LBJ's Block on Kobe, Clean Block or FOUL ?

Postby Klewfish on Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:10 pm

Everyone pretty much summed it up here. It was a clean block. Yes, it hurt to see it, but 100% clean. All ball. No reason to cry foul, or try and make excuses, some people are so sensitive...
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Postby LaLaKeRz4LiFe on Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:52 am

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Postby CrazyLikeCatfish on Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:59 am

blakeruns wrote:obviously clean,


the ball was slipping out of his hands as he went up however.
Yeah, Kobe wouldn't have dunked even if Lebron wasn't there. He just lost control. Oh yeah, the block was clean.
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Postby JuanoLAL on Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:37 am

KB8@CL wrote:
Satan wrote:1. This probably doesn't need it's own thread.
2. Looks like a clean block to me.
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Postby SP1 on Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:09 pm

whats up with the guy who posted that video. hes the biggest kobe hater ive ever seen. he has some issues.
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Postby GT1 on Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:48 am

SP1 wrote:whats up with the guy who posted that video. hes the biggest kobe hater ive ever seen. he has some issues.


The thing is though, he backs up everything he says, and he makes a lot of very good points.

Kobe is very inconsistent, and isn't very efficient, has terrible shot selection, and really hasn't accomplished much since Shaq left.

I love Kobe though and I hope he figures it out! Times running out! He's just a year and a month from being 30! :man4:
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Postby Weezy on Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:05 am

GT1 wrote:
SP1 wrote:whats up with the guy who posted that video. hes the biggest kobe hater ive ever seen. he has some issues.


The thing is though, he backs up everything he says, and he makes a lot of very good points.

Kobe is very inconsistent, and isn't very efficient, has terrible shot selection, and really hasn't accomplished much since Shaq left.

I love Kobe though and I hope he figures it out! Times running out! He's just a year and a month from being 30! :man4:


Inconsistent at what, 50 point games? :man10: That terrible shot selection has been his shot selection his whole career so I think those are just shots he prefers.
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Postby GT1 on Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:26 am

Weezy wrote:
GT1 wrote:
SP1 wrote:whats up with the guy who posted that video. hes the biggest kobe hater ive ever seen. he has some issues.


The thing is though, he backs up everything he says, and he makes a lot of very good points.

Kobe is very inconsistent, and isn't very efficient, has terrible shot selection, and really hasn't accomplished much since Shaq left.

I love Kobe though and I hope he figures it out! Times running out! He's just a year and a month from being 30! :man4:


Inconsistent at what, 50 point games? :man10: That terrible shot selection has been his shot selection his whole career so I think those are just shots he prefers.


Inconsistent at efficiency! 1 out of 10 games (probably) will Kobe have a good shooting percentage along with good number of assists and rebounds, and run the offense.

The rest of the games, are just high scoring, lots of shooting, and ignoring the offense.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:39 am

GT1 wrote:
Weezy wrote:
GT1 wrote:
SP1 wrote:whats up with the guy who posted that video. hes the biggest kobe hater ive ever seen. he has some issues.


The thing is though, he backs up everything he says, and he makes a lot of very good points.

Kobe is very inconsistent, and isn't very efficient, has terrible shot selection, and really hasn't accomplished much since Shaq left.

I love Kobe though and I hope he figures it out! Times running out! He's just a year and a month from being 30! :man4:


Inconsistent at what, 50 point games? :man10: That terrible shot selection has been his shot selection his whole career so I think those are just shots he prefers.


Inconsistent at efficiency! 1 out of 10 games (probably) will Kobe have a good shooting percentage along with good number of assists and rebounds, and run the offense.

The rest of the games, are just high scoring, lots of shooting, and ignoring the offense.


wow, I hope you don't choke sticking your foot in your mouth like that. By the way you put it Kobe is as consistant as Lamar is considered better yet less important because Lamar atleast has the shooting %, Rebounds and Assist.

Here's an idea! Try watching the games without any type of goggles on "Lakers" or "Haters" and you will see that the wierd taste in your mouth is your foot.
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Postby TXLAKERFAN on Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:45 am

Anybody notice team blue still got two points on that play.
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Postby ladam24 on Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:03 pm

GT1 wrote:
Weezy wrote:
GT1 wrote:
SP1 wrote:whats up with the guy who posted that video. hes the biggest kobe hater ive ever seen. he has some issues.


The thing is though, he backs up everything he says, and he makes a lot of very good points.

Kobe is very inconsistent, and isn't very efficient, has terrible shot selection, and really hasn't accomplished much since Shaq left.

