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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby thkthebest on Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:41 pm

Harden definitely isos too much. He gets a lot of calls too, but he at least attacks the rim frequently. Durant just gets calls for no reason.

FTA : FGA (free throw attempts per attacks at the rim)

LeBron: 1.00 (exactly 1 FTA per attempt at the rim)
Wade: 1.02
Westbrook: 1.06
Carmelo: 1.23
Dwight: 1.46
Harden: 1.48
Kobe: 1.60
Durant: 2.11

Durant is a HUGE outlier. He more than doubles LeBron, Wade, and Westbrook. Carmelo and Dwight are extremely physical players, but Durant is the guy who somehow gets way more free throws than anybody else while also attempting the least amount of shots at the rim. He just magically gets free throws on his jumpers all the time. Players foul Dwight on purpose because he can't make free throws. Players try not to foul Durant. That doesn't matter.

Dwight and LeBron (yes, LeBron) should get more calls but they're so big and strong that they don't. Rose was also a player that I thought should get more calls.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby abeer3 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:09 pm

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abeer3 wrote:i'm sure asik got away with same on the other end more than once. and again, if people want to complain about officiating, complain about how harden gets treated on most forays to the hoop. this is a minor crime in comparison to the advantage houston receives throughout the game.



You make it sound like the 06' Finals and Wade treatment the way Harden gets calls. It's no where near that serious. Minor crime? Over-exaggeration imo. Sure, Harden gets some calls. What star player doesn't? But he racks up FTA because he's crafty around the rim.


harden's treatment is the closest i've seen to mid-career wade-level ref bias. it's disgusting. i don't believe in "getting to the line" as a skill. just try to put the ball in the basket. if the defense fouls you, then you shoot fts. but getting a guy off balance, then ramming a shoulder into him...i don't respect it, period. when he doesn't rack up big fta numbers, he looks ordinary. that's a sign.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby gill on Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:30 pm

No Westbrook so it means KD unleashed. 20 points already?
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby gill on Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:30 pm

OKC has gone ice cold in the 3rd.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Lqv2015 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:45 pm

Let's go Houston! Just want them to win for a good series.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby thkthebest on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:00 pm

Of course another rip through foul for Durant.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby gill on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:12 pm

Lucky 3-point bounce for Durant :man10:
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Legendary on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:13 pm

UUgggghhh...

It hurts seeing Fish on another team.

Clutch FTs.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby gill on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:19 pm

Harden don't want to take the last shot? C'mon...

Good fight from the Rockets but they're done.

I think those two missed FT's by harden with like two minutes late cost them.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:20 pm

Harden is such a choker when the game is on the line.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:21 pm

You can't have your leader missing 1/3 of his free throws....
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Iceberg Slim on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:34 pm

Durant showed his @ss tonight.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby MadMax on Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:18 am

Iceberg Slim wrote:Durant showed his @ss tonight.

Did he? I expect a fine coming his way for that.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:32 am

Harden in this series : 37% from the field , 19% from 3pts ... another example he's the most fabricated star in the league ...
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:15 am

KD carries this team to WCF maybe he will finally realize that he needs to be the Alpha male on this team and not Westbrook
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:11 am

Just one game but I don't think this game proved KD doesn't need Bodie Broadus or needs to shoot a lot more ...

OKC stagnant offense is quite a pb with and without Westbrook
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:13 am

Just one game but I don't think this game proved KD doesn't need Bodie Broadus or needs to shoot a lot more ...

OKC stagnant offense is quite a pb with and without Westbrook
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:39 am

This team looks vulnerable without Westbrook. I know a lot of people were thinking that OKC might be better off without him, but Durant can't rely on guys like Martin and Sefelosha. They were barely able to beat a sorry houston team, if the role players on OKC don't step up, they're going to get dismantled by either the Clippers or Memphis. The Clips have a much more balanced offense than Houston and much better defensively, and Memphis, while not as good offensively, do have a top tier defense, which will be able to limit Durant. Hell, Houston was able to adjust in the second half and made Durant a chucker. Imagine what the Grizz could do.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:39 am

This team looks vulnerable without Westbrook. I know a lot of people were thinking that OKC might be better off without him, but Durant can't rely on guys like Martin and Sefelosha. They were barely able to beat a sorry houston team, if the role players on OKC don't step up, they're going to get dismantled by either the Clippers or Memphis. The Clips have a much more balanced offense than Houston and much better defensively, and Memphis, while not as good offensively, do have a top tier defense, which will be able to limit Durant. Hell, Houston was able to adjust in the second half and made Durant a chucker. Imagine what the Grizz could do.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby abeer3 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:16 am

