UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby noobiew on Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:40 pm

He is garbage on the floor nowadays but is still a presence and good locker room guy.

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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby quartzcharm on Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:43 pm

Love Fish. He's my all time favorite Laker. Would have liked to see him come back home and back up Nash.
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby lakersStan24 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:44 am

oh well at least He's on a playoff team Gald for Him but pissed another Great Laker Role Player has signed with the mavs
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby 432J on Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:54 am

lakersStan24 wrote:oh well at least He's on a playoff team Gald for Him but pissed another Great Laker Role Player has signed with the mavs

yeah odom really worked out well in dallas

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Re: Fisher expected to sign with a team in next several days

Postby revgen on Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:01 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
Sorry, but I don't see it.


I think we agree more than disagree on this.... he overplays quite a bit but he at least plays hard.

I will ask that you watch our transition defense more closely.... there are "team "responsibilities" in that regard that he didn't do on several offensive possessions. He drifted into the corner on top of MWP several times ruining the floor spacing and taking himself out of his responsibility to read where the other guard was and be the safety on transition. They broke out for 3 layups that were uncontested for the most part because of it as well.

Everyone seems to watch the ball and not notice the entire game within a game which is the movement of the players that are either not handling the ball or defending the ball. Our lack of discipline in that regard on both ends is our main issue right now. We don't move without the ball on offense and we don't rotate or read the situation on defense....


IMO, transition D isn't just an issue with Morris. It's an issue for the whole team. The triangle did a good job of giving the team a clear idea of where they were supposed to be on the floor, which helped us to match on transition D. I'm not sure D'Antoni's system is quite that elaborate.
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Re: Fisher expected to sign with a team in next several days

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:52 pm

revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:
Sorry, but I don't see it.


I think we agree more than disagree on this.... he overplays quite a bit but he at least plays hard.

I will ask that you watch our transition defense more closely.... there are "team "responsibilities" in that regard that he didn't do on several offensive possessions. He drifted into the corner on top of MWP several times ruining the floor spacing and taking himself out of his responsibility to read where the other guard was and be the safety on transition. They broke out for 3 layups that were uncontested for the most part because of it as well.

Everyone seems to watch the ball and not notice the entire game within a game which is the movement of the players that are either not handling the ball or defending the ball. Our lack of discipline in that regard on both ends is our main issue right now. We don't move without the ball on offense and we don't rotate or read the situation on defense....


IMO, transition D isn't just an issue with Morris. It's an issue for the whole team. The triangle did a good job of giving the team a clear idea of where they were supposed to be on the floor, which helped us to match on transition D. I'm not sure D'Antoni's system is quite that elaborate.


Well isn't that what I've been trying to say in this and other discussions about defense?.... it's a team activity first and foremost... always has been. Morris got more consumed with being open for a 3 than watching the other guard.... it was his responsibility in a team concept to be above the free throw line when any shot went up.

As MDA's theories on defense...... not sure those exist other than outscore the opposition. The players will have to work this out on their own IMO. The practices will be consumed with offensive philosophy from now on.
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby strikemode14 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:19 am

I am glad Fisher was able to get work with that said all Lakers pg will get career highs in points when the lakers play the mavs..
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby XXIV on Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:23 pm

strikemode14 wrote:I am glad Fisher was able to get work with that said all Lakers pg will get career highs in points when the lakers play the mavs..


It's odd how now we have the great PG in Nash and the Mavs have to worry about Fisher's fake hustle on D.
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby GinoDB on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:05 pm

XXIV wrote:
strikemode14 wrote:I am glad Fisher was able to get work with that said all Lakers pg will get career highs in points when the lakers play the mavs..


It's odd how now we have the great PG in Nash and the Mavs have to worry about Fisher's fake hustle on D.

we have 3 pgs better than Fish and 1 young PG that can still play defense
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby SmoothOperator on Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:38 pm

It makes you wonder why Carlisle and Mavericks Management are so low on Darren Collison to bench him in favor of Fisher.

I always thought Collison was a solid young starting caliber PG.
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby King of Clutch on Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:09 pm

MAVERICKS’ COLLISON DOESN’T THINK HE GOT FAIR SHAKE AS STARTING PG

DALLAS – Darren Collison resumed the season as Derek Fisher‘s backup, a coaching decision he doesn’t like, but will have to live with.
Collison, benched Tuesday night after 14 games, said he didn’t receive a fair shot as the Dallas Mavericks’ starting point guard.
“I don’t think so, and we all know that; my teammates, they feel the same way, everybody feels the same way,” Collison said prior to Saturday night’s game against the Detroit Pistons. He made his first appearance midway through the first quarter and finished with five points and eight assists in 27 minutes.
“But, at the end of the day, coach, he makes the decision,” Collison said. “There’s nothing you can do about it but go out there and do your job.”
The Mavs went 7-7 with Collison running the point. He started the season on fire, leading an up-tempo attack and Dallas to a 4-1 record. He’s struggled since with a flat jumper and too many turnovers, as well as with individual defensive matchups.

