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Postby kickit on Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:49 am

MauriceA.J wrote:5 players for JO!!!! With the 2 rounders!!!! That's too much, and we couldv'e proposed that to KG......
Keep Walton and Javaris


But the Lakers didn't, so it isn't to much to ask for unless you want to go into this season as we are right now.
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Re: No way

Postby Paul on Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:40 am

bynum18 wrote:Bynum= Karrem Ablul jabbarr/ hakkem holajawon!!!

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Are u drunk?
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Postby fijidaddy on Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:45 am

kickit wrote:You can pray all you want to Mitch to land Jermaine O'Neal, but to get him the lakers ARE GOING TO HAVE to give up both Bynum and Odom. Thats the serious truth. For many of you here on this site you have some wishfull thinking that the Pacers are just going to hand over O'Neal a 6 time All star whos just turned 28.



Kobe put it out there, he wants to win now.

Bynum is future hopes, Lamar cant support Kobe to his best capability.
JO makes sense to bring in....

But I agree that they will not just hand him over....
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Postby MadMax on Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:55 am

yeah right!

honestly, i'd be surprised if Bynum was even being offered right now.
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Postby fijidaddy on Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:07 am

Jo would be nice, but at the same time Dfish,Kobe, Lamar, Luke & Bynum/Kwame/Mihm can be a good thing. {starting}

with Bynum and Kwame rotating...Mihm backing up and limited minutes.

Cook--who knows.♦
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Postby Klewfish on Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:22 am

Crispy wrote:
Helljumper wrote:
Klewfish wrote:Bynum = Jefferson
Javaris = Green
Kwame = Ratliff
Cook = Telfair
Luke = Gomes
2 1sts = 2 1sts


That's comparing the players from this proposed trade to the KG trade. Not in overall talent but as far as Bynum/Jefferson being the designated "young stud big" and Javaris and Green being the designated "young potential guard" and Kwame/Ratliff being "cap relief" etc. If that was the deal, we could've had KG.


That's exactly how I felt.


No way is Bynum equal to Jefferson or Gomes equal to Walton. Jefferson is and will be the better player than Bynum, plain and simple. Gomes is very athletic, can board, play defense, AND score. He's the complete package and he's going to be a very good player. Walton's just a bench player that Laker fans overrate.


You obviously didn't read what I wrote after the comparisons. Gomes isn't that good of a scorer, and is extremely inconsistent at this time. He doesn't have a lot of range. He'd have one good game and then be non existent for a week. I'd give the scoring edge to Luke, he can't create his own shot but he knows how to get shots. Gomes has defense over Luke. They rebound the ball about the same (Gomes has 5.6 in 31 min, Luke had 5.0 in 33 min). Luke has the advantage in passing, Bball IQ. For the sake of this trade they have the same value. I don't think Gomes was a trade breaker for Minny.
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Re: AM 570 newest rumor

Postby Mrlopez8 on Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:59 am

Kobe's Empire wrote:No idea if it was posted, I looked through and I didn't see anything.... but my friend called me and said Steve Hartman said

Bynum, Cook, Kwame, Walton, Javaris, and 2 FIRST ROUNDERS


for JO


I think it;s too much. I want to at least keep teh first 2 rounders or keep Javaris instead....I'd do Bynym Cook Kwame Walton and a First rounder....WE HAVE A SOLID 8 MAN ROTATION THEN FOR THE PLAYOFFS....or at least Keep Luke if you give up Javaris

But how stupid would we look if Bynum is a beast this year and javaris becomes a stud?

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Ody/Turiafy
JOy/Mihmy the 8 man rotation would be the starters and Farmer Turiaf and either Javy or Mihmy


I would take back Javaris Crittenton and the 2 first rounders. JO is not worth that. We really need to see how Jarvis plays before any though of trading him. We will regret it if Javaris Crittenton turns out to be a very good player. The 2 first rounders is the only way the Lakers can get more talent to help the team. We will have nothing to trade if they do the JO deal.
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Postby MadMax on Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:03 am

jarvis, like Bynum, may prove to be a costly mistake to let them go, before the develop.
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Postby Mrlopez8 on Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:23 am

MadMax wrote:jarvis, like Bynum, may prove to be a costly mistake to let them go, before the develop.


Amen brother!
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Postby Crispy on Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:40 am

Won't give up Bynum AND Crittenton for JO.
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Postby Helljumper on Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:51 am

Crispy wrote:
Helljumper wrote:
Klewfish wrote:Bynum = Jefferson
Javaris = Green
Kwame = Ratliff
Cook = Telfair
Luke = Gomes
2 1sts = 2 1sts


That's comparing the players from this proposed trade to the KG trade. Not in overall talent but as far as Bynum/Jefferson being the designated "young stud big" and Javaris and Green being the designated "young potential guard" and Kwame/Ratliff being "cap relief" etc. If that was the deal, we could've had KG.


That's exactly how I felt.


