Road to Beijing gold will be a difficult one

Road to Beijing gold will be a difficult one

Postby KB24 on Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:41 pm

It's no longer a dream for Team USA
Road to Beijing gold will be a difficult one


By FRAN BLINEBURY
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

SAITAMA, JAPAN - The Greeks danced in a circle and sang at midcourt, but it wasn't one of those maniacal, semi-religious celebrations in which the inhabitants of the ancient village actually believed they had just witnessed a miracle.

Greece defeated the United States in the semifinals at the World Basketball Championship by doing what the Greeks do. That is, screening, cutting, rolling to the hoop and passing the ball around as if it were ticking.

In other words, the Greeks did what a growing number of teams have done to Americans in the 21st century. They have to get in at the end of the conga line behind Argentina, Yugoslavia, Spain, Puerto Rico and Lithuania as teams that have danced past Team USA since the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, Australia.

American fans and American basketballologists are going to eventually have to understand that it is no longer a layup for the U.S. to win a gold or any kind of medal at the World Championship or the Olympics, the "LeBronze James" cracks notwithstanding.

"Unfortunately, we are in a tough position where people will judge our wins," said the Rockets' Shane Battier. "You talk about the dominant teams in sports in America — the Yankees, the old Celtics teams. They were judged on how they won, not the fact that they won.

"It's unfortunate, but that's the deal for us. That's how we are judged, be it right or be it wrong."

Over the next two years, the administration of USA Basketball and the coaching staff must determine what style of play and what kind of player it takes to win at FIBA basketball. As Tim Duncan proved in Athens, the NBA's best does not automatically translate into the best in the international game.

Times have changed drastically. Even though most of the American audience doesn't want to admit it, these are no longer the 1970s, when the Soviet Union needed funny business to beat the U.S. And it's no longer the 1980s or 1992, when the Dream Team won its games by an average of 47 points.

A global game
"All those kids around the world who watched the Dream Team are grown up now," Battier said. "And guess what? They're fast, strong, athletic, and they can shoot. This is a global game now, and it's exciting to be part of a world's championship that is truly a world's championship."

Which means that while it seems logical and easy to slip Kobe Bryant into a roster spot for Beijing, that doesn't put the U.S. head and shoulders above the field again. The Greeks, after all, won with a team that did not have a single NBA player, let alone a star.

There are so many other candidates out there. Gilbert Arenas is already complaining in Washington that he got a raw deal when he was cut. Bruce Bowen quietly feels the same way in San Antonio. Other candidates are Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Chauncey Billups and Lamar Odom, among others.

"A lot of things can change between here and then," Battier said. "Guys can get hurt. Guys have wives that have babies. Guys have surgery. So you just never can predict the direction this team will take. But we feel we have a nice core on this team of guys who played ball in this tournament, and it's always nice to draw from that core."

Head coach Mike Krzyzewski admitted he's still going through on-the-job training for this gig and that it's entirely different from his full-time job at Duke.

"What I think is that worldwide basketball is terrific," he said. "There are really three different games that are played by our country. We play an NBA game that if the world played, it might be different results. Then there's an international game; then there's the collegiate game.

"So when you cross over from one to another, in worldwide basketball, I think it's up for grabs. "

To compete in the wide-open FIBA world, the U.S. has to come back not just with some different players but also a new look. Coach K somehow believed he could win with an offense that would feed strictly off his defense. And that defense consisted mainly of keeping pressure on the ball and expecting the opponents to cave. When the Greeks didn't, it was all over.

The Americans will need to learn to defend the pick-and-roll better, not always getting sucked in by opponents reversing the ball and getting wide-open shots or cuts for layups. They also will need to learn more patience on offense to play against a zone defense.

Marksmen would help
And it wouldn't hurt to bring in some bona fide designated shooters. Michael Redd? Even an aging Ray Allen? U.S. shooting from beyond the 3-point line was, when not bad, simply too impatient.

The U.S. also needs some size up front. When 6-11 Sofoklis Schortsanitas — "Baby Shaq" — set a high pick and just rolled to the basket four straight times during Greece's comeback run, the Americans were powerless to stop him.

