondo 96.2

WING
1. Pierce 88.1
2. Green 72.4
3. Terry 62.6
4. Lee 60.1
5. Crawford 70.1
6. Barbosa 72.0
7. Williams 65.2
8. Joseph 43.3

BIGS
1. Green 78.5
2. Bass 68.1
3. Garnett 89.7
4. Sullinger 73.9
5. Wilcox 72.8
6. Collins 39.4
7. Randolph 82.8
8. White 77.6*
9. Melo 47.2*
10. Varnado 76.0*
11. Milicic 18.3*

LEADERS (500+ Minutes)
Scoring Efficiency: Pierce 6.2, Garnett 5.9, Green 5.8
Passing Efficiency: Rondo 4.6, Pierce 3.4, Crawford 3.1
Hustle Efficiency: Sullinger 3.4, Wilcox 3.2, Bass 2.9
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Re: Team by Team Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Sun May 12, 2013 4:24 pm

CHARLOTTE (72.6)
Starters: 72.1
Bench: 73.6

PG
1. Walker 84.2
2. Sessions 74.5
3. Pargo 71.9

WINGS
1. Henderson 77.9
2. Kidd-Gilchrist 66.6
3. Sessions 84.1
4. Gordon 74.7
5. Taylor 55.7
6. Williams 67.2*
7. Higgins 79.8*
8. Carroll 22.0*

BIGS
1. Biyombo 57.2
2. Mullens 74.4
3. Haywood 59.1
4. McRoberts 75.5
5. Adrien 77.0
6. warrick 71.7
7. Thomas 73.5
8. Diop 226

LEADERS (500+ Minutes)
Scoring Efficiency: Sessions 6.1, Walker 6.0, Gordon 6.0
Passing Efficiency: Walker 3.7, Sessions 3.4, McRoberts 2.8
Hustle Efficiency: Biyombo 3.6, Haywood 3.5, Adrien 3.5
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Re: Team by Team Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Mon May 13, 2013 4:53 am

CHICAGO BULLS (76.2)
Starters 80.3
Bench 68.0

PG
1. Robinson 80.7
2. Hinrich 68.3
3. Teague 60.8*

WINGS
1. Deng 73.6
2. Butler 65.6
3. Belinelli 50.9
4. Hamilton 69.2
5. Cook 43.2*

BIGS
1. Boozer 87.3
2. Noah 94.1
3. Gibson 82.1
4. Mohammed 69.7
5. Radmanovic 64.6*
6. Thomas 89.8*
7. Amundson 63.8**

LEADERS (500+ Minutes)
Scoring Efficiency: Robinson 6.0, Boozer 5.9, Hamilton 5.6
Passing Efficiency: Hinrich 3.8, Robinson 3.7, Hamilton 3.0
Hustle Efficiency: Noah 3.8, Mohammed 3.7, Gibson 3.5
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Tue May 14, 2013 4:37 am

CLEVELAND (76.1)
Starters 76.1
Bench 76.2

PG
1. Irving 87.4
2. Livingston 72.4
3. Gibson 49.0
4. Pargo 68.3
5. Teague 60.8

WINGS
1. Gee 59.5
2. Waiters 76.6
3. Miles 73.0
4. Ellington 64.3
5. Casspi 64.1
6. Pargo 72.9
7. Sloan 59.8
8. Quinn 36.7

BIGS
1. Thompson 86.0
2. Zeller 71.1
3. Varejao 102.1
4. Walton 69.2
5. Speights 94.8
6. Jones 70.5
7. Samuels 59.5
8. Leuer 54.1
LEADERS (500+ Minutes)
Scoring Efficiency: Irving 6.5, Miles 6.1, Speights 6.1
Passing Efficiency: Walton 3.9, Irving 3.7, Livingston 3.6
Hustle Efficiency: Varejao 4.0, Thompson 3.6, Speights 3.4
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 9:35 am

Trodg what would the commonly accepted "good" number be for these stats? I feel like all I'm look at are numbers without meaning.
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Tue May 14, 2013 10:53 am

100+ superstar
90+ star
80+ starter
70+ solid bench player

I don't claim that these stats are exhaustive. Individual defense is not really accounted for, nor is contribution to team success (I handle this with my SYNERGY stat).

