LO Trade Bait This Summer? (Sun-Sentinel p.16)

Postby SashasGurl on Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:11 pm

Jajwa wrote:Anybody else considered the fact that Odom will likely retire if he leaves L.A.? He said something like that when asked about an extension. I think he'd make a perfect long-term SF/PF backup for years to come if he took a salary cut.

I think you guys may have to study other parts of the roster to improve with.

Just like Kwame you have to learn to turn crap into gold. Chicago is the only situation I've found that allows that kind of turn around.

Maybe just maybe a Sasha Vujajic sign and trade could help as well but only so much I'd say.


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Postby Brand New on Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:17 pm

anybody think Mike Miller would be perfect? But I doubt Memphis will trade with us ever.
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Postby Jajwa on Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:18 pm

If it happens, it happens only so much you can do, although I really don't expect it to. The only solution I've found to such a situation would be playing Kobe for his 40 mpg entirely at SG.

I hope Sasha re-signs for about 5m a year.
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Postby lotus on Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:43 pm

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lotus wrote:Odom should have been trade 2 years ago. We'd probably have a championship by now.


That's a silly statement. For all his shortcomings, he was a main reason we got to the Finals this season. Once the Gasol deal was done, we needed Odom at the 4 desperately. Who else starts if we don't have Odom? Ronny?

Anyway, he's probably gone because of his expiring contract and poor fit on this team, but he shouldn't be completely dumped on upon his exit. He did some good things for us too.


Not silly. Laker fans have been hanging on to his so called "potential" since he's been here and he's never lived up to it.

Now you want to say he's the reason we got to the Finals? Well, you can say that about a few players (see Fisher and Gasol).

No one said he's made a zero contribution, but it was obvious that he wasn't going to be there when most needed. I'm not impressed with his box scores when it's based on inconsistent play, and not showing up when it got tough in the Finals and some of the playoffs.
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Postby Lakerman JSJ on Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:52 pm

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lotus wrote:Odom should have been trade 2 years ago. We'd probably have a championship by now.


That's a silly statement. For all his shortcomings, he was a main reason we got to the Finals this season. Once the Gasol deal was done, we needed Odom at the 4 desperately. Who else starts if we don't have Odom? Ronny?

Anyway, he's probably gone because of his expiring contract and poor fit on this team, but he shouldn't be completely dumped on upon his exit. He did some good things for us too.


Not silly. Laker fans have been hanging on to his so called "potential" since he's been here and he's never lived up to it.

Now you want to say he's the reason we got to the Finals? Well, you can say that about a few players (see Fisher and Gasol).

No one said he's made a zero contribution, but it was obvious that he wasn't going to be there when most needed. I'm not impressed with his box scores when it's based on inconsistent play, and not showing up when it got tough in the Finals and some of the playoffs.


I said he was a main reason, not THE main reason. I agree that you could say that about a number of players.

I'm all moving Odom for the reasons you laid out, but your original statement that we "probably already have won a championship" had we already traded Odom was a silly exaggeration.
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Postby UsC/LaKeRs on Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:55 pm

A caller on the Loose Cannons just suggested that the Lakers trade Lamar Odom to the Mavericks straight up for Brandon Bass. Reason being he is an up and coming player :man10: :man10: :man10: :man10: :man10:

I'm all up for the trade as long as Josh Howard is involved as well :jam2: :jam2: :jam2: :jam2:
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Postby Weezy on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:00 pm

JSM wrote:And here come the rumors...

ESPN's Chad Ford: With the Lakers flaming out in the Finals, it didn't take long for speculation about Lamar Odom to begin. A number of teams covet Odom because of his expiring contract.

I'd expect the Lakers to hear from the Nets (for Richard Jefferson), the Bulls (for Andres Nocioni), the Kings (for Ron Artest) and Memphis (for Mike Miller).

The Lakers and Grizzlies, as you might remember, have a history.


I'd take any of those guys for LO, they all have strengths we could use.
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Postby LakersN4 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:05 pm

RJeff is a better defender & better shooter than LO..Not to mention he can step up & be a true second option if Pau decides to disappear again.. Where do I sign? Next to Artest for the MLE we can't do better than RJeff for LO
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Postby Crispy on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:30 pm

I think we should go after a guy like Baron Davis. It's obvious that this team needs a dynamic PG, Fisher just isn't what he used to be. Fisher's a spark off the bench, not a starter. So maybe like a Odom+Farmar+pick for Davis type deal. I know, this is pipe. Because I doubt the Warriors would even trade with the best team in their division.

I figure we could go with these lineups... probably start out with Ariza, since he's developing a jumpshot to go with his defense and athleticism. I'd also like to get a guy like Josh Childress with the MLE, which would make Odom even more expendable for a PG. So this leaves us with a bench with Fisher, Vujacic, Walton, Radmanovic, Turiaf, Karl, Mbenga, MLE.