And despite the strides made in avoiding any ugly Larry Brown-type tantrums or international incidents, the Americans still need to learn more respect for the inter-
national game, how it can turn around on a dime or a euro.

When the Americans had taken a 33-21 lead on Greece midway through the second quarter, LeBron James was heard shouting to his teammates during a timeout: "They don't know what to do."

But quite soon, they did.

"We understood that, as they say in the States, the game isn't over until the fat lady sings," said Greek guard Theo Papaloukas.

The fat lady's been standing outside screaming at the top of her lungs about Team USA's place in the world game for most of the new millennium. This was just one more chance to notice.


I have to say USA deserves the critics.

I did choose to open a new thread cuz this is not about the world championship alone, its more about the future of team USA.
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Postby KB24 on Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:42 pm

here another article

Team USA is still a work in progress
LeBron, others say they're taking steps to build up program
By Brian Windhorst
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SAITAMA, JAPAN - Just 24 hours before taking on Greece in the FIBA World Championship semifinals, Team USA closed its final practice by installing completely new offensive plays.

Coach Mike Krzyzewski started 10 players in the nine-game tournament, rarely opened the third quarter with the same lineup as the first quarter and constantly churned his rotation and substitution habits.

Six weeks after mildly scolding reporters at training camp in Las Vegas that anyone who knows him knows he doesn't play zone, the Americans experimented with it in the bronze medal victory over Argentina on Saturday.

Some disappointed American fans don't understand why supreme athleticism cannot win at international basketball events and perhaps tire of hearing about the United States' disadvantage when it comes to other national teams' chemistry.

Those details of Krzyzewski and his constant tinkerings to find a reliable formula just hint at the actual challenge. It doesn't even speak of the difficulties the players have at learning their new teammates in just a few weeks of practice.

The three other top teams in Japan -- Greece, Argentina and Spain -- all have cores that have been playing together for three years or longer.

All in all, USA Basketball officials feel progress was made this summer with its overhauled approach to the team's construction. Even though it didn't lead to a gold medal, it did produce an 8-1 record and a chance to evaluate and correct mistakes.

They hope some consistency can be laid this summer, built on next summer at the Olympic qualifying tournament in Venezuela, and completed at training camp in 2008 before the Beijing Olympics.

The plan is to level the playing field when it comes to chemistry and use the talent advantage to reclaim gold.

``We've got to keep improving. We've got to keep coming together,'' said LeBron James, who averaged 13.9 points, 4.3 rebounds and 4.1 assists during the world championship.

``We've got to keep loving FIBA basketball. It is a whole different game and you just have to forget about the NBA.''

The average age of Team USA was just 24 years, and captains James, Carmelo Anthony and Dwyane Wade are all under that. Some of the more experienced members of the roster who are expected to help were injured or forced to skip the tournament for family reasons. Players such as Kobe Bryant, Chauncey Billups and Paul Pierce may be able to rejoin the team next summer and in Beijing.

``We wanted to win this thing, so it hurts that we didn't and it will hurt for a while,'' USA Basketball Managing Director Jerry Colangelo said. ``But I think this was still a big step for us and our goal is to win gold in Beijing.''

Whether the challenging gaps can be closed and whether the U.S. players can truly make annual departures from the NBA style is yet to be seen. But after losing three games at the last world championship in Indianapolis in 2002, when they finished sixth, and losing three times in Athens at the 2004 Olympics, it does appear the trend is starting to be reversed.

Even if it wasn't as quick and efficient as the Dream Team standard.

``We're trying to build an international program for our country, which has never been done,'' Krzyzewski said. ``We hope we've started the foundation.''
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Postby Klewfish on Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:30 pm

They probably haven't heard the news that KOBE BRYANT will be on the olympic team. Game over.
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Postby LaLaKeRz4LiFe on Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:39 pm

And Billups, Redd. :man13:
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Postby Kobe101 on Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:41 pm

Whats up with usa? We settling for 2nd and 3rd best now?
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Postby jBL on Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:53 pm

Well the same guy who said that they'll definitely win gold because they're improved from inexperienced 2004 says that they did their best and he's satisfied after only winning a bronze.