Scoring Efficiency: 6+ is great; I think Kobe was at 6.9 this year. That's insane.
Passing Efficiency: 4+ is great
Hustle Efficiency: 4+ is great
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 11:00 am

Cool thanks, t. :bow:
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 11:07 am

Atlanta surprises:
-Kover in the 60s.
-Smith at nearly 100 as an offensive player even though he's known for defense. WITH an offensive efficiency at 5.9 to boot.

Brooklyn surprises:
-Wallace in the 50s.
-Brooks in the 70s (I think some of this had to be due to small sample size)
-Lopez and Blatche way over 100. Not necessarily shocking, just really impressive.

Boston surprises:
-Terry and Bradley in the 50s yuck and Bass in the 60s.
-Pierce's high offensive numbers paint a better picture of him than I thought from this season.

Charlotte surprises:
n/a

Cleveland surprises:
-Irving scoring efficiency being through the roof
-how awful most of this team is... how did they win ANY games?
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Tue May 14, 2013 11:42 am

I'm on my phone. When I get home tonight I'll say more. Some of these things get explained away a bit. Thanks for taking the time to look at them! Appreciate the feedback.
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 1:04 pm

No problem. I appreciate work for the sake of work (which usually means you're having fun doing it in a way).
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Tue May 14, 2013 3:35 pm

A few thoughts - this stat is called offensive at this point, because it doesn't directly includes an individual defensive stat. It does include blocks and steals, but that defensive stat is another one that I'll have to work on. It takes time.

One thing the ratings can be thought to do is show how well personnel was used. If a player has a very low rating, then the player was probably counted upon too much against superior competition. Say Kobe plays 2000 minutes, he would be well-rested and would post a ridiculous rating (his rating is actually ridiculous anyway). Now suppose Morris plays 2000 minutes. His rating would be horrendous, because he's best suited to third string, playing against other scrubs.
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby therealdeal on Tue May 14, 2013 3:36 pm

I thought that might be the case.

Could the same also be opposite? Would Blake then also potentially have an inflated number if he played as a 3rd string guard?
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Tue May 14, 2013 3:44 pm

therealdeal wrote:Atlanta surprises:
-Kover in the 60s.
-Smith at nearly 100 as an offensive player even though he's known for defense. WITH an offensive efficiency at 5.9 to boot.

Smith's numbers are off the charts. Posting big numbers hasn't really been a problem for him :)

Korver can shoot...that's it. But he doesn't even do that particularly well. Or, rather, his points per shot are awesome...but he doesn't create shots at all. He doesn't even take 10 shots per 36 minutes. That doesn't mean he's a bad fit. When I run SYNERGY on him, we'll see what he does. He might just be one of those guys who doesn't consume many possessions but gets the most out of them (he sure does when he shoots).

Brooklyn surprises:
-Wallace in the 50s.
-Brooks in the 70s (I think some of this had to be due to small sample size)
-Lopez and Blatche way over 100. Not necessarily shocking, just really impressive.


Wallace doesn't score or pass well. Or at least he didn't this season. He's clearly a good defender though.
Brooks's numbers aren't bad awful, but they aren't good either. He scored 16 PP36, handed out decent assists, and he stole at a high rate.


Boston surprises:
-Terry and Bradley in the 50s yuck and Bass in the 60s.
-Pierce's high offensive numbers paint a better picture of him than I thought from this season.

I think Terry is done. Bradley is young, and he's a defender. I'd take him in a heartbeat if we could get him. He's only going to grow. Pierce's numbers are quality starter numbers. He's clearly on the decline, but he probably has another year or two at decent starter quality.

Charlotte surprises:
n/a


Cleveland surprises:
-Irving scoring efficiency being through the roof
-how awful most of this team is... how did they win ANY games?

Kyrie scores at a high rate, and he shoots good %s from all ranges. He might be able to be a 50-40-90 guy if he gets some more help! Yeah, although his team has a solid overall rating, they do have a bunch of awful players.
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Tue May 14, 2013 3:49 pm

therealdeal wrote:I thought that might be the case.

Could the same also be opposite? Would Blake then also potentially have an inflated number if he played as a 3rd string guard?

