Whistle-blower: Not only MLB players

Whistle-blower: Not only MLB players

Postby Vindicated on Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:40 pm

The man who turned the Biogenesis clinic from a quiet investigation in Miami into a national scandal says there are at least a dozen more athletes whose names haven't been exposed and that they come from across the sports world.

Porter Fischer, the former Biogenesis of Miami clinic employee who turned boxes of documents over to the Miami New Times last year, declined to name the athletes. But in his first television interview, Fischer told "Outside the Lines" that numerous sports had at least one athlete who received performance-enhancing drugs from clinic founder Tony Bosch.

Fischer said he and associates have identified athletes from the NBA, NCAA, professional boxing, tennis and MMA, in addition to other professional baseball players who have not yet been identified. As far as he knows, Fischer said, Bosch had no clients from the NFL or NHL.

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Postby 432J on Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:58 pm

shocking that he claims to have had no clients from the NFL

wade immediately comes to mind though
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:44 pm

Kobe is smart enough to go overseas for his questionable training regimens.

Probably Wade or Bron. And I wouldn't be surprised if Allen was on that list. He's an "ironman" of the league.
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Re: Whistle-blower: Not only MLB players

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:40 pm

Wade, Kobe, LeBron, Dwight all come to mind immediately. I'm sure there's some lesser known guys on it too. I wouldn't be surprised if Dirk was and Fish and Elton Brand.
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Postby jimbo327 on Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:15 pm

For sure, Wade was doing it, if I had to put money on it.

For sure, Pau is clean, if I had to put money on it.
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Postby D.B. Cooper on Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:21 pm

I really hope it's Coward, Wade, Biff and Bron.
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Postby Johnnyboy on Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:25 am

The way kobe played last season made lots of people wonder how he was doing it. At his age, with that many miles. It was amazing.
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Postby CaCHooKa Man on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:01 am

ive suspected kobes had something going on since he came back from that severely sprained ankle in the playoffs against the hornets and destroyed okafor on this dunk:



i saw the little bandage on his arm and wondered what happened

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Postby trodgers on Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:41 am

I'd be mildly surprised if Kobe were on the list.
I'd be not one bit surprised if Wade is on the list.
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Postby abeer3 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:57 am

trodgers wrote:I'd be mildly surprised if Kobe were on the list.
I'd be not one bit surprised if Wade is on the list.


yep. i'm 50/50 on kobe, 80/20 on wade.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:06 am

That shot I'd guess was a pain killer. He was documented to take one before the game started so he could play on the ankle if I'm not mistaken.

If Wade ISN'T on PEDs I'll be shocked. I'd bet a lot of money on that. In fact, I wonder what the over/under is in Vegas on that...
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Postby Iceberg Slim on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:50 am

I understand Wade being mentioned here but, first one off the top of your head? :man3: I found that as a strange admission. Lebron's name comes to mind first and foremost. He's so big/fast/strong that its probably to good to be true. 2nd is easily Dwight Howard. Kobe is 3rd based on his resiliency and fountain of youth aura he has obtained over the years. Then I'd mention Wade. PED's keeps elite players from being sidelined with nagging/long term injuries. Wade is the epitome of the physically regressing player. Sure, he took it at one point. I agree with that. But since 2010, he's been quite brittle. Doesn't look like a guy who's reaping the benefits of PED's and flourishing due to them.

As far as the report, I'm kinda surprised only one player was possibly identified.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:55 am

Iceberg Slim wrote:I understand Wade being mentioned here but, first one off the top of your head? :man3: I found that as a strange admission. Lebron's name comes to mind first and foremost. He's so big/fast/strong that its probably to good to be true. 2nd is easily Dwight Howard. Kobe is 3rd based on his resiliency and fountain of youth aura he has obtained over the years. Then I'd mention Wade. PED's keeps elite players from being sidelined with nagging/long term injuries. Wade is the epitome of the physically regressing player. Sure, he took it at one point. I agree with that. But since 2010, he's been quite brittle. Doesn't look like a guy who's reaping the benefits of PED's and flourishing due to them.

As far as the report, I'm kinda surprised only one player was possibly identified.

Wade is first for me BECAUSE of his injuries. First of all, he has had SO MANY injuries even just to his knees and he's come back and had the same/similar explosive ability through the years. His recovery time is basically nonsensical. Most PEDs at the professional level are used for recovery and not for build, so Wade easily tops my list.

