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Postby ZenMaster4President on Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:28 am

Doc has been banned? Would like to know on what grounds...
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Postby 2Pacalypse on Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:31 am

Did he really get banned? :man5:
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Postby Chicano on Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:33 am

WTF!?? You gotta' be kidding me. How? Why? :man3:
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Postby LaLaKeRz4LiFe on Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:38 am

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Postby Weezy on Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:44 am

Wow. We saw it possibly coming, but that was a while ago and nothing happened. Wonder what the final reason was, don't remember him saying anything offensive recently.
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Postby blakeruns on Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:27 am

it must've been an egregious error on GCMD's part


while i understand rules are rules, i would hope lee-way
would be given to excellent contributors like GC.

if he HAD to be banned, then so be it.
but if it was something minor, i would be quite upset that he was exiled
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Postby Frank The Tank on Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:32 am

I didnt even know about this. I wonder what he did. I never noticed him do anything. But he did seem kinda negative and grouchy this season for some reason.
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Postby CrazyLikeCatfish on Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:36 am

I am highly curious to what happened. He always posted strong, but hmm, I wonder what happened?
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Postby Xepa on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:03 am

He was always one of my
favorites. I hope the argument
built up for him was strong,
because he was that strong
of a poster.
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Postby KB24 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:43 am

I don't have the time right now to explain why and what happened...

GameCock and Critical Beatdown were both banned. And we banned both for the same reason. I or one of my fellow staff members will go in depth when we have the time.

but a few things

1. We didn't take the easy way out by any stretch of imagination. We discussed the issue for more than a few days and considered every opportunity and possible consequences...we hate to ban veteran members.

2. The staff as a whole makes the final decision. I can say that we were all in agreement and fine with the final consensus.
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Postby Lakerman JSJ on Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:58 am

^Just to add to that. This was a very difficult decision for the staff to come to for both users. A lot of chances were given to each poster to ensure they continue their stay here uninterrupted and finally it came down to enough being enough.

We can't allow users to take advantage of the fact that they are long-time contributors by continuously breaking rules when asked to stop. It really is a shame, they were certainly 2 of my personal faves.
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Postby Kingsama on Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:27 am

man that sucks both will be terribly missed.

My question is where and how do yall discuss this? yall got some sort of secret staff only board???
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Postby Chicano on Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:35 am

Edit.
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Postby TXLAKERFAN on Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:35 am

:man5: LO even taking out members of CL.
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Postby Radner on Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:36 am

Since it involved GMCD and CB, was Lamar Odom the centerpiece of the issue?
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Postby JuanoLAL on Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:35 am

Of course LO was the reason! GCMD vehemently opposed Lamar and CB loved him, opposites clash, the problem with them is they both personally attacked other people in very witty ways. I'm bummed that they are gone, they were both of my personal favorite posters on this site. RIP
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Postby Sirron on Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:03 pm

Tragic. Couldn't you have just made them spend some time with Kurt Rambis or something? :man10:
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Postby CrazyLikeCatfish on Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:36 pm

That really sucks, but if it had to be done, it had to be done. Both will be missed dearly because of their contributions to the site.
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Postby KB24 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:43 pm

OK, one thing I can say is that its not about Lamar Odom.

We are not going to ban 2 veteran members just because they disagree on one or two subjects. We took our time with both members and decided to eventually ban them IF they fail to lchange which happened unfortunetly from our point of view.

Members need to know that we don't make decisions based on personal perception but rather try to think the bigger picture and see whats best for the site and for the majority of the members.

GC and CB have both been talked to by the staff and they didn't bother to adjust. We told them that as a veteran we expect them to do better than that but unfortunetly they might have thought that veterans are above the law which is not the case. Also the open challenges to the mods were unaccaptable. We sure DO bother to keep them around but we aren't gonna accept a double standard which eventually led to the decision that we have to ban 2 members to keep 20 others around.

I'm not going to bring up quotes and stuff like that...we DO have that but we won't expose anyone here on CL, nor do we feel the necessity to do it because quite frankly the staff doesn't owe accountability to anyone and we don't want tto set off an avalanche for the future.

we have absolutely no problems to enlighten the members about our decisions and answer questions. Its important to know that its still everybody's homepage and we are here to coordinate and organize everybody's requirements not to make our own rules and force everyone to accept it.

