HoopsWorld: Deng Available; Lakers Interested?

HoopsWorld: Deng Available; Lakers Interested?

Postby lakerfan32 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:12 pm

UPDATE (7/22):

...Those sign-and-trade packages could get Luol in the $13 to $14 million a year range, which is substantially more than Chicago's offer - roughly $9 million per year. Some teams are telling the agents of the restricted class to take the qualifying offer this year and get radically paid next year as unrestricted free agents; this includes Ben Gordon and Luol Deng. League sources suggested that the Lakers, Pistons, Heat and Jazz have all had discussions with Luol Deng's camp about the framework of a sign-and-trade...


http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9556

(Thanks to LakersFan1211 for the find)
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Deng is giving the Bulls an ultimatum and this is a likely time to trade him rather than let him walk.

I like LO and think we should keep him regardless, but the idea of a

Lakers trade - LO/Fisher/Vlad/Mihm

Bulls trade - Deng/Hinrich/Tyrun Thomas

-Bulls have Gooden, Noah, and Noc who can play PF and TT has been on the outs with them.
-Hinrich is good as gone with the Rose draft and logjam at guard
-Deng negotiations are going terrible and they may lose him
-LO and Vlad would give them needed size
-Fish is veteran leader they need

Lakers lineup

Hinrich/Farmar
Kobe/Sasha
Deng/Ariza
Pau/Tyrus Thomas
Bynum/Kwame(resign)

Bulls lineup
Fisher/Rose
Hughes/Sefalosha
Nocioni/Vlad
LO/Gooden
Noah/Mihm

Bulls won't be able to move Hughes but they can get something for Gordon

Not as unreasonable as some will say and I think it'd go a long way to solidify our team

Prefer to just resign Odom for 8-9 mill next year above all else though
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Postby 10scott10 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:14 pm

firsthly, the lakers aren't going to trade fisher.
trust me, they won't.

secondly, they wouldn't trade that package for kobe, why would they trade that for LO and vlad.
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Postby last stand on Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:16 pm

the only way we get deng is a

lamar
mihm
farmar

for

deng
filler

deal

no chance they send us hinrich and thomas also
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Postby lakerfan32 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:38 pm

Deng is the only player on that list that is key to Chicago. TT got in numerous issues last year, got consistenly benched, and had his work ethic questioned. Hinrich is expendable for sure and there's an obvious need to move him.

Fisher may not be moved, true. But I'd prefer to hold on to Farmar and two young PG's doesn't make much sense for Chicago. Solid veteran leadership would go a long way. Chicago would be picking up a lot of size too.

But, if no deal than maybe

LO/Mihm

For Deng/TT

gives us

Deng/Ariza
Pau/TT/Vlad
Bynum/Kwame

Love to hear some different ideas on getting Deng.

-Hinrich is getting shopped and was being benched last year
-Deng is unhappy and will walk next season
-TT is on their bad side and getting buried on the bench

I think that for the right offer they all could possible go. Chicago needs size and outside shooting. Mihm and Odom are size, Vlad can shoot.
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Postby pureuncut100 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:20 pm

There is no way we get Hinrich and Deng.

Odom for Deng and filler is fair. i dont know that it will happen but it is fair.
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Postby chingy248 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:22 pm

lol wtf kinda trade is that

we trade our 4th best player for their whole core.


Coby for KG?
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Postby pureuncut100 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:37 pm

chingy248 wrote:lol wtf kinda trade is that

we trade our 4th best player for their whole core.


Coby for KG?


Thats a little unfair. Odom as our third option was a good player.

But its Odom and his expiring contract for Deng.

Now the Bulls could get nothing or they could get something. True they have some time but if things dont get worked out then they are better off getting something.

I remind you of Kwame Brown if you dont understand how important expiring contracts are in this league, If we could get Gasol for Kwame we could get Deng and filler for Odom.
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Postby SignPippenNow on Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:46 pm

What you prefer and what Lakers prefer is two different things. Lakers aren't trading Fisher
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Postby LakersFan1211 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:20 pm

Fisher is NOT leaving the Lakers. Bank on that.
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Postby Klewfish on Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:43 pm

I'd trade Odom for Hinrich or Deng. No way the Bulls trade both.
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Postby Crispy on Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:16 pm

I'd love to have Deng. I think an Odom+S&T Sasha deal could get it done.
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Postby pureuncut100 on Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:19 pm

Crispy wrote:I'd love to have Deng. I think an Odom+S&T Sasha deal could get it done.


