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Postby Avenged24 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:24 pm

Lqv2015 wrote:I change my mind. I'd rather play OKC than SA. :man10:


W/out WB? hell yes. Penetrating PG's always kill the Lakers.. With no Westbrook, that disadvantage is gone..

then again, Lakers had most of their core injured so it really wouldn't have mattered.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby karacha on Wed May 01, 2013 9:25 pm

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Jazzygirl205 wrote:Russell Westbrook was more valuable than people made him out to be.


Yes. His shot selection can be questionable at times, but he's so agressive on the offensive end that it opens up their offense and takes pressure off of Durant.


Well, imagine us healthy and with Westbrook starting at the 1. :man3:
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:26 pm

Sean Highkin@shighkinNBA1 minute ago


Westbrook's injury is awful and I wish it hadn't happened but the silver lining is that we can end the "he's holding KD back" narrative now.


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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Lqv2015 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:26 pm

Jazzygirl205 wrote:Russell Westbrook was more valuable than people made him out to be.


If Houston wins this series, Patrick Beverly is the most beloved man in Houston and the most hated in OKC. Wow.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:32 pm

Jazzygirl205 wrote:Russell Westbrook was more valuable than people made him out to be.


He's definetely a Top 7-10 player in the league ... I'm not a fan but he won a lot more games for OKC than people give him credit for ... they only focus on the bad shooting games .

KD as a scorer is very efficient but he can't go for 50+ with scrubs like prime Kobe and MJ
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Avenged24 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:35 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:
Jazzygirl205 wrote:Russell Westbrook was more valuable than people made him out to be.


He's definetely a Top 7-10 player in the league ... I'm not a fan but he won a lot more games for OKC than people give him credit for ... they only focus on the bad shooting games .

KD as a scorer is very efficient but he can't go for 50+ with scrubs like prime Kobe and MJ


What's crazy is how the Thunder have this great team with so much depth.. but as soon as Westbrook goes down, they suddenly have no depth anymore -- it's just Durant vs everyone else.

Westbrook's impact is definitely underrated on that team. Not only can he penetrate at will, he can spot up, and sets his teammates up. His rep of being a "selfish" player obviously seems to benefit the team.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby ramsay13 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:38 pm

OKC needs to put their heads back on straight. They have been playing awful!
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 01, 2013 9:41 pm

karacha wrote:
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Jazzygirl205 wrote:Russell Westbrook was more valuable than people made him out to be.


Yes. His shot selection can be questionable at times, but he's so agressive on the offensive end that it opens up their offense and takes pressure off of Durant.


Well, imagine us healthy and with Westbrook starting at the 1. :man3:



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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 01, 2013 9:42 pm

OKC is missing two key of their 3 key players from the last few years successful teams here guys...... think it through....
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby shoe on Wed May 01, 2013 9:47 pm

Dick Stockton was cracking me up this game :man10:
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby wcsoldier81 on Wed May 01, 2013 9:49 pm

Avenged24 wrote:
wcsoldier81 wrote:
Jazzygirl205 wrote:Russell Westbrook was more valuable than people made him out to be.


He's definetely a Top 7-10 player in the league ... I'm not a fan but he won a lot more games for OKC than people give him credit for ... they only focus on the bad shooting games .

KD as a scorer is very efficient but he can't go for 50+ with scrubs like prime Kobe and MJ


What's crazy is how the Thunder have this great team with so much depth.. but as soon as Westbrook goes down, they suddenly have no depth anymore -- it's just Durant vs everyone else.

Westbrook's impact is definitely underrated on that team. Not only can he penetrate at will, he can spot up, and sets his teammates up. His rep of being a "selfish" player obviously seems to benefit the team.


OKC depth is vastly overrated imo ... Porkins is useless in the starting 5 ... Martin ( who is choking in the playoffs) and Collison are the only good bench players ... Jackson can become a good backup though , he's still very young
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Tobias Funke on Wed May 01, 2013 10:44 pm

Rooscooter wrote:OKC is missing two key of their 3 key players from the last few years successful teams here guys...... think it through....


Yeah, I understand some people think that the criticism Westbrook gets is overboard, but you can't subtract a top level talent from a roster and expect that team to not look noticeably worse against playoff competition. Its bad enough to try and fill in the gap with a bench player when a solid starter goes down, let alone a guy who'll be All NBA this season.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed May 01, 2013 11:30 pm

I think the worse move by OKC was moving Green for Perkins. Perkins is completely useless against almost every team. He has no offensive game & his defense is vastly overrated. With Harden being traded & Westbrook out, KD has to drop nearly 35 to 38 a night along with the onus of creating shots for others. Welcome to Kobe's world from 05-07.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Scnottaken on Thu May 02, 2013 12:14 am

dwighthowardsdad wrote:I think the worse move by OKC was moving Green for Perkins. Perkins is completely useless against almost every team. He has no offensive game & his defense is vastly overrated. With Harden being traded & Westbrook out, KD has to drop nearly 35 to 38 a night along with the onus of creating shots for others. Welcome to Kobe's world from 05-07.

and most of this year, due to injuries.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby abeer3 on Thu May 02, 2013 4:53 am

what the hell happened to kevin martin? not that he was ever as good as advertised, but this is pathetic. i think he's a mole.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Iceberg Slim on Thu May 02, 2013 10:42 am

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aHe's not a SUPERstar. I count only 6 of those in the league. [/i]


Not to derail..... but I'd like to know where you draw that line and why.

For me it's the ability to elevate when you team needs it and lead. I see 4 such players in the NBA right now.

Kobe,
LeBron,
Wade
Duncan.