We really try to keep every member and always take the time...it is tough now because we have more than 10 K members but we still try our best. I think CL has one of the most respectful and careful staffs I have ever seen. On other pages they drop members without bothering, the staff members officially bash members and bait and what not...we have a really patient admin who cares a lot about the site and also mods that spend hours and hours to offer a good product. We are happy with what we have done and the ever growing number of members indicate a solid policy.
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Postby Weezy on Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:22 pm

If you had to ban CB and GC to save 20 others then this was about LO, no need to BS us we're not stupid. I don't agree with it at all, especially not being able to argue your points strongly without getting banned, but what can I do or say, I don't wanna get banned myself just for speaking out, which I know can happen cause it just did.
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Postby KB24 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:33 pm

Weezy wrote:If you had to ban CB and GC to save 20 others then this was about LO, no need to BS us we're not stupid. I don't agree with it at all, especially not being able to argue your points strongly without getting banned, but what can I do or say, I don't wanna get banned myself just for speaking out, which I know can happen cause it just did.


sorry Weezy, you are absolutely wrong and it seems to me that your post is just provocative to "tease" the staff.

GameCock and Critical Beatdown have had a track record before. We tried it with suspension and it didn't have any affects and that was WAAAAY before any Odom discussion, it was actually last year. CB for example had FOUR warnings and a suspension before, thats more than enaugh chances for anyone. We aren't babysitters here and we can't give someone 100 chances. We have 10000 members to take care of.

If we wanted to just kick some members we would choose some random fans and not some that are the center of attention on the site.

We aren't trying to fool any member. The day I feel we have to fool members in order to make a decision I will step down as a mod because a staff has to believe in the decisions they make and if they have to fool members, they obviously DO NOT believe in it.

I had expected you to do better than that...and please don't act like we would ban a member for just expressing their opinion. Thats weak sause and opinions have NEVER been the reason for ANY ban. Its the way you express your opinion and the intention that gets members banned or suspended or whatever.


With the members, that was just methaphorical. Its not like 20 people complained and asked for their head and we had no choice. What I wanted to say and which you obviously didn't grasp was that we won't accept baiting and flaming members. We couldn't allow GC and CB to continue to create hovac on the site and attack members. period.

Ist one thing to argument and debate and discuss and back up your opinion but its another to diss mods and provoke other members to flame.

Flaming and provoking someone else to flame are equally bad in my book.
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Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:35 pm

Kingsama wrote:man that sucks both will be terribly missed.

My question is where and how do yall discuss this? yall got some sort of secret staff only board???


Well we tried the CL logo beam in the sky, but it only limited us to meetings at night and running CL is a 24 hour task.

So now we got our own illuminating purple phones. So I hope that answers your question Kingsama :man12:

Now to the rest of the folks that decided to chime in....

I always have to wonder, why folks question our authoritahr.

I have a question for you guys. In all honesty, would you consider our website and the moderating of it lenient compared to other fan message boards?

From previous feedback, CL.com has always been known to welcome all opinions and be very lenient with members and how they adjust to the rules.

No one follows the rules perfect here, but its the way you adjust that matters.

Our approach as a staff is one that Phil Jackson practices: we won't call a timeout, unless its absolutely necessary. Otherwise we let you guys figure it out cause for the most part, the CL community is mature enough to do so.

So even though most are more curious as to why and how this happened instead of questioning the staff's decision, I still somewhat take offense to the latter.

This staff has patience and restraint for days. So understand that it must take ALOT to get the boot here at CL, especially if you are a veteran presence here.

All we ask is that you guys adjust to the very limited rules we have in effect here and act civilly towards one another. If that happens, no "timeouts" are necessary.
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Postby 2Pacalypse on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:33 pm

Weezy wrote:If you had to ban CB and GC to save 20 others then this was about LO, no need to BS us we're not stupid. I don't agree with it at all, especially not being able to argue your points strongly without getting banned, but what can I do or say, I don't wanna get banned myself just for speaking out, which I know can happen cause it just did.
How can you say this was a bad decision without knowing all the info?

The staff gave Chris a lot of changes to stop and he didn't... Chris was a good member, but the staff shouldn't be giving him special treatment because he was a good member.

I even had a couple of conversations with Chris and other people about this problem.... the staff gave Chris enough warnings to banned him. A lot of members have been banned for a lot less...

The CL staff is very lenient...

So it's ok for you to make fun of the staff because you don't agree with their decision... :nono2:
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Postby Weezy on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:37 pm

Fine, you guys are right, let's just erase GCMD from our memories and all smile and pretend nothing happened. What makes you think I DON'T know all the info, GC was one of my favorite posters, I talked to him frequently through PM, I knew what was going on and we expected he might be banned in time and it still sucks.
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Postby 2Pacalypse on Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:41 pm

Weezy wrote:Fine, you guys are right, let's just erase GCMD from our memories and all smile and pretend nothing happened. What makes you think I DON'T know all the info, GC was one of my favorite posters, I talked to him frequently through PM, I knew what was going on and we expected he might be banned in time and it still sucks.
If you knew what was going on... Why are you acting like the staff didn't have the right to banned him? :man10:
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