Jermaine O'Neal could be who Mitch was talking of

Postby LakersChamps04 on Thu May 26, 2005 10:22 am

flexxdzl wrote:OK, I can't remember the exact words or find the post where mitch said something about getting a disgruntled superstar and I think that it had something to do with Bg contract. but, we all assumed that it might have been KG it could be jermaine .... and I am not talking pipe JO is not as dominate as KG and ..plus he does not mean as much to the city as KG does...

It would be a stretch granted but...100 some odd million dollars and still the pacers go no where is not cool in a bus. since .. ask dr buss when you have to take a 30 mill a year player out the game because he could cause you to loose is not cool. With reg miller retiring this might be a good time to reload. No one in the east is going to beat the piston or heat for the next 3 to 4 years


but that referred to a all-star who wasn't in the playoffs...and JO was in the playoffs
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Postby Mark McNamara on Thu May 26, 2005 11:45 am

LakersChamps04 wrote:
flexxdzl wrote:OK, I can't remember the exact words or find the post where mitch said something about getting a disgruntled superstar and I think that it had something to do with Bg contract. but, we all assumed that it might have been KG it could be jermaine .... and I am not talking pipe JO is not as dominate as KG and ..plus he does not mean as much to the city as KG does...

It would be a stretch granted but...100 some odd million dollars and still the pacers go no where is not cool in a bus. since .. ask dr buss when you have to take a 30 mill a year player out the game because he could cause you to loose is not cool. With reg miller retiring this might be a good time to reload. No one in the east is going to beat the piston or heat for the next 3 to 4 years


but that referred to a all-star who wasn't in the playoffs...and JO was in the playoffs


Yes, and it wasn't Mitch who said it. It was someone from another forum with "insider" info who described the guy the Lakers are planning to go after as a "disgruntled all star not in the playoffs".
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Postby Charles on Thu May 26, 2005 12:47 pm

NO WAY Indiana does any of those trades. Bird would be making us contenders, and they'd have the same problem we had - too many Swingmen:
Butler, Artest, Lamar, Jackson, Jones, George

You say Lamar can play PF in the East. The Pacers are looking for a title. What happens when Lamar faces the Wallace Brothers or Tim Duncan?
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Postby Vito Andolini on Thu May 26, 2005 12:56 pm

We got a better chance getting KG then JO.

If McHale's not gonna help the Lakers, then neither will Bird..
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Postby KB24 on Thu May 26, 2005 3:35 pm

Vito Andolini wrote:We got a better chance getting KG then JO.

If McHale's not gonna help the Lakers, then neither will Bird..

We don´t expect Indy to help us but themselves. OK JO is a great loss but Odom, Butler are not garbage specially in the east AND Grant will be very valuable in 18 months. They can get rid of some bad Contracts AND JO is making BIG money. If they feel they are not contenders they might try to get rid of such a max contract in terms to retool the team.
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Postby indy_dave00 on Thu May 26, 2005 4:20 pm

I read this thread with intrest. One little comment forget any idea of Brian Grant in the trade . No way the Pacers want his contract for a year let alone 2 years. Grant is owed $30 mil for 2 seasons and even in last year of his deal is nearly 16 mil contract will not be very tradable.

Lamar Odom , is a player Larry Bird likes . But in Jermaine , you are talking probably the 2nd best big man in the east.

Another little note for the next 5 years Jermaine actually will make more each season than Kobe. How would Kobe react to that?

There has been talk here that one of the 4 - JO , Artest, S.Jackson or Tinsley will be moved this summer.

JO , would have the most value in a trade. He's only 27 when next season starts , he has a 20 ppg and 10 rebounds per game average over the last 4 years .

But personally I don't see the Pacers trading a player they feel is the franchise player and team leader.

Bender is O'Neal's best friend on the Pacers. But I just don't see them trading JO.

If the Pacers were to trade JO , I think the Lakers would have to accept Bender , and Croshere and/or Pollard's contract too. You are looking at a minimum of 30 million for next season, 39 mil if its both Croshere and Pollard.

You figure Odom and Butler are Lakers 2 most valuable trade pieces , so both would probably be required to acquire a 27 year old , 4 time All Star like O'Neal.

That alone still leaves you 2.5 mil short of matching JO'S salary before then having to match Bender and Pollards or Croshere's.

Pacers already have 3 point guards , so I don't see intrest in Atkins.

Its possible something could be worked out , but I think its highly unlikely you see Jermaine as a Laker next season.

As for disruntaled All Star , Jermaine has never expressed one word of being unhappy here.
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Postby KB24 on Thu May 26, 2005 4:34 pm

Another little note for the next 5 years Jermaine actually will make more each season than Kobe. How would Kobe react to that?

You are kidding right?
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Postby indy_dave00 on Thu May 26, 2005 4:45 pm

No I'm serious not much more but each of the next 5 seasons Jermaine's salary is slightly larger than Kobe's.


kobe---------- jermaine

2005-06--15.9 ----------16.4
2006-07--17.7---------- 18.0
2007-08--19.4-----------19.7
2008-09--21.2-----------21.4
2009-10--23.0-----------23.0









By the way the Pacers do consider themselves a contender in the East.
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Postby KB24 on Thu May 26, 2005 4:57 pm

indy_dave00 wrote:No I'm serious not much more but each of the next 5 seasons Jermaine's salary is slightly larger than Kobe's.


kobe---------- jermaine

2005-06--15.9 ----------16.4
2006-07--17.7---------- 18.0
2007-08--19.4-----------19.7
2008-09--21.2-----------21.4
2009-10--23.0-----------23.0









By the way the Pacers do consider themselves a contender in the East.

