Another missed oppurtunity...

Another missed oppurtunity...

Postby lakerfan2 on Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:59 am

Sources said Mitch declined to give up Lamar Odom for Ron Artest.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=bucher_ric&page=bucheronkobestatus&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines

Are you serious right now. I would have done that in a heartbeat.
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Postby OutWestLakerBoy32 on Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:31 am

I wouldn't have done that.
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Postby MadMax on Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:10 pm

why do people think that would of made us so much better?

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Postby NY_Laker_Fan on Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:56 pm

First, I don't believe this rumor for a second. Everything coming out of cowtown says they want youth, draft picks, and expiring contracts for either Artest or Bibby. No way they want Odom and his contract.

Second, How is this a missed opportunity??? For what??? A lateral move????? How does that make our team better? If we can land Artest, it doesn't do us any good unless we keep Odom.
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Postby Crispy on Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:26 pm

Odom is better than Artest.
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Postby Armani on Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:43 pm

we dont want a troublemaker

and odom's skillset is better
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Postby Armo Flava on Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:08 pm

Crispy wrote:Odom is better than Artest.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:59 pm

NY_Laker_Fan wrote:First, I don't believe this rumor for a second. Everything coming out of cowtown says they want youth, draft picks, and expiring contracts for either Artest or Bibby. No way they want Odom and his contract.

Second, How is this a missed opportunity??? For what??? A lateral move????? How does that make our team better? If we can land Artest, it doesn't do us any good unless we keep Odom.


read the article i included as a source.

it says - "According to sources, they've also declined an offer of Ron Artest for Lamar Odom,"

Artest is a defensive type player. That's my reason for liking him to come here. How many of our players are like that? He adds a presence as a defender and can put up points as well. Lamar is inconsistent and you know that. Yes he shines very well sometimes, but also looks like a deadbeat when he's off. Artest is strong, and can help relieve kobe of some of those guys who get in his face, bowen, bell. we need some rough players, some PHYSICAL DEFENDERS. we have none, brian cook, luke walton, lamar? come on. they get eaten up by big physical players.

plus, kobe said it would be nice to land artest in that little smidge of a video he made about bynum. so, it could also help keep kobe. think about that.
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Postby Klewfish on Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:14 pm

It wouldn't help us keep Kobe if we lost Odom in getting Artest. Artest can defend, Lamar rebounds, passes and is versatile.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:51 pm

defense wins games. :mhihi:

Artest could play the role of Rodman in my situation. Odom would be the missing piece though as Pippen.

Maybe a trade not involving Odom for Artest could happen?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~1998~3197~25~849&teams=23~23~23~13~13&te=&cash=

Kwame, Cook, Crittenton
For
Artest, Kenny Thomas?

Fisher/Farmar/Vujacic
Bryant/Evans/Karl
Odom (SF or PF) /Artest/Walton
Thomas/Radman/Turiaf (C or PF)
Bynum/Mihm
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Postby KB24 on Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:01 pm

KOBEistheish wrote:
Crispy wrote:Odom is better than Artest.
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Postby MauriceA.J on Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:21 am

Why does everybody wants to trade Odom????!!!!!
He's one of the best big man in the nba now......long arms, 6'10 and handles the ball like a point guard, in my opinion, he can play all positions, play pg and pass, play sg and shoot 3 balls, play sf, pf and post up.
He can do everything. He posts up better than Nowitzki, passes better than Stoudemire, drives better than Duncan, he's one of the best all-around players......if it wasn't for that injury....the Lakers would have had a better record
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Postby CrazyLikeCatfish on Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:29 am

KB8@CL wrote:
KOBEistheish wrote:
Crispy wrote:Odom is better than Artest.
Simple as that.
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Postby Helljumper on Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:42 am

lakerfan2 wrote:defense wins games. :mhihi:

Artest could play the role of Rodman in my situation. Odom would be the missing piece though as Pippen.

Maybe a trade not involving Odom for Artest could happen?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~1998~3197~25~849&teams=23~23~23~13~13&te=&cash=

Kwame, Cook, Crittenton
For
Artest, Kenny Thomas?