I love Kobe though and I hope he figures it out! Times running out! He's just a year and a month from being 30! :man4:


Inconsistent at what, 50 point games? :man10: That terrible shot selection has been his shot selection his whole career so I think those are just shots he prefers.


Inconsistent at efficiency! 1 out of 10 games (probably) will Kobe have a good shooting percentage along with good number of assists and rebounds, and run the offense.

The rest of the games, are just high scoring, lots of shooting, and ignoring the offense.


Did you miss the last two seasons?

1 in 10 games? :man10: :man10: :man10:
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Postby solenstyle on Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:50 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
GT1 wrote:
Weezy wrote:
GT1 wrote:
SP1 wrote:whats up with the guy who posted that video. hes the biggest kobe hater ive ever seen. he has some issues.


The thing is though, he backs up everything he says, and he makes a lot of very good points.

Kobe is very inconsistent, and isn't very efficient, has terrible shot selection, and really hasn't accomplished much since Shaq left.

I love Kobe though and I hope he figures it out! Times running out! He's just a year and a month from being 30! :man4:


Inconsistent at what, 50 point games? :man10: That terrible shot selection has been his shot selection his whole career so I think those are just shots he prefers.


Inconsistent at efficiency! 1 out of 10 games (probably) will Kobe have a good shooting percentage along with good number of assists and rebounds, and run the offense.

The rest of the games, are just high scoring, lots of shooting, and ignoring the offense.


wow, I hope you don't choke sticking your foot in your mouth like that. By the way you put it Kobe is as consistant as Lamar is considered better yet less important because Lamar atleast has the shooting %, Rebounds and Assist.

Here's an idea! Try watching the games without any type of goggles on "Lakers" or "Haters" and you will see that the wierd taste in your mouth is your foot.


maybe you should go to Bruce blitz site... although he is a hater, he brings up a lot of valid points... actually read it,... please

and go to the inconsistency part... read I cannot stress that enough

http://kobevsjordan.bravehost.com/inconsistent.html


after reading it... what do you have to counter that argument??
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:28 pm

solenstyle-

Wait you want me to read someone's point of view on Kobe vs MJ? There are posters on this board that can take the "numbers" and tilt them towards whatever argument they wish. Yet, you want me to read a "hater" to tell me wether or not Kobe is efficent?

A couple of thigs:

1. Points or valid if you like that point of view.

2. I like to believe my eyes when watching games and base my opinion off of that.

3. Numbers don't tell the story at all. I'll direct you to any of the Lamar haters on this board to prove that point.

4. You can not....and I can't stress enough.... minimize consistancy with blanket statements since the variable involved are to vast to simplify. Every difference in a game changes its variables hence putting numbers down and making them straight facts is not only idiotic but proves that he didn't watch the games.

So I say and I can't stress enough..... think for yourself not everything you read is true or accurate.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:33 pm

and to add-

Kobe is great, he has a long way to go to be considered a "legend". A legend in his own era means nothing because the NBA basicly has sucked all around ever since the end of the 80's. You have a few good teams but it just totally sucks. You have shotjackers everywhere, players don't want to play defense, guys take 11 free throws per night, they don't even allow contact anymore so it is easier to score....etc.


Your guy discredits every unbiased opinion he has with this one quote. But hey like you said he makes some valid points :man10: I suspect this guy is a Jordan lover and an old school fanatic who hates change. The entire page is full of opinion driven hate filled with nothing more than hot air. MJ's legacy is strong enough to stand on its on merrit yet so many people feel in order to defend it they have to attack the person being compared. Yeah this guy is an authority.
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Postby solenstyle on Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:55 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:and to add-

Kobe is great, he has a long way to go to be considered a "legend". A legend in his own era means nothing because the NBA basicly has sucked all around ever since the end of the 80's. You have a few good teams but it just totally sucks. You have shotjackers everywhere, players don't want to play defense, guys take 11 free throws per night, they don't even allow contact anymore so it is easier to score....etc.


Your guy discredits every unbiased opinion he has with this one quote. But hey like you said he makes some valid points :man10: I suspect this guy is a Jordan lover and an old school fanatic who hates change. The entire page is full of opinion driven hate filled with nothing more than hot air. MJ's legacy is strong enough to stand on its on merrit yet so many people feel in order to defend it they have to attack the person being compared. Yeah this guy is an authority.