If Kobe was LeBron, he wouldn't make excuses like that. I'm not saying this as a Kobe and Laker fan, but that's just how those two are and that's what differenciate them as a true leader.
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Postby nameant on Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:07 pm

Kobe = Gold. not worried about anything else.
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Postby ladam24 on Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:23 pm

nameant wrote:Kobe = Gold. not worried about anything else.
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Postby supacrazy on Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:32 pm

people need to get off the kobe worship and be realistic.. individual is NOT going to bring home the gold. if thats the case, Lakers would have been NBA champ every year with kobe on the team. Team USA had Wade (Final MVP), Lebron (Most atheletic, versatile player in NBA) and they still had trouble winning all the way. As good as Kobe's individual skill is, he is not known for good mix with teammates. The only way US team is gonna get that trophy again is to play better as a team and be more consistent, with or without kobe
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Postby Klewfish on Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:40 pm

supacrazy wrote:people need to get off the kobe worship and be realistic.. individual is NOT going to bring home the gold. if thats the case, Lakers would have been NBA champ every year with kobe on the team. Team USA had Wade (Final MVP), Lebron (Most atheletic, versatile player in NBA) and they still had trouble winning all the way. As good as Kobe's individual skill is, he is not known for good mix with teammates. The only way US team is gonna get that trophy again is to play better as a team and be more consistent, with or without kobe


Kobe is not known for good mix with teammates, doesn't mean he doesn't possess that quality. Kobe's main concern is winning, he will do whatever it takes to win. We saw this in our first round series vs PHX. Kobe knew that the one-man show didn't work in the regular season, and compromised his game to win. We also saw it in his 81 scoring game vs TOR. In both instances, he had a deep desire to win and did what was necessary at the time to get the victory. There is no doubt in my mind that Kobe would do whatever it takes to win the Olympic Gold. Wade may be the Final MVP, and LeBron may be versatile, but Kobe is hands down the best player in the game, and he has the ability like no other to take over a game. Neither Wade or Lebron can take over a game like Kobe can.
Despite the fact Kobe usually "takes over a game" by scoring a lot, you could compare what he might do in international play to how Lebron takes over a game in the NBA. If Kobe had teammates like he will have on the Olympics team, no doubt he would take over games with scoring and passing. No one said anything about Kobe doing this solo, we are just saying that with Kobe the team would have been a heck of a lot better in the World Championships, and will ensure a Gold Medal come Olympic time.
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Postby nameant on Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:13 pm

supacrazy wrote:people need to get off the kobe worship and be realistic.. individual is NOT going to bring home the gold. if thats the case, Lakers would have been NBA champ every year with kobe on the team. Team USA had Wade (Final MVP), Lebron (Most atheletic, versatile player in NBA) and they still had trouble winning all the way. As good as Kobe's individual skill is, he is not known for good mix with teammates. The only way US team is gonna get that trophy again is to play better as a team and be more consistent, with or without kobe


yes b/c the talent on team USA is equal to the talent of our roster last season. :freak2: everything we lack on team USA, Kobe brings. real leadership, not that "I'm the leader" crap, Kobe will bring. having Kobe on your team gives you confidence. Kobe said he'd love to be on team USA just to dig in defensively. defense is contagious. offensively, Kobe can do whatever he wants. the international 3? that's like a FT for Kobe. outside shooting, stretching the defense, confidence, defensive intensity, Kobe brings that all. saying Kobe will make the difference isnt worship, it's the truth. open your eyes.
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Postby LALShowtime on Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:51 pm

Just having Kobe does not equal gold.

The european game is centered around team play, a group of superstars won't cut it unless they develop quick chemistry figure out roles etc.
The US again will only have 3 weeks to prepare once finals end and training begins, the primary thing they need to focus is team defense and guarding the pick and rolls something 90% of teams have trouble with.
For US to win Kobe has to play good, but Melo really dissapointed with his FT shooting the final games, and LeBron has to step it up.

It's going to be tough, the games will be close against the dominant teams but with their roster Kobe, Melo, James, Wade etc one thing they need is
More big men.

