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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby abeer3 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:06 pm

Iceberg Slim wrote:So lets not confuse the point, because I don't agree with you. He's not a SUPERstar. I count only 6 of those in the league. But he's the definition of a "star". Averaging just under 26, 6 and 5, with a max contract, main option on your team, and a 2013 all-star selection (not given off of popularity) speaks to that. He has some holes in his game, sure. But it's ok to give a dude props. He's a hooper. And he's only going to get better from here probably. [/i]


i guess i don't see how it's ok to treat him with kid gloves and also call him a franchise player. it's one or the other, imo. role players and substars get kid gloves. harden hasn't delivered at all in the postseason, imo. and he totally wet himself in the finals last year as a third option.

and none of this speaks to my general point: he'd look rather pedestrian without the preferential treatment he gets from the refs. again, joe johnson was a better player at the same stage, imo. in his first year in atlanta, he went for 20/7/4 while being a better defensive player and actually having to earn his points. i'm just trying to keep things in perspective.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:59 pm

Iceberg Slim wrote:
aHe's not a SUPERstar. I count only 6 of those in the league. [/i]


Not to derail..... but I'd like to know where you draw that line and why.

For me it's the ability to elevate when you team needs it and lead. I see 4 such players in the NBA right now.

Kobe,
LeBron,
Wade
Duncan.

These guys are in a group of "regular season" "Stars" that haven't to date "elevated" their play when it counts IMHO....
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby abeer3 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:34 pm

i'd drop wade to that second tier (or lower), and i'd consider adding dirk and kg to the first (though their age is obviously an issue at this point, same can be said for duncan and kobe). otherwise, i agree.

and really, LeBron's on a tier by himself right now. i think paul, Durant, or howard are the likeliest candidates to join that tier, but none are there yet.

one thing i note is when guys carry a team without a second allstar to the finals. only dirk, kobe, and LeBron have done that in the last decade, i believe.

back to the thread: harden's not in this discussion. maybe not even at tier 3.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:50 pm

abeer3 wrote:i'd drop wade to that second tier (or lower), and i'd consider adding dirk and kg to the first (though their age is obviously an issue at this point, same can be said for duncan and kobe). otherwise, i agree.

and really, LeBron's on a tier by himself right now. i think paul, Durant, or howard are the likeliest candidates to join that tier, but none are there yet.

one thing i note is when guys carry a team without a second allstar to the finals. only dirk, kobe, and LeBron have done that in the last decade, i believe.

back to the thread: harden's not in this discussion. maybe not even at tier 3.


I'm no fan of Wade but the way he's integrated his game with LeBron and played some great defense at times I'd say he's there. I know everyone will bring up the refs against Dallas but that negates what he did to get that team there that year. He carried them single handedly at time and with the size of Shaq back then that was no easy effort..... :man10:

Garnett is definitely a "fellow" in that group but as you said he's too old to do it anymore.

Harden isn't in these groups yet.... but he's young and these experiences will either kill him or....pardon the pun.... Harden him.... Time will tell. He's got the tools to be a complete player that can do it.... it's the grey matter. Not unlike a 23 year old LeBron (not the ability but the brains).
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby abeer3 on Wed May 01, 2013 5:17 am

i think if you didn't like kobe's d these past couple of years, then you never should have liked wade's.

and disagree on harden: he won't end up in that group at any point. they're all head and shoulders above him in terms of tools, imo. people cite his age, but the truth is that very few players add much to their game in terms of quantum leaping after their 4th year. those that do either started from nothing, skill wise, or took time to develop the strength to play the nba game. i don't think he qualifies on either front. we can revisit this in a couple years.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby thebluemamba14 on Wed May 01, 2013 8:17 pm

OKC getting owned...
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 01, 2013 8:32 pm

This OKC team suddenly turned into Durant and a bunch of bodies.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed May 01, 2013 8:42 pm

Well if you're limited offensively and don't play any D on top of that ...

Garcia cost his team 5 points in the 3rd by stupidly gambling on KD in OKC halfcourt .

Harden is finallly having a great game
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby abeer3 on Wed May 01, 2013 8:49 pm

westbrook for mvp? their offense has fallen apart without him.

their role players are scared, too. it's hard to be loose when you're favored, and then your safety net is gone. i can't believe how poorly they're shooting. the announcers are chalking it up to Houston's d, but those shots are wide open. it's like watching the lakers the past few years.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Wed May 01, 2013 8:55 pm

Russell Westbrook was more valuable than people made him out to be.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed May 01, 2013 8:56 pm

Imagine this OKC offense against the Grizz :man10:
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby karacha on Wed May 01, 2013 9:02 pm

OKC playing hack-an-Asik game right now. It's working.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Nashty Gal on Wed May 01, 2013 9:07 pm

okc sucks.......
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby karacha on Wed May 01, 2013 9:08 pm

I don't see how they can compete in the West without their starting PG.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:09 pm

WOW.. Hack a Asik going on. I really hope the NBA does something about this damn play its garbage.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby karacha on Wed May 01, 2013 9:12 pm

Garbage, yes. But they will still lose this game.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Avenged24 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:18 pm

You guys remember the Rockets pulled this "hack-a_____" on Dwight? Karma is a b****. At least Asik is making em though!
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:18 pm

9-14 from the FT line ... yeah it worked :man10: ... as a 1st seed in the 1st round that's the most pathetic thing ever
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Frank Dux on Wed May 01, 2013 9:18 pm

Jazzygirl205 wrote:Russell Westbrook was more valuable than people made him out to be.


Yes. His shot selection can be questionable at times, but he's so agressive on the offensive end that it opens up their offense and takes pressure off of Durant.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Avenged24 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:19 pm

Garcia with the dagger.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Lqv2015 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:19 pm

Nail in the coffin. Let's see if Houston could take it to 7. Should be a good game 6.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby dj vitus on Wed May 01, 2013 9:20 pm

Imagine the first team to come back from 0-3 and advance... and that it would come from an 8th seed beating a 1st seed. :man10:
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:20 pm

Man if OKC goes down to Hou...still a far stretch but that would seriously be worse than our season.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Avenged24 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:20 pm

This now has the potential to go down as an epic meltdown by the Thunder.

Houston in 7 would be sweet.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Lqv2015 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:22 pm

I change my mind. I'd rather play OKC than SA. :man10:
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