These guys are in a group of "regular season" "Stars" that haven't to date "elevated" their play when it counts IMHO....
Melo
Durant
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CP3




To be honest, Wade is the hardest for me to quantify in superstar terms. It's only because of his amazing ability to be hurt all the damn time. He's a blend between a 6'4" Jordan and Manu Ginobili. Healthy, there's no debate he's top 5 in the league. Unhealthy, he's only the best role player in the league.

Superstars: Bonafide franchise players who deserve max contracts and play at elite levels in the regular season and post season. They are also amongst the best in efficiency ratings every year.

Tony Parker (yes,Tony Parker), Kevin Durant, Lebron James, Chris Paul, and Kobe Bryant. Wade, healthy. That's the short list.

You and I see differently on 3 guys - CP3, Durant, and Duncan.

Durant is having a tough series now that he's on his own and trying to find a new identity on the fly. Hard to do that at the most important time of the year with a offensively inept coach. But he's never been a guy who's games deflates upon pressure or big game situations historically. Kevin Durant is a flat-out superstar in my book.

Tim Duncan is has been relegated to a star over the past few years. They used to run the offense through him. Now it's through Parker. There is a reason for that. Duncan is having fantastic year for himself. But the engine of that team is Tony Parker and he's the most important, imo.

CP3 is the best point guard in the world, period. And as far as not elevating his game in the post season, I just don't see it. He isn't the reason the Clips are down 3-2 right now. He's the only reason they stand a fighting chance, imo. And they are losing to the better team The Clippers are as reliant on him to perform on both ends of the floor as the Lakers are with Kobe Bryant. It's actually overkill. And that's essentially the problem. Great defender, arguably the highest basketball I.Q., tenacious player, clutch performer. I love his game.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Iceberg Slim on Thu May 02, 2013 11:09 am

From my blog...

The Oklahoma City Thunder deserve everything that’s happening to them right now. And the fact that it’s happening by the hands of their once bearded star is fitting. Such glorious revenge for the man I’ve nicknamed Black Zeus. Wasn’t Zeus the God of Thunder? Ownership.

So you traded the lithe, high flying 6’8” Jeff Green, (the new star of the Boston Celtics) for the equivalent of an offensive lineman in Kendrick Perkins, when you’re entire team runs like a group of Maserati’s on the autobahn. You traded for a Chevy. In the most important game of the year, you’re tree stump of a forward logs 15:38 in playing time, gives you 5 rebounds, 3 fouls and 2 points. Sweet.

Kevin Martin, who gets out ran by the referees in this series, the same guy you traded for James Harden (31 points 8 rebounds, 7-9 3-pt fg) looked more pedestrian than old ladies waiting for cabs outside of Penn Station. How obscure what his game? His stat-line was reppin’ for Ladue, Missouri - 3 points, 1 assist, and 4 rebounds? Who reps the 314? Shameful.

I say that to say this; I’ve never seen a team up 3-2, in more trouble than the Oklahoma City Thunder. They are going BACK to Houston tomorrow, without Russell Westbrook in uniform, without a real identity as a team, and without confidence they can close this series out. And why would they? It’s not like OKC has a coach that can utilize the talent they have left. Durant might as well be Tom Hanks in “Cast Away.” The ball is his only real friend. And he’s on an island all by himself.

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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Tobias Funke on Thu May 02, 2013 11:21 am

I dont think Martin had any significant playoff experience coming in. Really he's just been one of the best players on weak teams for pretty much his entire career and IMO he was more than happy to be be a role player in OKC.

Now Westbrook goes down and everyone is looking at him to step up naturally. Pair that pressure with the fact that its Harden's team that he has to face and its a its the perfect storm for a let down.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby pound4pound1 on Thu May 02, 2013 11:25 am

Iceberg Slim wrote:From my blog...

The Oklahoma City Thunder deserve everything that’s happening to them right now. And the fact that it’s happening by the hands of their once bearded star is fitting. Such glorious revenge for the man I’ve nicknamed Black Zeus. Wasn’t Zeus the God of Thunder? Ownership.





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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby abeer3 on Thu May 02, 2013 11:33 am

do you bench perkins if you're scott brooks? risky move, chemistry-wise, but he's not useful in this series, as houston doesn't have any post players that need defending.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu May 02, 2013 11:39 am

Jazzygirl205 wrote:Russell Westbrook was more valuable than people made him out to be.


That is overly simplistic.

No one has denied Russell's skill and ability even on this board. That being said, his shot selection and inability to know that he is #2 on his team has cost his team (see: Finals last year). The other side of this is that OKC is built around KD and Westbrook so it should not be a shock that him being out may cost the team a chance at the Finals. It has just as much to do with OKC has no other #2 option on offense.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby gcclaker on Thu May 02, 2013 11:46 am

The Hack-An-Omer backfired on Brooks. He was not horrible at the charity stripe as he hoped. Asik with the exception of that hitch to gather himself for the shot has decent form. Most of his shots were dead on straight...not errant side to side. To be honest, I was rooting for him to make them just to foil that strategy.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu May 02, 2013 11:54 am

^I was too. I hate that damn strategy. 5 minutes of the 4th quarter was played with Hou shooting freethrows. All that money spent on tickets would piss me off. Hell it pissed me off and I was watching on TV.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby pound4pound1 on Thu May 02, 2013 12:23 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:^I was too. I hate that damn strategy. 5 minutes of the 4th quarter was played with Hou shooting freethrows. All that money spent on tickets would piss me off. Hell it pissed me off and I was watching on TV.



man, Stern's gotta do something about that...it's just not fun to watch...millions watching a coach exploit a loophole in the rule book

i was enjoying the game until they pulled that stunt
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby dj vitus on Thu May 02, 2013 12:29 pm

This is where OKC misses Eric Maynor, a very calm and steady PG who's already playoff proven.
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