MJ's legacy should be strong enough on it's own merit but there are kobe fans who are always saying Kobe > Jordan. This is the reason why most MJ fans hate kobe fans. Most don't hate Kobe but in fact hate the fans who overrate players. Did you see the fg% in games?? It shows he is inconsistent... efficiency is something we aren't talking about. Now that doesn't mean he isn't great... because Odom is in fact consistent but by far not as good as Kobe. I do think for myself...

I look at the overall picture rather then discredit other people and deem them as haters. I always hear D Fade, LeBronze, yet when kobe gets ridiculed, ppl jump and call them haters. The hypocrisy is amazing.

No one said he is an authority. Just that you should gather all information and not discredit anyone's... then form your own opinion. His bias aside makes great points. His entire page isn't full of opinion and filled with hate. He has stats that no one made up but Kobe by playing that way. Tell me how that shouldn't be noted. You suspect he is a jordan lover so you discredit his views??, yet you guys are all kobe lovers. It's the same. I'm a fan of Kobe & Jordan & the entire NBA but most importantly the Lakers. I try to have no bias view. By that, I say he was inconsistent by his fg%
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:14 pm

solenstyle wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:and to add-

Kobe is great, he has a long way to go to be considered a "legend". A legend in his own era means nothing because the NBA basicly has sucked all around ever since the end of the 80's. You have a few good teams but it just totally sucks. You have shotjackers everywhere, players don't want to play defense, guys take 11 free throws per night, they don't even allow contact anymore so it is easier to score....etc.


Your guy discredits every unbiased opinion he has with this one quote. But hey like you said he makes some valid points :man10: I suspect this guy is a Jordan lover and an old school fanatic who hates change. The entire page is full of opinion driven hate filled with nothing more than hot air. MJ's legacy is strong enough to stand on its on merrit yet so many people feel in order to defend it they have to attack the person being compared. Yeah this guy is an authority.


MJ's legacy should be strong enough on it's own merit but there are kobe fans who are always saying Kobe > Jordan. This is the reason why most MJ fans hate kobe fans. Most don't hate Kobe but in fact hate the fans who overrate players. Did you see the fg% in games?? It shows he is inconsistent... efficiency is something we aren't talking about. Now that doesn't mean he isn't great... because Odom is in fact consistent but by far not as good as Kobe. I do think for myself...

I look at the overall picture rather then discredit other people and deem them as haters. I always hear D Fade, LeBronze, yet when kobe gets ridiculed, ppl jump and call them haters. The hypocrisy is amazing.

No one said he is an authority. Just that you should gather all information and not discredit anyone's... then form your own opinion. His bias aside makes great points. His entire page isn't full of opinion and filled with hate. He has stats that no one made up but Kobe by playing that way. Tell me how that shouldn't be noted. You suspect he is a jordan lover so you discredit his views??, yet you guys are all kobe lovers. It's the same. I'm a fan of Kobe & Jordan & the entire NBA but most importantly the Lakers. I try to have no bias view. By that, I say he was inconsistent by his fg%


If fans want to call other players by names they can its part of the rivalry that athletes and fans alike share. You are on a Lakers board so the bias will be tainted towards our players there is nothing wrong with that. Here's the problem, You yourself call them Kobe first fans because they back Kobe which basically tries to discredit whoever is making an argument for Kobe. Haters and Jockers alike use name calling to justify their own opinions. SOmeone is a hater when all they do is use every avenue to downplay another person. I dislike William Parker yet I always gave him credit when he showed up and played to his ability. Due to his play I happen to talk bad about him more often than not but anyway it applies here as well. It's not hypocracy if someone doesn't have or change to the same opinion you have based on your own "facts".

Now to the meat and potatos in this, I saw the field goal percentage but here are a couple of questions:

1. How were the Lakers playing at the time
2. What was the other team doing
3. How did the role players perform
4. Was the other team allowed to just double and triple team Kobe
5. Did anyone shoot a high percentage
6. Where was the game
7. what happened the day before

etc etc etc etc

Like I said stats are great if I wanted I could go back and pull up all the stats to show how much of an impact William Parker had for the lakers in his 162 (or more) games. I could point that if his teammates trusted him more he would score more and thus we would win more and LA would have had a higher seed and possible won the championship. Of course I would be out of my mind thinking that William Parker would have that type of impact. For the record his entire page is filled with opinion/hate he purposefully chose certain games without any actual truth to how the game was being played. Here is one just for an example

Mar 25th Kobe tries to go for that 5th 50 point game the stat chaser, with 33 shot attempts making only 15, well they only gave him 11 free throws so he only scored 43 points. 33 shot attempts 11 free throws only 43 points in a close lucky 2 point win over gsw



This whole post is ripe with "I Hate Kobe" (note I just picked out the first one my mouse went too). The fact is it was part of the streak that ended our 7 game slide yet your guy doesn't mention it at all. Here is a little clip from the recap and the link incase you want to be informed-

Bryant came out firing, making his first four shots for nine points in the opening 2:04 as the Lakers took a 12-2 lead. He went 7-of-14 for 17 points in the first quarter, which ended with Los Angeles leading 35-25. His teammates shot 7-of-9 in the period.

