C Butler for K Brown according to Vecsey in the NY Post

C Butler for K Brown according to Vecsey in the NY Post

Postby aynatruf on Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:25 am

At last count, the Wiz had seven offers for Kwame, several of them significant, which summarily erases the Knicks from contention on numerous scores. For some reason, they don't find Michael Sweetney and Jerome Williams ($6.6M/$7M/7.3M) all that appealing.

Hearing aides inform me Washington GM Ernie Grunfeld can have his pick of Memphis' James Posey, Indiana's Fred Jones and the Lakers' Caron Butler.
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Postby GuRu on Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:26 am

Caron for Kwame?

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Postby LakersPride on Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:31 am

:man4: Caron is waaaaaay to valuable to trade for Kwame. WTF :man3:
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Postby The Kobe Era 2K5 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:32 am

It would suck! Caron in end of season showed that he can score and I don't think that Lakers should trade Caron for Kwame!
Kwame hasn't the right attitude!
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:33 am

The question is, if this happens, whether the Lakers can afford to baby sit both Bynum and Kwame... Kwame disappoints everybody..
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Postby abeer3 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:29 am

that's risky. wow. of course, has vecsey ever been right? anyway, i will note one thing: look at the other two gms in the bidding: two of the best in the business. kwame has all of the natural tools, it's just so tough to be the team that takes a risk on this kid after what has happened so far in his career. but i totally understand the interest. dude is 7ft tall, 260 lbs, cut out of stone, athletic, and actually an underrated passer. downside is that after 4 years in the league, he still looks absolutely lost on the floor, and has some problems off of it. caron is probably too much to give up, though, unless the wiz are throwing something else of value in the deal.
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Postby silversyphon41 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 6:47 am

The Kobe Era 2K5 wrote:It would suck! Caron in end of season showed that he can score and I don't think that Lakers should trade Caron for Kwame!
Kwame hasn't the right attitude!


Caron is way too valuable as trade bait to go for an unproven former #1 pick, who still, years after his draft year, has produced little. True, Kwame may turn out to be like Jermaine O'Neal who took four years to really start producing, but as of now, Caron is too valuable. :mad1:
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Postby GuRu on Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:01 am

Peter Vescey = credible...

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Postby The Kobe Era 2K5 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 7:07 am

silversyphon41 wrote:
The Kobe Era 2K5 wrote:It would suck! Caron in end of season showed that he can score and I don't think that Lakers should trade Caron for Kwame!
Kwame hasn't the right attitude!


Caron is way too valuable as trade bait to go for an unproven former #1 pick, who still, years after his draft year, has produced little. True, Kwame may turn out to be like Jermaine O'Neal who took four years to really start producing, but as of now, Caron is too valuable. :mad1:

Yeah, I agree you, cuz now Caron is too valuable!!!
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Postby jminges on Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:05 am

Why? I'd rather play Ronnie at four, than trade for Kwame.
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Postby kobesthegreatest8 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:11 am

Maybe this is the best we can get for Caron! I would love to get more, but hey if that's all we can get thats fine. He could become a great player.
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Postby Guest on Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:13 am

kobesthegreatest8 wrote:Maybe this is the best we can get for Caron! I would love to get more, but hey if that's all we can get thats fine. He could become a great player.


If this is all, we are better served to have him come off the bench. You know it wouldnt suck to have a decent bench
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Postby kobesthegreatest8 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:19 am

I know but he could be a good player, even though I hate him, he could become good! I just hope we get AD!
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Postby John3:16 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:23 am

GuRu wrote:Peter Vescey = credible...

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Vescey broke the real reasons for the Kobe / Malone fight. When he first reported it, we all said it was too farfetched to believe. Then Kobe confirmed it.

Emplay says PV has sources in the Laker front offices who are giving him valuable info.

Do I want this to happen? NO WAY! But I bet it's been discussed between the 2 teams.
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Postby jminges on Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:28 am

Caron Butler and Devean George for Kwame Brown and a first round pick.
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Postby Triumph Jelani on Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:29 am

we might as well throw Bynum to the wolves if this is the case.
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Postby flexxdzl on Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:30 am

Caron for Kbrown ....I would not just do that strait up..other players would need to be involved ..which I am quite sure they are...
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Postby John3:16 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:51 am

jaminges wrote:Caron Butler and Devean George for Kwame Brown and a first round pick.




I'd go for that.

If we could get Arenas that would be nice too. Doubt it could happen, but I'd sure love it.
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Postby Sirron on Sun Jul 10, 2005 8:54 am

interesting. If we locked him up now, we could keep him on the cheap too. Might not be a bad move since he is only good for 30 min. a night anyway. It'll give Bynum a chance to develop while we have a serviceable center. Interesting......

But I do like Caron. I like that idea of a first round pick in the deal.
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Postby lakerfool on Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:41 am

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Postby msb212 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:48 am

iirc, he also reported the bs kobe fighting pj as coach story
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Postby silversyphon41 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:00 am

John3:16 wrote:
jaminges wrote:Caron Butler and Devean George for Kwame Brown and a first round pick.


I'd go for that.

If we could get Arenas that would be nice too. Doubt it could happen, but I'd sure love it.


How do you intend on getting Arenas? :man3:
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Postby silversyphon41 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:01 am

wingnut wrote:
kobesthegreatest8 wrote:Maybe this is the best we can get for Caron! I would love to get more, but hey if that's all we can get thats fine. He could become a great player.


If this is all, we are better served to have him come off the bench. You know it wouldnt suck to have a decent bench


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Postby silversyphon41 on Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:04 am

jaminges wrote:Caron Butler and Devean George for Kwame Brown and a first round pick.


Interesting proposal. This would clearly be a trade for the future. Caron can produce right now, but Kwame can't. Kinda like a Jermaine O'Neal idea, when Portland ditched him just before he began to produce. Oh the possibilities. :man1:
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Postby Guest on Sun Jul 10, 2005 10:14 am

I dont know if this is as dumb as everyone is making it out to be. If Phil really likes Odom at 3, then Caron is reduced to a bench role. Something that isnt fair to him, our us. Hes a talented player, and wouldnt get enough minutes (and if he did, we'd be undersized like last year). If we invsted in Kwame and he paid off, its a smart move. Even if he doesnt do much offensively, he is still a big body, something we really need.
Plus, maybe we could include Chucky in the deal (Wash. needs a new combo guard now that Hughes is gone)?
Picking up Kwame and a 1st only brightens LA's future, but losing Butler would hurt
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