No way is Bynum equal to Jefferson or Gomes equal to Walton. Jefferson is and will be the better player than Bynum, plain and simple. Gomes is very athletic, can board, play defense, AND score. He's the complete package and he's going to be a very good player. Walton's just a bench player that Laker fans overrate.


I mean that what we're offering is similar but not as talented. Bynum is the young big with potential, Crittenton is the athletic guard, Kwame is the big expiring contract, Cook is filler, and Luke is a good role player.

Bynum isn't as talented as Jefferson, Crittenton hasn't played in the NBA yet, and Luke isn't as talented as Gomes.

But that's the point. We shouldn't be giving up equal talent that the Celtics gave up because JO isn't nearly as talented as KG.

With that said, I wouldn't pull the trigger on this trade. Replace Crittenton with Farmar and Luke with Evans and I'd do it.
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Postby KobeDunk10 on Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:14 am

Crispy wrote:Won't give up Bynum AND Crittenton for JO.


I wouldn't either, take Critt out and substutute him with Farmar or Sasha and I'd consider it! But I wouldn't give up bith Crit and Bynum and also Walton, no way!
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Postby tjs7831 on Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:21 am

It would be great to hear from Bynum. Something; to appease us. Let us know what he's up to. A workout shot. Something to tell us, "Hey, I'm not worth trading" or "I've been sitting on my... all break, trade me."
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Postby DALakeshow on Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:53 am

Im to the point where id just rather keep the same team and let them develop. Kobe needs to understand that you cant build a championship contender overnight. Sometimes you got to grow together as team in to a contender.

Kobe wants a already made championship team, but it dont always work like that.
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Postby lakerskobe247 on Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:22 pm

DALakeshow wrote:Im to the point where id just rather keep the same team and let them develop. Kobe needs to understand that you cant build a championship contender overnight. Sometimes you got to grow together as team in to a contender.

Kobe wants a already made championship team, but it dont always work like that.

Celtics?
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Postby KobeDunk10 on Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:05 pm

lakerskobe247 wrote:
DALakeshow wrote:Im to the point where id just rather keep the same team and let them develop. Kobe needs to understand that you cant build a championship contender overnight. Sometimes you got to grow together as team in to a contender.

Kobe wants a already made championship team, but it dont always work like that.

Celtics?


it took 1 month not overnight! :cry:
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Re: No way

Postby gradymac on Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:41 pm

Paul wrote:
bynum18 wrote:Bynum= Karrem Ablul jabbarr/ hakkem holajawon!!!

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Are u drunk?


bynum=erick dampier at best if lucky maybe even antonio davis
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Postby sm61893 on Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:56 pm

KobeDunk10 wrote:
lakerskobe247 wrote:
DALakeshow wrote:Im to the point where id just rather keep the same team and let them develop. Kobe needs to understand that you cant build a championship contender overnight. Sometimes you got to grow together as team in to a contender.

Kobe wants a already made championship team, but it dont always work like that.

Celtics?


it took 1 month not overnight! :cry:


Everyone keeps saying Celtics, they have not won yet. I'm not sure they will win it all this year. I still think the best teams are in the west.
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Postby Godfather on Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:00 pm

Helljumper wrote:
Crispy wrote:
Helljumper wrote:
Klewfish wrote:Bynum = Jefferson
Javaris = Green
Kwame = Ratliff
Cook = Telfair
Luke = Gomes
2 1sts = 2 1sts


That's comparing the players from this proposed trade to the KG trade. Not in overall talent but as far as Bynum/Jefferson being the designated "young stud big" and Javaris and Green being the designated "young potential guard" and Kwame/Ratliff being "cap relief" etc. If that was the deal, we could've had KG.


That's exactly how I felt.


No way is Bynum equal to Jefferson or Gomes equal to Walton. Jefferson is and will be the better player than Bynum, plain and simple. Gomes is very athletic, can board, play defense, AND score. He's the complete package and he's going to be a very good player. Walton's just a bench player that Laker fans overrate.


I mean that what we're offering is similar but not as talented. Bynum is the young big with potential, Crittenton is the athletic guard, Kwame is the big expiring contract, Cook is filler, and Luke is a good role player.

Bynum isn't as talented as Jefferson, Crittenton hasn't played in the NBA yet, and Luke isn't as talented as Gomes.

But that's the point. We shouldn't be giving up equal talent that the Celtics gave up because JO isn't nearly as talented as KG.

With that said, I wouldn't pull the trigger on this trade. Replace Crittenton with Farmar and Luke with Evans and I'd do it.