The second quarter was a much different story, as Bryant shot 2-of-4 for four points to raise his total to 21 at halftime. The Lakers led 48-29 before the Warriors rallied to move within four points at the break.

Bryant entered the fourth quarter with 31 points. He reached 40 by making a short jumper with 4:17 left, but was held to three foul shots after that.

http://www.nba.com/games/20070325/GSWLAL/recap.html


You can taint an opinion any way you wish and put the numbers in any form that you deem right and people will believe it. I am not saying Kobe is perfect and I am not saying that at times I think he makes bad decissions but you want to discredit him use a real argument and MJ's legacy isn't one of them. Field goal percentage on paper only tells how many shots he made out of how many he took. It doesn't tell you how many are bail-out shots, How many or end of quarter shots, how many are taken with no call being made. Stats are black and white, they are there, they are concrete and you can't ignore them on the paper but fact is the game is a whole lot of greys.

Thats all I am saying this guy is a Kobe hater I bet a Kobe lover could make a page just as convicing using all the same information that all the Kobe lovers would be all over.
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Postby ImmortalD24 on Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:52 am

It was clean. :turiaf:

Just like this supposed foul. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ErH-r4Ed9JU
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Postby ladam24 on Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:48 pm

ImmortalD24 wrote:It was clean. :turiaf:

Just like this supposed foul. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ErH-r4Ed9JU


There was one worse than that, much worse. He had a block on barbosa in the playoffs last year. Game 3 i believe. It was HUGE. Kobe head was at the ring, but there was a foul called. BS.
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Postby lakaboy42 on Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:42 pm

Kobe tried something fancy in an exhibition and got denied, why are people still talking about it? Sometimes it actually works in the Lakers favor when Kobe gets embarassed, because he might have been denied 2 points but he'll score 10 and take away 10 on the defensive end just to get even.
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Postby RJ on Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:27 pm

ladam24 wrote:
ImmortalD24 wrote:It was clean. :turiaf:

Just like this supposed foul. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ErH-r4Ed9JU


There was one worse than that, much worse. He had a block on barbosa in the playoffs last year. Game 3 i believe. It was HUGE. Kobe head was at the ring, but there was a foul called. BS.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=MTAK3zuxHXM

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But Kobe has had some nice swats! [a little off-topic]:

On Melo: http://youtube.com/watch?v=jzBAZ6rFjQw& ... arch=piano
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Deron gets eaten [lmao at some fans jumping up in anticipation then sitting down quickly]: http://youtube.com/watch?v=BQ9bk3hY6Qw& ... arch=piano
Swats Arenas [clutch]: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LfsCm_t4n2Q& ... arch=piano

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Postby lakerzkb8 on Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:04 pm

Doesn't matter, he got blocked
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Postby marioiscute on Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:20 pm

The block was clean, maybe a little post-block contact but the guy who posted that video is a total hater. He commented on his own video about 50 times and has the most ridiculous "facts" up there to show that LeBron is better than Kobe (:man10:).

The block is insignificant anyway, Kobe showed at the end of the game why he is better.
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Postby rareair on Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:14 pm

LeBrick clearly fouled Kobe on that play. I'm not sure what play you guys watched.....but Kobe got hit on the hand.

Regardless, Kobe OWNED LeBronze when it mattered and the "King" did his usual choke job in the clutch.
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Postby solenstyle on Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:21 pm

rareair wrote:LeBrick clearly fouled Kobe on that play. I'm not sure what play you guys watched.....but Kobe got hit on the hand.

Regardless, Kobe OWNED LeBronze when it mattered and the "King" did his usual choke job in the clutch.


what are you talking about? It was a clean block... stop defending kobe so much even when it is not needed.

So what if LeBron blocked Kobe?? It's nothing... just accept that it was a clean block, and move on...
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:26 am

rareair wrote:LeBrick clearly fouled Kobe on that play. I'm not sure what play you guys watched.....but Kobe got hit on the hand.

Regardless, Kobe OWNED LeBronze when it mattered and the "King" did his usual choke job in the clutch.


You do know that the hand is part of the ball, RIght?
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