KBJelleyBean24 wrote:This team looks vulnerable without Westbrook. I know a lot of people were thinking that OKC might be better off without him, but Durant can't rely on guys like Martin and Sefelosha. They were barely able to beat a sorry houston team, if the role players on OKC don't step up, they're going to get dismantled by either the Clippers or Memphis. The Clips have a much more balanced offense than Houston and much better defensively, and Memphis, while not as good offensively, do have a top tier defense, which will be able to limit Durant. Hell, Houston was able to adjust in the second half and made Durant a chucker. Imagine what the Grizz could do.


yep. exposed brooks' coaching and the fact that okc only has one player that can reliably generate points in the paint. ibaka's done some good things in this series and has improved as a player over the past two years, but houston's guarding him with guys 6-8 inches shorter, and doing so pretty effectively. that's embarrassing. houston came out super flat, but if they simply go after durant like they did in the second half from the get go, they should win game 4. i imagine okc's role players will shoot better from the perimeter at home and thus have enough to win this series. but mem/lac: i really don't think it would be super competitive.

on the other side, let's say kobe had the series harden's had so far...what would people be saying about him?
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Iceberg Slim on Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:17 am

on the other side, let's say kobe had the series harden's had so far...what would people be saying about him?


First of all, that's no where near fair. Stakes are high for Kobe. He's a 5-time champion and a legend. If he's not playing at the highest of human performance, he's definitely getting criticism. And he should. He's the arguably the best in the world. James Harden has made his first real step as a franchise player only this year. Let's cut him a bit of slack. And let's look at his numbers while we're at it.

28.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg. 4.7 apg for the series. His shooting percentage is absolutely abysmal - 36%. 3 pt even worse at 19%. But he's shot 42 free throws in 3 games, an average of 14 per night, good for 81% from the charity. You say you don't respect his style of drawing contact and getting to the stripe? You're entitled to that. But numbers don't have opinions. And his numbers show he's finding a way to be effective. And I respect THAT.

Games 1-3 stat lines:

1. 20 points, 6 rebounds, and 6 assists
2. 36 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists.
3. 30 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks.

He's having a decent series against a superior team as the only option, imo.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Forward Three on Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:37 am

It'd be pretty cool if KD went ahead and averaged 40ppg for the rest of the playoffs or something equally mad.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby abeer3 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:57 pm

Iceberg Slim wrote:
on the other side, let's say kobe had the series harden's had so far...what would people be saying about him?


First of all, that's no where near fair. Stakes are high for Kobe. He's a 5-time champion and a legend. If he's not playing at the highest of human performance, he's definitely getting criticism. And he should. He's the arguably the best in the world. James Harden has made his first real step as a franchise player only this year. Let's cut him a bit of slack. And let's look at his numbers while we're at it.

28.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg. 4.7 apg for the series. His shooting percentage is absolutely abysmal - 36%. 3 pt even worse at 19%. But he's shot 42 free throws in 3 games, an average of 14 per night, good for 81% from the charity. You say you don't respect his style of drawing contact and getting to the stripe? You're entitled to that. But numbers don't have opinions. And his numbers show he's finding a way to be effective. And I respect THAT.

Games 1-3 stat lines:

1. 20 points, 6 rebounds, and 6 assists
2. 36 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists.
3. 30 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks.

He's having a decent series against a superior team as the only option, imo.


note that you have to go to FTAs as a measure of effectiveness. how low would his fg% be if he didn't get bailed out at least twice a game on wild drives to the basket?

you're right: i don't respect it, and the numbers certainly don't lie. he's shooting 36% from the field even with the refs in his back pocket. he hasn't crapped the bed as badly as he did in the finals last year, but he's certainly not striking fear into the heart of the opponent...unless it's a dead ball.

i don't get the double standard, either. if kobe put up three games like this with his team down 3-0 as a result, we'd NEVER hear the end of it. i haven't heard word 1 about his poor play.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby Iceberg Slim on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:20 pm

note that you have to go to FTAs as a measure of effectiveness.


:man3: So...getting your defender and/or the opposing big man in foul trouble to create free shots for yourself and putting that team in the bonus/double bonus isn't effective? Yep, you're right abeer. That doesn't make sense.

how low would his fg% be if he didn't get bailed out at least twice a game on wild drives to the basket?



His low fg% comes from bad shots and good defense. Yet, you want to imagine what his fg% would be like IF? The facts are, he's manipulated defenses/referees (whatever logic the reader wants to adhere to) to his advantage. Personally, I'd love if Dwight drew fouls to the tune of 80% from the line. I'd be a happier Laker fan.





I don't get the double standard, either. if kobe put up three games like this with his team down 3-0 as a result, we'd NEVER hear the end of it. i haven't heard word 1 about his poor play.


You know abeer...you're really smart. I'm going to pretend you're playing as if you're not here. James Harden vs. Kobe Bryant's expectations as a franchise player? Can't see why that's different? :man3: Ok bro.
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Re: West 1st round (1) OKC Thunder vs (8) Houston Rockets

Postby thkthebest on Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:49 pm

Harden is such a terrible defender. He also needs to learn to take care of the ball. Some of his passes are just really bad.
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