If anyone was listening to the broadcast, that's exactly what they were doing. They were just comparing how a JO deal would go down in likeness to a KG deal, and were looking for seven players to fill. Then Barry from Barry's tickets called and he named a few more players. But in all honestly, I don't think 7 players is needed, and getting JO doesn't have to be exactly the same as getting KG.
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Re: No way

Postby L4L on Sun Aug 12, 2007 6:20 pm

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bynum=erick dampier at best if lucky maybe even antonio davis[/quote]

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2005-2006 Season:
LAL @ NYK 12 minutes, 16 points, 4 rebounds

2006-2007 Season:
PHO(Amare) @ LAL 10/31/06 minutes, 18 pts, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 7/11 shooting
MIN(KG) @ LAL11/07/06 29 minutes, 20 pts, 14 rebounds, 3 blocks, 6/9 shooting
CHI(BWall) @ LAL 11/19 28 minutes, 12 pts, 13 rebounds, 4 blocks, 5/10 shooting
LAL @ SAC 01/04/07 33 minutes, 15 pts, 11 rebounds, 3 blocks, 5/6 shooting
DEN(Camby) @ LAL 29 minutes, 19 pts, 10 rebounds, 6 blocks, 8/9 shooting
LAL @ HOU(Yao) 29 minutes, 11 points, 11 rebounds, 1 block, 5/11 shooting
LAL @ DEN(Camby) 19 minutes, 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 7/8 shooting

Next was his 3 double-doubles in a row stretch
GSW @ LAL 32 minutes, 10 points, 15 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 blocks, 4/4 shooting
CHA @ LAL 39 minutes, 11 points, 16 rebounds, 7 blocks, 5/9 shooting
SAS(Duncan) @ LAL, 44 minutes, 14 pts, 11 rebounds, 1 block, 3 assists, 4/12 shooting

Another back-to-back double stretch
LAL @ WAS 36 minutes, 12 points, 13 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block 5/9 shooting
LAL @ ATL 35 minutes, 14 points, 10 rebounds, 1 block, 5/9 shooting


L4L wrote:Bynum versus Jermaine O'Neal

Disclaimer(lol):
I'm not claiming that Bynum is going to be like JO, or anything even close to that. I just thought it might be an interesting comparison because we are considering swapping these players.

General:
Both Bynum and O'Neal went straight from the NBA to high school. Both were incredibly young coming into the league at the age of 17. They are both centers. They were both drafted by teams that were not in complete rebuilding mode. Jermaine O'Neal is a 6'11" power forward type player who was approximately 230lbs coming by age 18-19(reportedly). Andrew Bynum is a more massive person standing a tall 7'0" at 275-285 lbs.O'Neal was drafted 17th overall, and Bynum was drafted 10th overall.



Per 48 Minute Averages:
Bynum, JO
Points: 17.1 , 16.0
FG-FGA: 6.6-11.9, 6.7-13.9
FG%: 55.8 , 48.5
FT-FTA: 3.8-5.7, 2.7-5.3
FT%: 66.8 , 50.6
Rebounds: 13.0 , 11.9
Assists: 2.5 , 1.0
Blocks: 3.4, 3.4
Steals: 0.3 , 0.9
Turnovers: 3.1 , 3.3
Fouls: 6.7 , 6.0
Hollinger Rating: 15.4 , 12.7
NBA.com Effeciency Per 48: 26.04 , 20.26

Advantage Bynum on everything but steals and fouls(both by less than one).



Top 3 Performances by each player (in their 19 year old season):

Bynum:
DEN @ LAL 29 minutes, 19 pts, 10 rebounds, 6 blocks, 8/9 shooting
MIN @ LAL 29 minutes, 20 pts, 14 rebounds, 3 blocks, 6/9 shooting
PHO @ LAL 24 minutes, 18 pts, 9 rebounds, 5 assists, 7/11 shooting

O'Neal:
DEN @ POR 36 minutes, 21 pts, 9 rebounds, 2 blocks, 9/12 shooting
GSW @ POR 34 minutes, 18 pts, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks, 7/12 shooting
POR @ SEA 30 minutes, 14 points, 13 rebounds, 4 blocks, 5/9 shooting

More Trivial Game Statistics:
Bynum and O'Neal
Games with 20+ Points: 1, 1
Games with 10+ Rebounds: 12 , 3
Double-doubles: 10 , 2



Stat line in games receiving 30+ minutes:
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Postby lakerskobe247 on Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:05 pm

I want to win now, not in 5 years. So I want JO>Bynum.
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Re: AM 570 newest rumor

Postby klassix on Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:25 pm

Kobe's Empire wrote:No idea if it was posted, I looked through and I didn't see anything.... but my friend called me and said Steve Hartman said

Bynum, Cook, Kwame, Walton, Javaris, and 2 FIRST ROUNDERS


for JO


I think it;s too much. I want to at least keep teh first 2 rounders or keep Javaris instead....I'd do Bynym Cook Kwame Walton and a First rounder....WE HAVE A SOLID 8 MAN ROTATION THEN FOR THE PLAYOFFS....or at least Keep Luke if you give up Javaris

But how stupid would we look if Bynum is a beast this year and javaris becomes a stud?

Fishy/Farmy/Javy
Kobe/Evy
Rady/Coby
Ody/Turiafy
JOy/Mihmy the 8 man rotation would be the starters and Farmer Turiaf and either Javy or Mihmy


Love the idea of dumping cook, walton, and cakeboy, but hate the rest of the idea.
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