Absolutely. Look at Varejao (102 rating) vs. Speights (95 rating). Normally I think that 1000 minutes is a minimum for good readings to see what players will do as starters, and anything more than 500 is a good number to get a sense for bench players. But Varejao started every game he played. Speights started only one, so he likely played more against backups. Which guy would you want to start for you? Varejao. But if you're looking for a bench player who can thrive in the role, we have evidence that Speights can do it.

Boston's team is an illustration of part of this because so many guys ended up playing very different roles than they would've had it not been for the injuries. No way Bradley would've played as much as he did had Rondo not been hurt. And Bradley would've posted a higher number.
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby therealdeal on Wed May 15, 2013 10:07 am

Very cool stuff.

I'm agreed on Bradley which is why this number initially took me aback, but your explanation makes up for it. I think that kid has a lot of talent and has room to really improve, so his offensive numbers surprised me. It makes sense that having to fill in for Rondo likely put him in a position to fail so to speak.

As for Smith, it's strange. His numbers are off the charts, but he doesn't really pass the eye test. There's not a whole lot of players like that.
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby Finwë on Wed May 15, 2013 10:41 am

Good stuff on this thread guys
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Wed May 15, 2013 7:03 pm

What data are you using to generate these numbers?
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Thu May 16, 2013 4:18 am

Scoring: Minutes, Points, FGA
Passing: Minutes, AST, TO
Hustle: Minutes, OReb, Blk, Stl, PF, TO

All stats generate two derived stats = a per minute and a percentile stat.
Points per shot, points per minute
Ast/(ast+to), ast per minute
Oreb+blk+Stl = Good, TO+PF = Bad; good/minute, good/(Good+bad)
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Thu May 16, 2013 4:31 am

DALLAS (76.0)
Starters 79.3
Bench 69.4

PG
M. James 65.5
Dahntay Jones 37.9
Beaubois 67.5
Fisher 59.2
Dom. Jones 88.8
Akognon 64.2*
Wright 45.9*
Dentmon 24.5*

WINGS
Mayo 73.7
Carter 83.0
Marion 76.6
Crowder 57.8
Morrow 61.2
CDR 48.8
Cunningham 88.8
Wright 64.6

BIGS
Marion 88.6
Nowitzki 85.7
Brand 88.5
Kaman 86.4
Wright 93.5
Jones 76.5*
Murphy 86.4*
Curry 55.6**

LEADERS (500+ Minutes)
Scoring Efficiency: Nowitzki 6.2, Carter 6.1, B. Wright 5.9
Passing Efficiency: M. James 3.6, Beaubois 3.6, Mayo 3.2
Hustle Efficiency: B. Wright 3.6, Brand 3.6, Marion 3.3
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby therealdeal on Thu May 16, 2013 12:54 pm

I'm all for bringing Brand to LA if he's willing to come for the vet. minimum. Offensively the guy is still VERY productive. Under the radar he had a very solid season.
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Fri May 17, 2013 4:23 pm

Let me see if I have Brand's numbers from last year.
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby trodgers on Fri May 17, 2013 4:48 pm

DENVER (83.5)
Starters: 83.1
Bench: 84.4

PG
1. Lawson 85.5
2. Miller 84.3
3. Stone 53.2

WINGS
1. Iguodala 77.8
2. Gallinari 78.1
3. Miller 78.4
4. Brewer 76.3
5. Chandler 77.5
6. Fournier 76.6
7. Hamilton 81.1
8. Miller 63.4

BIGS
1. Gallinari 83.0
2. Faried 91.1
3. Koufos 82.3
4. McGee 100.8
5. Chandler 84.8
6. Mozgov 76.7
7. Randolph 93.6

Scoring Efficiency: McGee 6.0, Chandler 6.0, Gallinari 6.0
Passing Efficiency: Miller 4.2, Lawson 4.0, Iguodala 3.6
Hustle Efficiency: McGee 4.1, Koufos 3.8, Faried 3.7

Big numbers from Denver.
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Re: Team by Team Offensive Efficiency Ratings

Postby therealdeal on Sat May 18, 2013 9:16 am

The Denver wing situation is ridiculous. They have so many useful guys at the 2/3/4 spot it's scary.

I think some of their numbers would improve on other teams because they'd have less competition on their own teams for minutes.
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