Coach Rick Carlisle, apparently had seen enough and benched Collison Tuesday at Philadelphia, and then Collison missed Wednesday’s game at Chicago with a sprained right middle finger. It was Dallas’ third consecutive loss and its eighth in the last 11 games.
On Friday, Dallas signed Fisher to take over as the team’s starting point guard. Carlisle called the acquisition “a great situation” for Collison because the fourth-year point guard out of UCLA will be able to learn under the 38-year-old veteran, owner of five championship rings with the Lakers.
Collison said he’d prefer to learn through playing.
“I feel like at this point in my career, if there’s anything I need to learn it’s just go out there on the court and just learn from my mistakes,” Collison said. “That’s what a lot of young guards do, you go out there, you learn from your mistakes. As far as Derek Fisher, I think I can learn from him. He’s a great leader on and off the court. I’m looking forward to playing with him.”

Fisher hasn’t played since Game 5 of the last June’s NBA Finals with the Oklahoma City Thunder. He remained unsigned until Friday and went through one practice with his new Dallas teammates. Depending on Fisher’s conditioning, Collison could still be called on to play starter-type minutes.
Still, Collison didn’t hide the frustration of losing his job before December. It’s the second time in eight months that he’s dealt with moving to the bench. He lost his starting job at Indiana to George Hill after a late-season injury, a scenario Collison said was easier to swallow than this performance-based demotion.

“This is a little bit unique because I’ve never had a situation like this before,” Collison said. “I got hurt before, but not this type of situation. I know how to deal with it. I’ll be all right.”
When Dallas made the July trade with Indiana to get Collison, 25, they quickly tabbed him as Jason Kidd‘s replacement in the starting lineup. Carlisle said he has told Collison that he remains a major part of the team’s plans.

“Darren’s still one of our best players and I’ve made that clear to him,” Carlisle said. “One of the reasons we’ve had success here in recent years is we’ve had starting-caliber players playing off the bench. There are areas where Darren’s going to get better. I see him as a guy who is still developing and I can’t imagine a better situation for a point guard than being at practice every day with Derek Fisher.”
Collison is averaging 12.9 points on 43.8 percent shooting (31.6 percent on 3s), 6.3 assists and 2.5 turnovers. All 14 of his starts came without the benefit of Dirk Nowitzki, who remains out after knee surgery on Oct. 19.
“I’m mentally tough,” Collison said. “I think I’ve been through everything throughout my whole career. I pretty much know how to deal with adversity pretty well. As long as I don’t let it affect me than I should be all right.”


Seems like theres already some hostility by fishers presence. lol
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby purp n gold on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:39 am

Start Fisher, bench Collison is one of the stranger developments in this NBA season...
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby revgen on Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:44 am

Well, I can tell you this much about Collison. Morris outplayed him when we played our last game against Dallas.

I haven't seen the other Mavs games, but if Collison's performance against us is any indication, then I don't blame the coach for picking Fish over him.

Also, Carlisle had issues with West too. Now he has Collison calling him out publicly. It seems that Carlisle's philosophy about how to use PG's isn't finding a welcome reception from the PG's themselves.
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby purp n gold on Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:52 am

To be fair Collison also killed us in the season opener. But I haven't watched Mavs games this season either, so my observations are shortsighted

If anything Rick & Cuban might be trying to send a message to Collison... but signing Fish and naming him a starter might be a little excessive. Is Fisher even in game shape?
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby abeer3 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:53 am

revgen wrote:Well, I can tell you this much about Collison. Morris outplayed him when we played our last game against Dallas.

I haven't seen the other Mavs games, but if Collison's performance against us is any indication, then I don't blame the coach for picking Fish over him.

Also, Carlisle had issues with West too. Now he has Collison calling him out publicly. It seems that Carlisle's philosophy about how to use PG's isn't finding a welcome reception from the PG's themselves.


carlisle didn't really have much of a problem with west; that was more a management beef (west felt he was underpaid).

i've noticed that once a coach has a great pg, that guy seems intensely dissatisfied with others. carlisle had kidd, now he's got a bunch of younger players who don't have that kind of savvy/hoop iq. i remember don nelson had a full-on meltdown when the mavs let nash walk and he had to play terry and devin harris at pg. veteran pgs are security blankets for coaches; that's why you hear dantoni openly pine for nash once a day.
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby revgen on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:02 am

I didn't hear anything about Delonte having "money issues".

I agree that going from Kidd to Collison is a drastic step down. But starting Fisher over Collison makes no sense.
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Re: UPDATE: Fisher to sign with Mavs

Postby XXIV on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:24 am

revgen wrote:I didn't hear anything about Delonte having "money issues".

I agree that going from Kidd to Collison is a drastic step down. But starting Fisher over Collison makes no sense.


I did. During the lockout Cuban allowed him to sleep in the Mavs locker room, which is one of the reasons why West was really fond of the Mavs.
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