Wade or LeBron one has to go off USA team

Who would you take off the team?

Wade
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Bron
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Wade or LeBron one has to go off USA team

Postby TXLAKERFAN on Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:20 am

******This is not directly about the World Championships alone this is more about the current team and the future.******


I know some of you will come in here based on title alone and call me a hater. But these two guys game are too alike and it does not transcend well in International play. My vote goes to Lebron staying and Wade leaving. I vote for Lebron mainly because he is bigger and stronger player and can hit the occasional jumpshot and he does not travel as much as Wade does. Yes I know Wade average 20pts a game but we all saw those games we know how the points came about. Don't get me wrong both of these guys are awesome players but its obvious that they both rely more on athletic ability more than actual skill. Melo has shown he has more basketball skills than the both of them. Which one of these players would you kick off to make room for a Micheal Redd, Ray Allen type player.
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Postby Lord Johnny on Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:22 am

not gonna happen they are both going to stay and if they do team usa will comtinue to suck.
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Postby Real Deal on Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:36 am

Replace Wade with Redd. Wade turns the ball over countless times, can't dunk anymore, and he can't defend anyone at all. The refs actually call traveling on his crossover, yet the NBA does it with Iverson, and lets Wade get away with it.
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Postby scheven on Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:43 am

Real Deal wrote:Replace Wade with Redd. Wade turns the ball over countless times, can't dunk anymore, and he can't defend anyone at all.

wade has gone fat over the summer :freak2:
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Postby Iceberg Slim on Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:54 am

Real Deal wrote:Replace Wade with Redd. Wade turns the ball over countless times, can't dunk anymore, and he can't defend anyone at all.



Wade can't dunk anymore... :man3:
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Postby shoe on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:01 pm

take off wade

all he does is turn it over

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atleast lebron is a playmaker and a better shooter
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Postby shoe on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:01 pm

Iceberg Slim wrote:
Real Deal wrote:Replace Wade with Redd. Wade turns the ball over countless times, can't dunk anymore, and he can't defend anyone at all.



Wade can't dunk anymore... :man3:



he missed 3 dunks today
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Postby halekulani on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:04 pm

bron.

he's good in the nba, not good for international ball.
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Postby Satan on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:05 pm

I don't feel it hurts us having both on the team, especially with Wade coming off the bench like he's been. They have different skills sets, different physical tools, they're different players.
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Postby TXLAKERFAN on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:18 pm

Satan wrote:I don't feel it hurts us having both on the team, especially with Wade coming off the bench like he's been. They have different skills sets, different physical tools, they're different players.



They both score the majority of there points driving to the basket and either making an athletic play to score or getting bailed out by fouls. Well that doesn't work to well in International play.
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Postby bb7793 on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:19 pm

scheven wrote:
Real Deal wrote:Replace Wade with Redd. Wade turns the ball over countless times, can't dunk anymore, and he can't defend anyone at all.

wade has gone fat over the summer :freak2:


I was thinking of exchanging redd for Wade as well. If Wade played the point more I would keep him, but no. Redd is the shooter we need. Him or Arenas. Plus they actually play defense from time to time. Wade picks is times to play defense and it is usually someone elses great defenseive play that makes him look good. We need more scoring from inside as well.
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Postby Laker4Ever on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:20 pm

Three words...Duncan, Bryant, Shaq. Unless we would've seen those three laced up and stepping on the court, we were gonna be hard pressed to win this thing. Regardless if you take Wade or Lebron off or not.
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Postby slimjim on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:25 pm

when we are looking for a shooter... why does everyone say redd.

wouldn't ray allen be the best option?

the dude is money.

redd is the worst defensive PG statistically according to 82games

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Postby no_dont on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:45 pm

Both guys went through the motions without the ball. Melo was the man. They both should go. Its a physical game and their games arent condusive to that style. Plus they dont get the ticky tacks they get here so as we all saw they are FAR less effective. Thank god for them the NBA is more about marketing than it is actual playing
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Postby scheven on Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:51 pm

i wouldn't say cut, just less minutes
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Postby nameant on Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:43 pm

I'd say keep Bron. play him at the point or at the SF with Kobe at SG. neither Bron nor Wade is a great shooter but Bron has more range. when Kobe is available for the olympics Wade wont really be needed unless he played point, but I think Hinrich or Paul is just a better fit at PG around the other guys.

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Postby 21_Blessings on Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:50 pm

Satan wrote:I don't feel it hurts us having both on the team, especially with Wade coming off the bench like he's been. They have different skills sets, different physical tools, they're different players.


Unfortunetly, Wade's skillset is worthless in FIBA. All he is ever does is drive into 5 defenders expecting to get the foul call, even though his teammates are wide open.

That works in David Stern's league, but not in Euro ball.
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Postby Real Deal on Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:39 pm

slimjim wrote:when we are looking for a shooter... why does everyone say redd.

wouldn't ray allen be the best option?

the dude is money.

redd is the worst defensive PG statistically according to 82games

http://www.82games.com/rosenbaum3.htm

82games is trash. They can explain to me how those 10 SG's are better than Bryant, defensively...and then I'll start reading their statistical theories. Go through their list of defensive centers, and you see Tractor Traylor over Curry and Nazr, who suck defensively, but not that badly. Raja Bell is near the bottom of the SG's...but he's always jocked as being a heck of a defender any other day of the week.

Ray Allen is the one who can't defend. Plus, he's only good at one thing, and that's shooting. I want someone who can at least do something else. Redd won't stand at the three all game long.
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Postby Satan on Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:40 pm

When the US tries to play iso in international ball, yes, Wade and LeBron will struggle. I don't know if the coach isn't calling plays or the players are ignoring them. If we were maintaining spacing, passing the ball well and moving without the ball, Wade's skill set would be better used.

Or if we had Shaq on the team getting everyone's attention, the same way Wade succeeds in the NBA.
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Postby no_dont on Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:47 pm

I bet the Lakers could win. LO for all his lazy arse excuses plays pretty well over there. Kwame would dwarf the building. Kobe is just ill
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Postby crucifido on Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:07 pm

Defense goes a long way in basketball doesn't it?

I think Wade still has massive strides in his game left to accomplish. I'm not saying the kid can't do it, but his overall game is just ridiculously overrated right now.

A player that only plays efficient offense only plays 50% of the game - last time I checked that's a pretty dang incomplete player.

Also, if the USA had any size of significance on this team, things would be a lot easier against the amount of zones thrown at them in international ball.
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Postby saint091 on Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:14 pm

crucifido wrote:Defense goes a long way in basketball doesn't it?

I think Wade still has massive strides in his game left to accomplish. I'm nott saying the kid can't do it. but his overall game is jusr ridiculously overrated right now.
A player that only plays efficient offense only plays 50% of the game - last time I checked that's a pretty dang incomplete player.

Also, if the USA had any size of significance on this team, things would be a lot easier against the amount of zones thrown at them in international ball.


Agreed. And the media doesn't let up either.
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Postby gcclaker on Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:18 pm

Well...Wade has a decent enough outside shot, weak passer, drives well but still isn't a good on ball defender. James is a good passer with very good court vision, spotty outside shooter, drives well and is an atrocious one on one defender. It's really a tough choice who to take out... On the break, James is better with his ballhandling. If I had to choose, I'd take Wade out.
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Postby LukeWalton on Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:34 pm

Neither are going anywhere. Their both the face of Team USA right now.
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Postby crucifido on Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:49 pm

And a pretty beaten up face it is right now.
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