Jamieson, Brad Miller, Bosh didn't do too well. The entire frontcourt got outscored by Baby Shaq in Greece, Right now outta our big core Dwight should be the only lock to return we need to upgrade our big unit with more defensive bigs and rebounders.
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Postby Klewfish on Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:19 pm

LALShowtime wrote:Just having Kobe does not equal gold.

The european game is centered around team play, a group of superstars won't cut it unless they develop quick chemistry figure out roles etc.
The US again will only have 3 weeks to prepare once finals end and training begins, the primary thing they need to focus is team defense and guarding the pick and rolls something 90% of teams have trouble with.
For US to win Kobe has to play good, but Melo really dissapointed with his FT shooting the final games, and LeBron has to step it up.

It's going to be tough, the games will be close against the dominant teams but with their roster Kobe, Melo, James, Wade etc one thing they need is
More big men.

Jamieson, Brad Miller, Bosh didn't do too well. The entire frontcourt got outscored by Baby Shaq in Greece, Right now outta our big core Dwight should be the only lock to return we need to upgrade our big unit with more defensive bigs and rebounders.


First, you are complaining that our entire frontcourt got outscored in the Greece game, but then dont mention anything about our frontcourt needing to add scoring?

I wouldn't be upset to see a lot of our frontcourt return. The Olympics aren't for another 3 years, imagine Dwight and Bosh with three more years of professional basketball under their belt, the development they will go through. Brad Miller has an ideal big man game for international play. Jamison is a guy who can guard international 3's and 4's, and also has a game that can jive with the international style.
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Postby jBL on Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:45 pm

Talents are already there without the likes of Kobe, Billups, and Pierce. It's about filling in the missing parts such as leaderships and defenses. Team USA did not lose because they aren't talented enough. They lost because almost each possessed similar talents to one another, which means they lack something else that no one has, such as shooting and interior defense. Who's capable of hitting from both in and out? Joe Johnson? Who else? Kirk Hinrich?
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Postby shaq_hater on Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:19 pm

When the Americans had taken a 33-21 lead on Greece midway through the second quarter, LeBron James was heard shouting to his teammates during a timeout: "They don't know what to do."


lebron is sooo full of BS.
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Postby strikemode14 on Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:26 pm

Party is over in 08

The world has had it's fun. The world has it's laughs in 02. Had a laugh in 04 and had a laugh in 06. In 08 the party is over, the rest of the world just don't show up. This man will be in there in 08.
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He is going to slice and dice that zone as the 3pt shot is basically a midranger jumper.



one int'l has already felt the effects of Kobe...Be warn the rest of the world.. be warned. :man9:

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Postby nameant on Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:00 pm

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Postby DHL on Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:07 pm

kobe shooting a fadeaway from international 3 pt range will make it even more entertaining
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Postby Crono0801 on Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:22 pm

whats the record for most 3pters in a game for the olympics? what about in the whole tournament? I can see kobe breaking records left n right.

well actually i hope he doesn't have to break records but if needed i can see him doing it
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Postby KB24 on Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:52 pm

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Now, everybody is tired of the losing.

There's no more point in gloating when the U.S. basketball team and its despised NBA players come home without the gold in yet another major international competition. No, this isn't funny anymore. This group did things the right way, and it got them nowhere, relatively speaking.

No matter how much the world has caught up, no matter how much more other national teams play together than our hastily assembled all-star teams, the U.S. is supposed to be as good as gold in basketball every time. It's our birthright. No exceptions, no excuses. Not anymore.

Yet, in the wake of the best team assembled in several years still falling short at the world championships in Japan and settling for a bronze medal, that belief only raises this fundamental question: How important is this to us? How far are we willing to go to assure Olympic gold? How much are we willing to sacrifice?

And "we" means more than the players, the coaches and the brain trust at USA Basketball. It also means we fans. The cure could hurt.

The old diagnosis for the illness no longer applies. This group, led by LeBron and Carmelo and Dwyane and supplemented by non-All-Stars like Shane Battier and Kirk Hinrich, was not full of egos or agendas. They played hard, took no one for granted, acted professionally and maturely.