I didn´t mind the salary. I know that but why do you think JO making more money than Kobe affects their chemistry :man7:
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Postby LukeWalton on Thu May 26, 2005 5:06 pm

Dididnt we offer Shaq to INdy and they said no? What makes you think there taking crap like Odom and Butler. Def not worth it on there side. We have a much better chance of getting ROn Artest. JErmaine is pipe
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Postby indy_dave00 on Thu May 26, 2005 5:07 pm

Perhaps its a misconception of those outside L.A. but most see Kobe as an ego driven athlete.

So, since Shaq was moved its thought that makes it KOBE's team, that said I thought perhaps someone making even slightly more might upset him. That why I put how would Kobe react to that?

Jermaine , perhaps will never be the team leader Bird has envisioned him to be here in Indy but I really don't see a trade to the Lakers.

In all honesty I could see a Clipper trade Brand and something for JO , before I can see a Laker one. Just my thoughts .
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Postby Xepa on Thu May 26, 2005 5:09 pm

Hey look at the roster we dreamed up of over the offseason

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Postby LakersCourt on Thu May 26, 2005 5:35 pm

I love O'neal's game, I don't like him as a person.

However, if somehow Garnett was available, I would trade Odom, Butler, Atkins and our #10 for him.


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Postby Guest on Thu May 26, 2005 6:36 pm

if pacers didn't want to work a Jermaine for Shaq deal

They wont trade him for any 1 now

never going to happen
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Postby KB24 on Thu May 26, 2005 6:38 pm

bangbangbang wrote:if pacers didn't want to work a Jermaine for Shaq deal

They wont trade him for any 1 now

never going to happen

The Pacers DID want to trade JO AND Artest for Shaq. Shaq warned them that he WON´T resign.
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Postby Guest on Thu May 26, 2005 6:44 pm

oops my bad

ESPN told me on SPORTSCENTED pacers did not want to part with Jermaine

ESPN's words or a kobe fans?

HMMMMM I wonder :man7:
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Postby KB24 on Thu May 26, 2005 6:57 pm

bangbangbang wrote:oops my bad

ESPN told me on SPORTSCENTED pacers did not want to part with Jermaine

ESPN's words or a kobe fans?

HMMMMM I wonder :man7:

I think :bspn: is exactly the right place to be
:bspn: as your prime source explains some of your posts of course. BTW you can ask others to get sure.
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Postby Guest on Thu May 26, 2005 7:02 pm

what is BSPN?????
Never heard of it and YES I HAVE cable

Where i live i do not get that i get ESPN, a channel which broadcasts news and sportsgames

Is BSPN like ESPN for a specific area????

If it is than trust me i would rather trust ESPN's word cuz their more reliable (abc owns) and they have a better website

ESPN dominated Amereican Sports Network and even has a better site than BSPN.

Trust me call change channels watch sportscenter their is a diffrence.
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Postby EQualizer on Thu May 26, 2005 7:15 pm

bangbangbang wrote:what is BSPN?????
Never heard of it and YES I HAVE cable

Where i live i do not get that i get ESPN, a channel which broadcasts news and sportsgames

Is BSPN like ESPN for a specific area????

If it is than trust me i would rather trust ESPN's word cuz their more reliable (abc owns) and they have a better website

ESPN dominated Amereican Sports Network and even has a better site than BSPN.

Trust me call change channels watch sportscenter their is a diffrence.


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Postby Guest on Thu May 26, 2005 7:18 pm

What is so funny

Ask everyone around the world i bet 90% will say ESPN is a better broadcasting sports channel than BSPN.
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Postby KB24 on Thu May 26, 2005 7:21 pm

bangbangbang wrote:What is so funny

Ask everyone around the world i bet 90% will say ESPN is a better broadcasting sports channel than BSPN.
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Postby Guest on Thu May 26, 2005 7:30 pm

Hell

Laugh if you want

But majority of Amarica watches ESPN

Not some california based ( dont know that for a fact) BSPN which gets lower ratings (know that for a FACT)
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Postby KB24 on Thu May 26, 2005 7:35 pm

bangbangbang wrote:Hell

Laugh if you want

But majority of Amarica watches ESPN

Not some california based ( dont know that for a fact) BSPN which gets lower ratings (know that for a FACT)
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BSPN gets exactly the same rate as ESPN. They are both very famous and available in all USA.
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Postby Guest on Thu May 26, 2005 7:36 pm

oh really


How come BSPN does not have an official website

and how come gatorade had "ESPN" the flavor not BSPN

Does BSPN even broadcast games LIVE
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Postby S.R.05 on Thu May 26, 2005 7:40 pm

bangbangbang wrote:oh really


How come BSPN does not have an official website

and how come gatorade had "ESPN" the flavor not BSPN

Does BSPN even broadcast games LIVE


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