Jermaine O'Neal could be who Mitch was talking of

Jermaine O'Neal could be who Mitch was talking of

Postby flexxdzl on Wed May 25, 2005 7:01 pm

Indiana Pacers president Larry Bird is not sure his team could have won a championship this season even with Ron Artest.

But he's almost positive they won't win next year unless Jermaine O'Neal takes his game to another level.

"We have to get better," Bird said Tuesday in his season-in-review news conference. "Even if Ron played all year, I don't know if we would have been a championship team. We would have been a heck of a lot better.

"Will we make a lot of changes? I don't know. I think it all depends on Jermaine O'Neal. I'll put the pressure right on him. If he comes back in great shape, and he has Ronnie on his side and he's got Stephen Jackson, and Jamaal Tinsley does the things he needs to do in the summer, we'll be all right. We do have to get better in certain areas."

O'Neal has spent the past five seasons watching and learning from Reggie Miller, who retired after the Pacers were eliminated from the playoffs by the Detroit Pistons. Now Bird wants O'Neal to show he's worth the seven-year, $126 million contract he signed in the summer of 2003.

O'Neal was limited to 44 games this season because of his post-Nov. 19 brawl suspension and a sprained right shoulder in March.

He returned for the playoffs but wasn't the same player who finished third in MVP voting a year ago. Bird said he recently talked with team trainer David Craig, and the MRI done on O'Neal's shoulder late last week revealed that the All-Star forward is making progress.

"We'll find out right away whether he can handle it or not," Bird said. "If he can't handle it, we'll have to find somebody else. But I'm very confident that Jermaine, every year, matures more and more. Some players like that pressure. Some can't handle it. I really feel Jermaine can handle it. If he can, we'll be better from it."

Bird touched on a wide range of other topics Tuesday, including the makeup of the roster.

The Pacers aren't expected to be too active in free agency. Bird said they have areas they need to shore up, but he declined to go into details. They have 13 players under contract for next season.

The Pacers have the 17th pick in next month's draft. Their primary needs are at shooting guard or point guard if Tinsley's injuries persist.

Signing a marquee free agent appears unlikely. The Pacers are over the salary cap but have the midlevel exception, which was $4.9 million last season.

Bird didn't rule out trading any player, including Artest and O'Neal. Tinsley and reserve center Scot Pollard are the most likely to be discussed in trade talks this summer.

"Right now, (it looks like) they're all going to be here," Bird said. "But you never know what's going to happen. If you can make a deal that you think can make your team better, you have to make it. But I'm not out soliciting my guys at all."
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Postby KB24 on Wed May 25, 2005 7:22 pm

That would be FANTASTIC. He is my favorite big man and he got game. Send Lamar and Butler to Indy for him. He would be a GREAT addition. :jam2:
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Postby kobe4ever on Wed May 25, 2005 7:43 pm

yes!
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Postby Edgar2005 on Wed May 25, 2005 7:45 pm

MAN!! :mad1: u can't trade Lamar and Butler just for Jermaine.... It's just like your trading Shaquille for Jermaine... Because that was the 3 for 1 trade: Lamar, Butler and Grant(he sucks)..... A fair trade is Lamar, George and Mihm for Jermaine and Tinsley..... Thats what I call a GREAT DEAL... For me I still go for BOOZER...
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Postby KB24 on Wed May 25, 2005 7:47 pm

Edgar2005 wrote:MAN!! :mad1: u can't trade Lamar and Butler just for Jermaine.... It's just like your trading Shaquille for Jermaine... Because that was the 3 for 1 trade: Lamar, Butler and Grant(he sucks)..... A fair trade is Lamar, George and Mihm for Jermaine and Tinsley..... Thats what I call a GREAT DEAL... For me I still go for BOOZER...

first welcome.
second JO fits better with Kobe than Odom and Butler.
Kobe+JO would have been playoffs and maybe homecourt advantage.
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Postby kobe4ever on Wed May 25, 2005 7:53 pm

L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.3 minutes
Chucky Atkins
5-11 PG from South Florida
13.6 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.4 apg in 35.4 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia
2.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 11.5 minutes
Incoming
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -7.4 ppg, -5.6 rpg, and -7.7 apg.


Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
Incoming
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.3 minutes
Chucky Atkins
5-11 PG from South Florida
13.6 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.4 apg in 35.4 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia
2.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 11.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: +7.4 ppg, +5.6 rpg, and +7.7 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to L.A. Lakers and Indiana being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Indiana had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


do u think they might do this? cauz they need a back up SG.
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Postby KB24 on Wed May 25, 2005 7:57 pm

kobe4ever wrote:L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.3 minutes
Chucky Atkins
5-11 PG from South Florida
13.6 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.4 apg in 35.4 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia
2.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 11.5 minutes
Incoming
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -7.4 ppg, -5.6 rpg, and -7.7 apg.


Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
Incoming
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.3 minutes
Chucky Atkins
5-11 PG from South Florida
13.6 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.4 apg in 35.4 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia
2.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 11.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: +7.4 ppg, +5.6 rpg, and +7.7 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to L.A. Lakers and Indiana being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Indiana had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


do u think they might do this? cauz they need a back up SG.
If Indy would do that (very very very very very unlikely) we would be very close to immediate contention.
Mihm/Divac
O´Neal/Grant/Cook/Slava
Butler/George
Kobe/JJ
Daniels (MLE)/Felton (draft)
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Postby kobe4ever on Wed May 25, 2005 8:12 pm

KB8@CL wrote:
kobe4ever wrote:L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.3 minutes
Chucky Atkins
5-11 PG from South Florida
13.6 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.4 apg in 35.4 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia
2.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 11.5 minutes
Incoming
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -7.4 ppg, -5.6 rpg, and -7.7 apg.


Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire HS (SC)
24.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 34.8 minutes
Incoming
Lamar Odom
6-10 PF from Rhode Island
15.2 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.7 apg in 36.3 minutes
Chucky Atkins
5-11 PG from South Florida
13.6 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 4.4 apg in 35.4 minutes
Sasha Vujacic
6-7 SG from Slovenia
2.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 11.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: +7.4 ppg, +5.6 rpg, and +7.7 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to L.A. Lakers and Indiana being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. L.A. Lakers and Indiana had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


do u think they might do this? cauz they need a back up SG.
If Indy would do that (very very very very very unlikely) we would be very close to immediate contention.
Mihm/Divac
O´Neal/Grant/Cook/Slava
Butler/George
Kobe/JJ
Daniels (MLE)/Felton (draft)

we should also sign luke walton and if they get da trade for bender it will be...

Mihm/Divac
O'neal/Grant/Cook
Butler/Bender/JJ
Kobe/Walton
Daniels (MLE)/ Felton (DRAFT)

i dont think we could get felton off da draft doh.
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Postby BDG on Wed May 25, 2005 8:14 pm

Agreed. I think we'd have to package both Caron AND LO for them to consider it.

We could work a nice inside/outside game with JO, plus he could play Center if necessary.

I wish that would happen
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Postby KB24 on Wed May 25, 2005 8:24 pm

BryantDunkGiant wrote:Agreed. I think we'd have to package both Caron AND LO for them to consider it.

We could work a nice inside/outside game with JO, plus he could play Center if necessary.

I wish that would happen

me to bro :jam2: :jam2: :jam2:
JO is young and a great defender and scorer. Not the greatest rebounder but a 25/10 guy. with 2-3 blocks. He fits very well with Kobe.
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Postby Coville on Wed May 25, 2005 9:02 pm

wel lthe only way is if we took on cleared crosheres contract.

it wud probably have to be like:

la trades:

odom
atkins
vlade
george
future first round pick

la gets:
oneal
croshere
17th


they mainly do this to get talent by for oneal and cap relief to sign somebody like redd or allen this summer.


it would give us 25 million in expiring contracts for 2007 and also give us a VERY nice inside outside team of Jermaine and Bryant.

I would lov eto see it happen.
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Postby remixed on Wed May 25, 2005 9:10 pm

Id pull the trigger on that O`Neal for Odom/Butler in a second.

Mihm
O`Neal
Jones
Bryant
Jack

Im liking that.
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Postby Still A Dynasty on Wed May 25, 2005 9:13 pm

nowhere does ti say he will be traded, but he'd be the PERFECT fit for this team

Odom, 10th, Atkins, George, Medved, 37th, Jumaine, Divac for O'neal, Bender, Chroshere, 17th

MLE-Daniels
LLE-Dooling
Vet Min-Vlade(after release)
Buy the 19th

17th-Bynum
19th-Webster
30th-Stoudamire

resign walton

Mihm/Bynum/Vlade
O'Neal/Chroshere/Grant
Butler/Walton/Bender
Bryant/Webster/Stoudamire
Daniels/Dooling/Sasha

CONTENDERS

indiana wouldnt come out to bad either

Foster/Davis/Pollard
Odom/Medved
Artest/George/Jumain
Jackson/Jones/
Tinsley/Atkins/Johnson
**and they still have the 10th, MLE, LLE, Vet Min, and expiring ks**

too bad it's pipe
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Postby Guest on Wed May 25, 2005 9:23 pm

