The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby The Rock on Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:16 am

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1874708-nba-east-on-track-to-be-historys-worst-conference-ever

Only two teams in the East, Miami and Indiana, had winning records as of Dec. 1—the first time that has happened since 1972, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. Atlanta held third place, at .500.

That left an astounding 12 teams flailing below .500—a revolting assortment of busted lineups, broken All-Stars and bewildered upstarts. They are the clueless, the overhyped, the underachievers and the tankers, collectively bobbing in the muck, a blazing inferno of ineptitude, a tire fire of futility, a miserable mosaic of, um, well…

“Listen, no one can explain just how bad it is,” said ESPN’s Jeff Van Gundy. “I mean, there’s just no explanation.”

How bad is it? The Toronto Raptors lead the Atlantic Division with a 6-10 record, while the Brooklyn Nets and New York Knicks—the two most expensive teams in the league—are a combined 8-25.


“The indicators are bad right now, and the history tells us that it’s going to get worse,” said Arturo Galletti, a blogger at boxscoregeeks.com who specializes in advanced metrics and predictive statistical models.

Galletti ran a season simulation program on Monday, and the results were indeed bleak. According to his model, only Miami and Indiana will finish this season above .500. (Chicago is projected to finish third, at 41-41.)

If the model is right, it will mean another ignominious record: the fewest teams to finish with a winning record in one conference. The East set the (low) bar in 2003, with four.

The model is based on results to date and accounts for remaining strength of schedule, home and road games, the amount of rest between games and games played on consecutive nights, among other factors.

The program does not account for injuries or the effect of players returning from injury, but it does adjust once those players are performing again. It also cannot account for teams making trades.

An engineer by trade, Galletti said, “I won’t claim it’s perfect.” But, he said, “At this point, we know enough. Twenty percent of the season is in the books. You can make some determination about who is good and who is bad.”

Another factor to consider, Galletti said: Historically, losing teams become less competitive as the season wears on. So the truly bad teams will likely get worse.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby karacha on Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:54 am

16 top NBA teams in the playoffs, please.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:53 am

I once made a point that prior to the Lebron ESPN love years the sports media use to slam the Eastern Conference because it was pretty damn weak. If it wasn't for the "look how great Miami is" push the pundits would be screaming for top 16 teams. If they made a point to slam the East then it would deminish (in my opinion) the greatness of a team and a player who is playing 3/4 a season against horrible teams. The East is a Joke and has been for well over a decade. Yes, the Celtics and Heat have won Championships but we have all talked about the cake schedules they went through to get to the CHampionship.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby MadMax on Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:00 am

What a joke...

That's one thing about the Lakers...every ring they've won since 2000 has been hard fought with excellent competition. The West seems to always be stacked with really good teams.

Another cakewalk for the HEAT to the finals this year.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby thkthebest on Wed Dec 04, 2013 11:09 am

karacha wrote:16 top NBA teams in the playoffs, please.

Yes please.

Shortened seasons will never happen for monetary reasons, but I'd also like 58 games (playing each team twice).
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby therealdeal on Wed Dec 04, 2013 12:23 pm

I don't think the Heat cakewalk to the Finals at all. I think Indiana does if they stay healthy.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby LakerFan1235 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:46 pm

LOL did you guys see the trailblazers and suns' team tweets today? I can't post from my phone right now, but they took some funny shots at the east
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby Ras Algethi on Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:24 pm

I would love a top 16 format but it'll never happen. The east owners would never allow it.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby Finwë on Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:08 pm

karacha wrote:16 top NBA teams in the playoffs, please.

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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby revgen on Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:29 pm

karacha wrote:16 top NBA teams in the playoffs, please.


I don't like that. The good leastern conference teams like Indy and Miami have the advantage by playing the bad teams up to 4 times each if that team is in their division.

I believe we need to have a system where no team can play the other team more than 3 times. So instead of playing a division opponent 4 times, that 4th game will be played against a leastern conference opponent.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:51 am

This is the product of the new CBA. Teams are unwilling to spend so mediocre teams are falling into oblivion. This was supposed to make the league "more competitive" like the NHL, but in reality it just diminishes the product on the floor.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby revgen on Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:50 am

You know the situation is bad when western conference teams are joking about it officially on twitter.
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Postby Juronimo on Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:45 pm

It doesn't help when two teams in the eastern conference in the same city have too much money but no clue on how to build a decent team.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:11 pm

revgen wrote:
karacha wrote:16 top NBA teams in the playoffs, please.


I don't like that. The good leastern conference teams like Indy and Miami have the advantage by playing the bad teams up to 4 times each if that team is in their division.

I believe we need to have a system where no team can play the other team more than 3 times. So instead of playing a division opponent 4 times, that 4th game will be played against a leastern conference opponent.


Miami's advantage is that they are the best team in the league. back to back and an appearance before that kind of prove that.

Injuries have hit the East harder than the West at the moment. I expect both NY teams to be better than they are showing right now.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby revgen on Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:51 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
karacha wrote:16 top NBA teams in the playoffs, please.


I don't like that. The good leastern conference teams like Indy and Miami have the advantage by playing the bad teams up to 4 times each if that team is in their division.

I believe we need to have a system where no team can play the other team more than 3 times. So instead of playing a division opponent 4 times, that 4th game will be played against a leastern conference opponent.


Miami's advantage is that they are the best team in the league. back to back and an appearance before that kind of prove that.

Injuries have hit the East harder than the West at the moment. I expect both NY teams to be better than they are showing right now.


1) Best team or not, they shouldn't be playing one horrible team 4 times in a season.

2) Fair point about injuries, but last I checked, we have injuries too. Kobe and Nash specifically. We still managed to go 9-9 despite 2 guys who take up half our payroll being out.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:56 pm

Mil at 3-15 are a crazy 4 games out of the playoffs right now. :man10:
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby MadMax on Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:03 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:Mil at 3-15 are a crazy 4 games out of the playoffs right now. :man10:

Wow. I know it's early, but wow.

This has to be one of the weakest Eastern conferences ever, right?
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby Scnottaken on Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:23 am

MadMax wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:Mil at 3-15 are a crazy 4 games out of the playoffs right now. :man10:

Wow. I know it's early, but wow.

This has to be one of the weakest Eastern conferences ever, right?

I think it's sadder if this ISN'T the weakest the east has been.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby Congo Cash on Fri Dec 06, 2013 8:28 am

LOL, this is beyond pathetic, only 2 teams w/ above .500 record...
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby dneprovec on Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:37 pm

Adam Silver: NBA will consider getting rid of divisions :jam2: :bow:
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby Ras Algethi on Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:59 pm

dneprovec wrote:Adam Silver: NBA will consider getting rid of divisions :jam2: :bow:


It's a start but doens't really fix the problem. The top 8 in the east (6 being at or under 500 currently), still get in while a lot of good times in the west will not.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby thkthebest on Mon Dec 09, 2013 11:10 pm

This chart shows the WC vs the EC throughout NBA history. Red is the WC. Blue is the EC.

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It has never been this bad.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:27 am

Ras Algethi wrote:
dneprovec wrote:Adam Silver: NBA will consider getting rid of divisions :jam2: :bow:


It's a start but doens't really fix the problem. The top 8 in the east (6 being at or under 500 currently), still get in while a lot of good times in the west will not.


exactly. It does nothing but stop a crappy team from getting a Top 4 seed. I don't think they will ever do anything to make it Top 16 teams.
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Re: The (L)Eastern Conference getting weaker

Postby LakerFan1235 on Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:43 am

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