Then probably LeBron. Then probably Kobe. Then probably Howard. Then at least a dozen more guys after that who we aren't thinking of.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:06 am

Hell, who knows players from the 90's could've taken them too. Nobody knows, nobody really tested or cared back then until baseball blew up.
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Postby Iceberg Slim on Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:18 am

^Your exact logic should be aligned with Kobe Bryant, not Wade. Recovery time? Who recovers faster than Kobe and plays at a high level in the NBA, especially considering mileage and age? Kobe recently said he's 3-4 months ahead of time right now. Wade had suffered injuries, sure. But his recovery is NOT fast. Look at this years playoffs for proof. If I'm not mistaken, game 5 in the Finals was the first game he had at least 20 points since playing Milwaukee in round 1. Kobe has bad games and physical slumps at times, sporadically. Wade has bad months, plural, yet he's played 7 years less than Kobe. He's still explosive because he's simply an elite athlete. Kobe has had multiple knee surgeries, shoulder surgery, the most severe ankle sprains I've ever seen, torn tendons in this shooting hand, and now an achilles tear. And he's 3 months ahead of schedule lol? Again, I don't see how Wade is the first guy suspected to be on PED's if the argument is recovery time and sustainability of physical gifts. Kobe in year 17, just had one of his best years in 2012.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:38 am

Iceberg Slim wrote:^Your exact logic should be aligned with Kobe Bryant, not Wade. Recovery time? Who recovers faster than Kobe and plays at a high level in the NBA, especially considering mileage and age? Kobe recently said he's 3-4 months ahead of time right now. Wade had suffered injuries, sure. But his recovery is NOT fast. Look at this years playoffs for proof. If I'm not mistaken, game 5 in the Finals was the first game he had at least 20 points since playing Milwaukee in round 1. Kobe has bad games and physical slumps at times, sporadically. Wade has bad months, plural, yet he's played 7 years less than Kobe. He's still explosive because he's simply an elite athlete. Kobe has had multiple knee surgeries, shoulder surgery, the most severe ankle sprains I've ever seen, torn tendons in this shooting hand, and now an achilles tear. And he's 3 months ahead of schedule lol? Again, I don't see how Wade is the first guy suspected to be on PED's if the argument is recovery time and sustainability of physical gifts. Kobe in year 17, just had one of his best years in 2012.

That's one example from a plethora of injuries. Wade has had how many major injuries over the last few years and he still exhibits athleticism that at times can be transcendent. His body image and injury history are consistent with a person who uses PEDs to recover, speeding up the process, and thus not allowing the body to do the things it needs to do to recover properly and injuring himself again.

You're right about Kobe, but this is one season we're talking about. The reason he's third on my list and not first is because Wade exhibits not only the pattern of injuries, but the appearance as well. Namely his jaw line. LeBron comes second because of his physical body. It just seems to not make sense much like Shaq's back in the 90s and early 2000s. Sometimes people are genetically gifted though.

Kobe comes third because of his meteoric rise this last season. He seemed more explosive, more athletic, and more capable than he had in years. He says it's because of a stricter diet and of course we all know of his off-the-court work ethic. There's enough smoke there to see a fire, but there's also enough back story to give him more of a benefit of the doubt. Not much, and not enough for me to be above suspicion, but certainly more than Wade or LeBron. He doesn't exhibit the physical appearance of PED use or show a pattern of injury consistent with PED use. I wouldn't be surprised if he gave in to the pressure of using PEDs in his 17th season after seeing his body start to fail in his 15th and 16th season.

Howard comes fourth, but if it had been a year before his back injury he'd probably be second or third.
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Re: Whistle-blower: Not only MLB players

Postby NewDynasty on Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:55 pm

I would bet my house that wade has used/using it
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Postby JSM on Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:35 pm

Here's why Wade's the first one that comes to mind:

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Then Bron.

Dwight's used some, but he's always been a monster in the weight room, so he hasn't been bathing in the stuff like the Miami duo.
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Postby 432J on Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:38 pm

wade and dwight i would be more shocked if they hadn't. dwight was just huge in his orlando days, not to mention that both played or have played the majority of their careers in florida

wouldn't be shocked if kobe came up though sadly. lebron wouldn't be shocking either
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Postby Frank Dux on Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:06 pm

I'm going to laugh so hard if Howard's name comes up.


The second biggest suspect is D-Whistle for sure. If his name comes up, does the NBA vacate the Heat titles?
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Postby purp n gold on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:10 pm

I pray he isn't, but I would not be surprised if Kobe was on the list.
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Postby John3:16 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:28 pm

My money is on Pau Gasol.
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Postby Lakerjones on Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:26 pm

NewDynasty wrote:I would bet my house that wade has used/using it


Me, too. Lebronze also comes to mind immediately. Wouldn't doubt Howard, either. Wouldn't be shocked by a guy like Russell Westbrook either. I think there could realistically be quite a number of NBA players on PED's however. Derrick Rose mentioned it if you remember a couple years ago. Weren't Rashard Lewis and Turkuglu busted for steroids? And those aren't guys you would expect.
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Re: Whistle-blower: Not only MLB players

Postby Lakerjones on Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:28 pm

JSM wrote:Here's why Wade's the first one that comes to mind:

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Then Bron.

Dwight's used some, but he's always been a monster in the weight room, so he hasn't been bathing in the stuff like the Miami duo.


:man10: Agreed.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:26 pm

So anyone think the tennis players on the list are the Williams sisters. Serena has just about all the signs. Cut her hair short and she's Mike Tyson....
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