:man10: maybe we can trade Slava for KG as well.
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Postby Kobe#1fan on Wed May 25, 2005 10:36 pm

i would trade butler,odom,atkins,mihm,Slava, and more + the #10 for him and tinsley foster
Butler
Odom
Mihm
Slava
Atkins
B Cook
Sasha
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FOR

Jermaine
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Foster
Bender
Fred Jones
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Postby JSM on Wed May 25, 2005 10:41 pm

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Postby Lakerfan36 on Wed May 25, 2005 10:49 pm

^^ :man10: :man10:

i still cant decide on if i would do this trade
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Postby Aonex on Wed May 25, 2005 10:51 pm

I wonder if this is a masochistic exercise, getting our hopes up and wishing players like O'Neal or Garnett were on the roster next year.
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Postby John3:16 on Wed May 25, 2005 11:11 pm

Aonex wrote:I wonder if this is a masochistic exercise, getting our hopes up and wishing players like O'Neal or Garnett were on the roster next year.



Can't be anything else. Reality tells me neither of these guys are gonna be Lakers next year.
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Postby Still A Dynasty on Thu May 26, 2005 12:05 am

John3:16 wrote:
Aonex wrote:I wonder if this is a masochistic exercise, getting our hopes up and wishing players like O'Neal or Garnett were on the roster next year.



Can't be anything else. Reality tells me neither of these guys are gonna be Lakers next year.


no they wont...but why not alk about it casually

it seems as though now bird is willing to trade JO, and we have some pieces i think he'd like in odom(his kid of player) butler(great potential atkins(shoot off the bench) and the number 10

but i would be suprised to see those two making a trade with each other
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Postby Mark McNamara on Thu May 26, 2005 12:14 am

Edgar2005 wrote:MAN!! :mad1: u can't trade Lamar and Butler just for Jermaine.... It's just like your trading Shaquille for Jermaine... Because that was the 3 for 1 trade: Lamar, Butler and Grant(he sucks)..... A fair trade is Lamar, George and Mihm for Jermaine and Tinsley..... Thats what I call a GREAT DEAL... For me I still go for BOOZER...


Even if it is like trading Shaq for J Oneal I'd still do it. But I think I'd rather keep Butler and Mihm and give up our #10 instead if we're getting these guys. We'd already have a good PG and PF, might as well keep a sure scorer at SF in Butler because there likely won't be one at #10. And Indy would need that #10 to get a future PG or project big man......

Tinsley
Kobe
Butler
Oneal
Mihm

Also, I'd rather have J Oneal than Boozer.
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Postby nomoreshaq on Thu May 26, 2005 2:54 am

if such a mega deal were in the works..

then it would be, i think something like this.

oneal, bender, artest, 17 (a player who didnt live up to expectations, overpriced trash/bad K, nutcase)

for

odom, butler, george, mihm, slava, divac, 37

upon that trade..we'd realistically be at..

/
oneal/bender/grant/cook
artest/jones/walton
kobe/
chucky/sasha

we'd still have the MLE, LLE, the #10, and the #17...and also chucky, sasha, and cook in additional trade bait
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Postby High IQ on Thu May 26, 2005 4:43 am

^ Pacers are not that crazy to trade JO and Artest at the same time. anyway, JO will be great fit for Lakers, and if that trade will happen, Mitch must bring Tinsley to LA. :jam2:
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Postby KB24 on Thu May 26, 2005 4:46 am

I think if this deal was about to happen it will include Grant.
They will give us radioactive contracts a la Croshere for LO, Grant and ...
They could do what we want to do. Take Grant and trade next trade deadline for a disgruntled star. If I were Indy I would consider this.Its not that far away from Grant becoming one of the most valuable trade baits :man1:
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Postby flexxdzl on Thu May 26, 2005 7:26 am

OK, I can't remember the exact words or find the post where mitch said something about getting a disgruntled superstar and I think that it had something to do with Bg contract. but, we all assumed that it might have been KG it could be jermaine .... and I am not talking pipe JO is not as dominate as KG and ..plus he does not mean as much to the city as KG does...

It would be a stretch granted but...100 some odd million dollars and still the pacers go no where is not cool in a bus. since .. ask dr buss when you have to take a 30 mill a year player out the game because he could cause you to loose is not cool. With reg miller retiring this might be a good time to reload. No one in the east is going to beat the piston or heat for the next 3 to 4 years
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