Fisher/Farmar/Vujacic
Bryant/Evans/Karl
Odom (SF or PF) /Artest/Walton
Thomas/Radman/Turiaf (C or PF)
Bynum/Mihm


You'd want to trade Odom for Artest but if we could get Artest without giving up Odom, you'd start Odom over him?
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Postby L4L on Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:53 am

Utterly ridiculous to say Artest is a better player than Odom. You must not care about stats or results on the court. By all means, Odom is in NO WAY a better player. When you factor in Ron's insanity, you make a great case for preferring Odom, but I hope no one is making the Artest-like suggestion that Odom is a better player than Psycho.
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Postby wOlF on Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:01 am

odom makes the laker team offense flow nicer
and he's actually playing consistant defense
not the best defensive player...nor is he better defensively than artest
but overall most ppl will take odom over artest
plus artest's attitude off the court just drives ppl crazy
our post defense will go much weaker if odom goes
and ANYONE would know that the best defensive teams NEEDS a big guy that can play defense
odom is not one of the best...but he DID shut down a few players like marion at times
so no way r we giving up odom for artest
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Postby L4L on Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:48 am

wOlF wrote:odom makes the laker team offense flow nicer
and he's actually playing consistant defense
not the best defensive player...nor is he better defensively than artest
but overall most ppl will take odom over artest
plus artest's attitude off the court just drives ppl crazy
our post defense will go much weaker if odom goes
and ANYONE would know that the best defensive teams NEEDS a big guy that can play defense
odom is not one of the best...but he DID shut down a few players like marion at times
so no way r we giving up odom for artest


I'm not arguing that Lamar Odom is more valuable than Ron Artest because of our lack of depth at PF. However, overall, to say Lamar is better is crazy.

Ron Artest still is one of the ten most impactful defensive players in the league. Odom's opponent production was 17.0. Ron Artest's was 15.1 against the best player's in the league.

Most of these stats include non-qualified players because Lamar didn't play enough games/minutes/etc. to qualify for most categories.

I don't necessarily consider Lamar Odom a better rebounder at all. He was 13th among PFs in rebounds per game. On the other hand, Ron Artest was 8th among SFs in rebounding.

However, Lamar was 2nd in assists at PF, but some of that has to do with the fact he plays Point Forward for us as well. Ron Artest wasn't that bad when it came to assists; he was 13th among SFs.

Scoring wise, Ron Artest was 6th among SFs, and Lamar Odom was 20th among PFs.

Ron Artest was 9th among SFs in blocks; Lamar was 55th among PFs.

Ron Artest was 1st among SFs in steals; Lamar was 16th among PFs.

Lamar Odom had the 4th most turnovers among PFs; Ron Artest was 18th among SFs.

Ron Artest was 46th among SFs in FG%; Lamar Odom was 83rd among PFs.

Ron Artest was 68th among SFs in FT%; Lamar Odom was 82nd among PFs.

Ron Artest was 46th among SFs in 3P%; Lamar Odom was 47th among PFs.

Lamar Odom is a better triangle fit ALONE than Ron Artest ALONE, but I really am just annoyed that people think he's a better player overall than that psycho is.
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Postby sm61893 on Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:10 am

What about this trade.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

La Out-
Andrew Bynum
Vladimir Radmanovic
Lamar Odom
Javaris Crittenton
2008 first round draft pick

Sac Out-
Mike Bibby
Ron Artest

Sac gets Odom who a very versatile player, youth and potential with Bynum and Crittenton and a ligit sf in Radman (I know he had a bad yr last year but I think he can do good if he stays healthy).

If we make the trade and can sign Webber for the Vet Min this is what we would look like.

Bibby/Fisher/Farmar
Kobe/Coby/Sasha
Artest/Walton/Evans
Webber/Cook/Turiaf
Brown/Mihm

All of our PF can play min at C if needed. We still have Brown but all he needs to do is reb and def. I think with that team we can go deep.
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Postby KB24 on Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:17 am

^wow horrible deal...
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Postby Helljumper on Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:53 am

KB8@CL wrote:^wow horrible deal...


Horrible is an understatement.

That's basically trading Odom for Artest which we've already decided is a lateral move and then trading Bynum, Crittenton, and Radmanovic for Bibby. I wouldn't trade Bynum straight up for Bibby. No way I included Crittenton too.
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Postby steadymobn on Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:20 pm

what if we somehow got bibby AND artest?
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Postby MadMax on Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:22 pm

KB8@CL wrote:^wow horrible deal...


that deal is U-G-L-Y!
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Postby orwell on Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:54 pm

Crispy wrote:Odom is better than Artest.
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Postby L4L on Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:54 am

orwell wrote:
Crispy wrote:Odom is better than Artest.


Based on what?

Fantastic homeristic logic guys. Great work.
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Postby Kobe's Empire on Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:10 am

I wouldn;t ahve done it
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