C - Bynum
PF - Gasol
SF - Ariza
SG - Bryant
PG - Davis

C - Bynum
PF - Gasol
SF - Bryant
SG - Vujacic
PG - Davis
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Postby Jajwa on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:31 pm

Crispy wrote:I think we should go after a guy like Baron Davis. It's obvious that this team needs a dynamic PG, Fisher just isn't what he used to be. Fisher's a spark off the bench, not a starter. So maybe like a Odom+Farmar+pick for Davis type deal. I know, this is pipe. Because I doubt the Warriors would even trade with the best team in their division.

I figure we could go with these lineups... probably start out with Ariza, since he's developing a jumpshot to go with his defense and athleticism. I'd also like to get a guy like Josh Childress with the MLE, which would make Odom even more expendable for a PG. So this leaves us with a bench with Fisher, Vujacic, Walton, Radmanovic, Turiaf, Karl, Mbenga, MLE.

C - Bynum
PF - Gasol
SF - Ariza
SG - Bryant
PG - Davis

C - Bynum
PF - Gasol
SF - Bryant
SG - Vujacic
PG - Davis


I can beat your team:

PG- Hinrich
SG- Bryant
SF- Artest
PF- Gasol
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Postby Brand New on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:31 pm

we won't get Davis, we have a better shot and getting Nocioni or Jefferson then Baron
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Postby wallangong on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:35 pm

lotus wrote:
Lakerman JSJ wrote:
lotus wrote:Odom should have been trade 2 years ago. We'd probably have a championship by now.


That's a silly statement. For all his shortcomings, he was a main reason we got to the Finals this season. Once the Gasol deal was done, we needed Odom at the 4 desperately. Who else starts if we don't have Odom? Ronny?

Anyway, he's probably gone because of his expiring contract and poor fit on this team, but he shouldn't be completely dumped on upon his exit. He did some good things for us too.


Not silly. Laker fans have been hanging on to his so called "potential" since he's been here and he's never lived up to it.

Now you want to say he's the reason we got to the Finals? Well, you can say that about a few players (see Fisher and Gasol).

No one said he's made a zero contribution, but it was obvious that he wasn't going to be there when most needed. I'm not impressed with his box scores when it's based on inconsistent play, and not showing up when it got tough in the Finals and some of the playoffs.


not silly, just flat out stupid and ungrateful. Oh, LO didn't show up in the Finals?

THE WHOLE TEAM SKIPPED THE FINALS.

just because the man is the most logical player to ship out doesn't mean he's the scapegoat for the loss. i seriously have to question the intelligence on this board when a majority of the board acts like LO did nothing and is worth no more than a bag of peanuts. the last few days, that's all i keep seeing is how much this guy sucks. come on guys, don't be so asinine.
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Postby hollywood swinger on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:35 pm

Crispy wrote:I think we should go after a guy like Baron Davis. It's obvious that this team needs a dynamic PG, Fisher just isn't what he used to be. Fisher's a spark off the bench, not a starter. So maybe like a Odom+Farmar+pick for Davis type deal. I know, this is pipe. Because I doubt the Warriors would even trade with the best team in their division.

I figure we could go with these lineups... probably start out with Ariza, since he's developing a jumpshot to go with his defense and athleticism. I'd also like to get a guy like Josh Childress with the MLE, which would make Odom even more expendable for a PG. So this leaves us with a bench with Fisher, Vujacic, Walton, Radmanovic, Turiaf, Karl, Mbenga, MLE.

C - Bynum
PF - Gasol
SF - Ariza
SG - Bryant
PG - Davis

C - Bynum
PF - Gasol
SF - Bryant
SG - Vujacic
PG - Davis


I been saying the same thing for days now and no one will listen. goodluck!

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Postby Weezy on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:38 pm

Unless we fire Phil and add a coach that runs nothing but pick n roll, why do we need a dynamic PG? What good would Baron or any other playmaking PG be in the triangle? Our offense needs a quality C and a quality SF and above all we need defense.
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Postby Jajwa on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:39 pm

That would be somewhat of a waste of Baron Davis' abilities.

In order my top two PGs who would thrive in the triangle have always been:

1. Chauncey Billups
2. Kirk Hinrich
3. Delonte West
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Postby wallangong on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:39 pm

Weezy wrote:Unless we fire Phil and add a coach that runs nothing but pick n roll, why do we need a dynamic PG? What good would Baron or any other playmaking PG be in the triangle? Our offense needs a quality C and a quality SF and above all we need defense.


yeah i'm confused. after watching Rajon Rondo run PG for the championship team, what on earth makes people think we need Baron? i'd love to have him, but i'd much rather have Artest
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Postby Lakerman JSJ on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:40 pm

Weezy wrote:Unless we fire Phil and add a coach that runs nothing but pick n roll, why do we need a dynamic PG? What good would Baron or any other playmaking PG be in the triangle? Our offense needs a quality C and a quality SF and above all we need defense.