On talent, for sure. But on paper, its impossible. The numbers dont work.
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Postby Projekt on Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:34 am

LakersFan1211 wrote:Fisher is NOT leaving the Lakers. Bank on that.
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Postby Master Zen on Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:27 am

Odom > Deng
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Postby SWOL on Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:20 am

WHY WOULD THE BULLS EVEN GIVE AWAY TT?

THE DUDE WAS THE 2ND PICK IN THE DRAFT, HE ISNT JUST SPARE PARTS

HOW WOULD DENG COPE AS A 3RD TO 4TH WHEEL??

LAMAR SURE CAN, INFACT HE PERFERS IT...

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Postby doggy dogg on Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:48 am

This trade is just bad on so many levels

















For the Bulls anyway :man11:
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Postby sleepin4matty on Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:08 am

Projekt wrote:
LakersFan1211 wrote:Fisher is NOT leaving the Lakers. Bank on that.


Lakers wouldn't trade Fisher because he would just refuse to show up for the other team ala Alonzo Mourning and Toronto but because Fish wants to stay in LA to get his daughter proper medical treatment for her eye cancer. Any trades involving him are ridiculous
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Postby JoeHeff on Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:48 am

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Postby Armani on Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:56 am

they need a true C, they would ask for bynum, not odom.
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Postby LVLAKERFAN on Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:27 am

I think we are going to let Odom walk, this year.

A core of Kobe, Gasol, Bynum is already a fantasy.

That 14.5 Million expiring contract is important in keeping that fantasy alive.

Slide Ariza to the start SF by next year and sign a backup forward for cheap and we are still a contender.

Gotta love Odom, but he's still in his prime and would probably command a lot of money next year. I don't think we can afford to keep him.

A starting lineup of Hinrich, Deng, Drew, Kobe, and Gasol would a crazy amount of money when you are still paying stiffs like Luke and Vlad big money.
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Postby HisAirness24 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:32 am

Let's make this the official Deng thread, shall we?

First other teams are offering sign and trade packages that Chicago seems lukewarm on exploring. Those sign and trade packages could get Luol in the $13 to $14 million a year range, which is substantially more than Chicago's offer - roughly $9 million per year. Some teams are telling the agents of the restricted class to take the qualifying offer this year and get radically paid next year as unrestricted free agents; this includes Ben Gordon and Luol Deng. League sources suggested that the Lakers, Pistons, Heat and Jazz have all had discussions with Luol Deng's camp about the framework of a sign and trade. Luol's camp would not comment on the situation


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Postby lakurluv on Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:31 pm

If he's a restricted Free Agent, we should just make him an offer, and see if Chicago will match. I wouldn't give them anymore than Luke, and he and VLAD are about the only players I would trade him for, maybe not even Vlad because he's a better shooter, but IMO Deng is somewhat over-rated.

What happened to him last year, and he was playing in a contract year? I don't blame Chicago for offering him less, and not giving him a max contract. IMO he's just a glorified blue-collar guy, not an All-Star caliber type player, he would be good on our team. Look at it, His stats aren't that much better than Drew Goodens! He averaged 4 more points, and 4 more minutes, but Drew was a better rebounder, and defender.

If we are going to go after someone from Chicago it should be Gordon & Drew!
I'm not trading LO for this cat no matter what? Luke & Vlad for Deng!!!

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Postby KB24 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:37 pm

lakurluv wrote:If he's a restricted Free Agent, we should just make him an offer, and see if Chicago will match. I wouldn't give them anymore than Luke, and he and VLAD are about the only players I would trade him for, maybe not even Vlad because he's a better shooter, but IMO Deng is somewhat over-rated.

What happened to him last year, and he was playing in a contract year? I don't blame Chicago for offering him less, and not giving him a max contract. IMO he's just a glorified blue-collar guy, not an All-Star caliber type player, he would be good on our team. Look at it, His stats aren't that much better than Drew Goodens! He averaged 4 more points, and 4 more minutes, but Drew was a better rebounder, and defender.

If we are going to go after someone from Chicago it should be Gordon & Drew!
I'm not trading LO for this cat no matter what? Luke & Vlad for Deng!!!

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you made no sense to be honest...for Luke and Vlad you will not even get a kick in the butt, let alone Deng.

And we can't offer Deng anything...he won't sign for MLE and then let Chicago match it. It makes no sense whatsoever...either we have to S&T for him or we have no chance to get him.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:42 pm

unless he's willing to play for MLE...then HELL NO.
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Postby kobela08mvp on Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:58 pm

odom is only worth marion in a trade not deng or artest. so unless we deal with miami we will stand pat and wait till next year to use odoms contract of 14 mill to use on someone else or what ever we choose so for now unless kings want crap for artest no deal the dummy should have oppted out what a mentle case. and for marion lets wait n see. i like to get crawford from ny good pg for the triangle
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