But they still lost.

No, there was no Kobe Bryant on hand, and he might have made the difference. So would a pure shooter, a true big man, and another week to get comfortable with who does what on a pick and roll. And a coach with experience and knowledge that corresponded to the job at hand; Mike Krzyzewski coaches a mean college game and can shill cars and credit cards with the best of them, but his understanding of NBA players and international play is limited.

Plus, we've already been reminded, this is a three-year process, building toward Beijing in 2008. Except that the point this time was to get there without a side trip to the qualifying tournament next summer. Oops.

Still, what the U.S. rolled out seemed plenty good enough to win. It won fairly easily in the bronze game over the Argentine team that had whipped it in previous Olympics and world championships. Yet it couldn't handle Greece.

That all makes the problems even worse.

The next step toward getting the system in order means a step away from the way things used to be - like the old system of sending college players. Don't even get wise and try to suggest that, unless you're all right with finishing last. That train done left the station.

But a similar massive shift is needed.

Such as: Create a permanent national team. Assign a permanent national coach, with permanent national scouts. Keep a pool of 30 or so players of all ages and levels on hand and groom them through various international competitions. Maintain that three-year commitment between Olympiads, during the offseasons, and at times in-season as well (in other words, work it into the schedule and have players leave their teams if necessary).

And ...

Trim the NBA regular-season schedule down to 70 games, maybe fewer. Cut the preseason schedule in half, to four games. Compact the playoffs somehow: Return to at least one best-of-five round, or even reduce the number of playoff teams from 16 to 12.

Yes, that massive.

That is the only way players will have enough time to devote to the national program and save their bodies, which desperately need the offseason to heal.

It's also the only way the national program can prepare for opponents and get a chance to get used to playing with each other, to install strategy, to establish a style - to form a team.

Granted, it means the NBA, its owners, the players and networks give up tons of money, and fans have the season and their teams twisted inside out - with the possibility of, say, Kobe leaving the Lakers for a week just when playoff seeding is on the line.

Everybody will hate it. Unless it assures that the United States reclaims its rightful place in the basketball universe.

Maybe even if it does.

It's up to you. Can you live with the NBA being turned upside down every single year, for a shot at gold every four?

Or do you want the schedule left as is, the players and teams kept intact to battle for your and your city's honor in the playoffs, justifying your financial and emotional investment - while the Americans' Olympic hopes stay perpetually up in the air?

It's a tough one. A lot tougher than sitting at home griping about those lazy, greedy, unpatriotic pros every other year.
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Postby low on Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:26 am

usa need to keep a some of the players together for some time between other things.u can't build chemistry just like that.

They can add whoever they want in the roster but they should make sure that 4-5 players from this team stay.Other teams have almost the same roster for 3,4 years.That's why they look more like a team than team usa.They had a core.
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Postby ladam24 on Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:21 am

^^ I agree. I think it's safe to say that they will keep this core. I mean, they can't really cut players like Paul, Melo, Wade, Bron, Howard and they'll have Kobe.
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Postby Startrex on Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:18 am

Having Kobe would certainly alter the whole thing. It's well known that:

1. Kobe is selfish.
2. Kobe cannot mix with teammates.
3. Kobe is a loner.
4. Kobe cant be coached.
5. Kobe does not have social life.
6. Kobe without Shaq is just like Penny.
7. Kobe thinks only about winning by himself.
8. Kobe never wins championships.
0. Kobe is a ballhog.

I hope Kobe does not join US olympic team. He alone might score 90 points and certainly will reveal to the world that he is a true ballhog. He would give the world the wrong impression. Besides, why change the winning team that has followed Lebron's lead to the LeBronze Medal game? We dont need Kobe. Kobe is only good for Lakers.

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Postby westcoast21 on Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:24 am

since kobe is now #24, does anyone see Kobe possibly wearing #8 on team USA?
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Postby Showtime_Magic32 on Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:28 pm

WestCoast21 wrote:since kobe is now #24, does anyone see Kobe possibly wearing #8 on team USA?


I think he will wear #8 for team USA.
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