LO for Hinrich fits a need. I'd love it. Throw in Artest for the MLE or an improved Ariza and I'll be ecstatic.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:43 pm

Lakerman JSJ wrote:
Weezy wrote:Unless we fire Phil and add a coach that runs nothing but pick n roll, why do we need a dynamic PG? What good would Baron or any other playmaking PG be in the triangle? Our offense needs a quality C and a quality SF and above all we need defense.


LO for Hinrich fits a need. I'd love it. Throw in Artest for the MLE or an improved Ariza and I'll be ecstatic.


That's my dream offseason. Heck, if we got Hinrich and Artest, I wouldn't even care about Ariza. I'm kinda resigned to the fact that we have 2 MLE contract level sfs as backups and a third isn't going to happen.
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Postby Lakerman JSJ on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:45 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
Lakerman JSJ wrote:
Weezy wrote:Unless we fire Phil and add a coach that runs nothing but pick n roll, why do we need a dynamic PG? What good would Baron or any other playmaking PG be in the triangle? Our offense needs a quality C and a quality SF and above all we need defense.


LO for Hinrich fits a need. I'd love it. Throw in Artest for the MLE or an improved Ariza and I'll be ecstatic.


That's my dream offseason. Heck, if we got Hinrich and Artest, I wouldn't even care about Ariza. I'm kinda resigned to the fact that we have 2 MLE contract level sfs as backups and a third isn't going to happen.


We're on the same page. There's not a better team this decade on paper on both sides of the floor than Hinrich/Kobe/Artest/Pau/Bynum with Ariza/Fish/Ronny/Sasha coming off the bench...I just came.
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Postby slimjim on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:45 pm

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Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:46 pm

Lakerman JSJ wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
Lakerman JSJ wrote:
Weezy wrote:Unless we fire Phil and add a coach that runs nothing but pick n roll, why do we need a dynamic PG? What good would Baron or any other playmaking PG be in the triangle? Our offense needs a quality C and a quality SF and above all we need defense.


LO for Hinrich fits a need. I'd love it. Throw in Artest for the MLE or an improved Ariza and I'll be ecstatic.


That's my dream offseason. Heck, if we got Hinrich and Artest, I wouldn't even care about Ariza. I'm kinda resigned to the fact that we have 2 MLE contract level sfs as backups and a third isn't going to happen.


We're on the same page. There's not a better team this decade on paper on both sides of the floor than Hinrich/Kobe/Artest/Pau/Bynum with Ariza/Fish/Ronny/Sasha coming off the bench...I just came.


Couldn't you have gotten off my page before you did? :mhihi:
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Postby vaheblings on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:47 pm

Like i said in April Odom is as good as gone. Just check page 1
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Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:48 pm

slimjim wrote:
kobejon wrote:YOU DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT GET RID OF ODOM UNTIL YOU SEE HOW HE FITS WITH BYNUM AND GASOL

IF ANYTHING, YOU DO NOT TRADE HIM UNTIL MIDSEASON AT THE EARLIEST


agreed.

I think LO's value will be best at midseason, right before the deadline, and teams are making adjustments for the postseason.

but if he fits in well with gasol/bynum?
why would we trade him?

it's a win/win.

we can potentially get more in return.
we will see how the trio will operate together.


NOt that simple. Just because Gasol is a smart player and was able to step right in and grasp the offense, don't think everyone can. By doing the trade now it gives the Lakers a full training camp with everyone and a chance to build cohesion the entire season as opposed to a couple months.
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Postby Lakerman JSJ on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:48 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
Lakerman JSJ wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
Lakerman JSJ wrote:
Weezy wrote:Unless we fire Phil and add a coach that runs nothing but pick n roll, why do we need a dynamic PG? What good would Baron or any other playmaking PG be in the triangle? Our offense needs a quality C and a quality SF and above all we need defense.


LO for Hinrich fits a need. I'd love it. Throw in Artest for the MLE or an improved Ariza and I'll be ecstatic.


That's my dream offseason. Heck, if we got Hinrich and Artest, I wouldn't even care about Ariza. I'm kinda resigned to the fact that we have 2 MLE contract level sfs as backups and a third isn't going to happen.


We're on the same page. There's not a better team this decade on paper on both sides of the floor than Hinrich/Kobe/Artest/Pau/Bynum with Ariza/Fish/Ronny/Sasha coming off the bench...I just came.


Couldn't you have gotten off my page before you did? :mhihi:


Don't act like you don't like it. :mhihi:
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Postby Jajwa on Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:50 pm

That's exactly right.

Artest would need time to mesh into the offense and figure out his new role as the triangle 3 or possibly even as the triangle 2 on the weak side with Gasol.

You can't get Artest or Hinrich mid-season as easily and getting either would upset the offense. The 5 is easy to play mid-season onwards. The rest of the positions are complicated.
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