Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby odom1year on Sun May 27, 2012 6:45 am

Kobe won't win again if below problem is not fixed.

Dominating and shooting the ball most of the time in 4th quarter. All of his teammates are being out of rhythm from standing around the court and are afraid to the correct things that usually do in 1st 3 quarters.

For example: Game 4 vs Thunders !

Kobe has dominated and shot the ball most of the time in 4th quarter. In the most important time (last min/seconds), he PASSED. Unfortunately, Pau is the victim. If you are Pau, you must be nervous and embarrassed at that moment. As nature, Pau definitely won't shoot or is afraid of taking shot at that possesion. Pau passed...and Lakers lost as a result.
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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby Doc Brown on Sun May 27, 2012 6:46 am

If we want a thread for blaming Kobe, we should just set up a link to your post history.
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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby odom1year on Sun May 27, 2012 7:00 am

Doc Brown wrote:If we want a thread for blaming Kobe, we should just set up a link to your post history.


Kobe killed our winning chance in Game 2 & 4 by his own. He has to fix his game. Game 5 is a great game for him. But 33 shots and zero assist must not a good sign, we need to go through league's best twin towers more.
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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby cthroatgtr on Sun May 27, 2012 7:13 am

Kobe has played the same way for 16 seasons...c'mon he isn't changing nor was it his fault. Guys didn't want the ball. If guys don't want to shoot Kobe will. What you need is Bynum doing a better job holding his position. A point guard that ACTUALLY runs the offense...and ACTUAL offensive system...and guys like Pau not afraid to shoot. I am so tired of "why didn't they get the ball inside." They didn't because Perkins pushed Bynum off the block and/or fronted him and they couldn't figure out how to adjust. So many plays started on the strong side with Bynum as the primary guy and then ended up moving it over to the weak side because Bynum wasn't open.

For some strange reason people think Kobe will suddenly morph into Magic Johnson after 16 seasons. He has NEVER played with a legitimate PG other than perhaps his rookie year with Van Exel. He is a SG/scorer and an aggressive one. Kobe has no issue with guys shooting. What he usually has an issue is guys NOT shooting.

Yes Kobe did a bone head play passing the ball to Durant on the inbounds play...just like Pau did a bonehead play passing to Durant instead of shooting or passing to Bynum. Lakers real issues are no spacing, no foot speed, no sense of a system on offense. Perhaps its due to no off season. Perhaps Brown can't coach. What I really believe is Bynum or Gasol one has to go it hasn't worked for 2 years with 2 different coaches. Last year Kobe wasn't right and took a lot less shots and it didn't work then either. It didn't work because they are big, slow, lack shooting, spacing and athleticism.

I'll take the overly aggressive guy that tries (Kobe) over the lazy pouting child (Bynum) any day.
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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby cthroatgtr on Sun May 27, 2012 7:16 am

odom1year wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:If we want a thread for blaming Kobe, we should just set up a link to your post history.


Kobe killed our winning chance in Game 2 & 4 by his own. He has to fix his game. Game 5 is a great game for him. But 33 shots and zero assist must not a good sign, we need to go through league's best twin towers more.


Twin towers doesn't work. Didn't last year. Didn't this year. As Bynum's minutes have gone up Pau has slowly disappeared. In fact go back through history and find twin towers that worked. Very few if any. Most notable was Duncan/Robinson but only after Robinson focused on defense only and Duncan became the primary focus on offense. Maybe you could include Boston Celtics of Bird, McHale and Parish but that was before the zone was allowed. Heck Houston tried it with Olajawon and Sampson and eventually dumped Sampson before they won a ring. People need to give up the concept of twin towers the sample size proves it doesn't work.
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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby odom1year on Sun May 27, 2012 7:39 am

Hi cthroatgtr,

Kobe is not young anymore. He has change his offensive game. He has to rely more on his teammates. Kobe is very lucky that to have two great big men. One is dominating inside and one is a decent jumper. If Lebron or Durant has both of them, title is guaranteed. We have to use them more in offense, I believe their defensive game will be upgraded as a result. What I heard from them are: not getting enough touches, not getting enough shots, not getting involve in offensive plan...Twin Towers not working !? How about Twin Towers plus Kobe ? Regarding Lakers 4th quarter gameplan, Bynum and Gasol are just role players. Lakers are one man game only. That's the season why we lost this year.
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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby BadCoaching on Sun May 27, 2012 7:42 am

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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun May 27, 2012 8:50 am

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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby R24ADY on Sun May 27, 2012 9:00 am

Kobe shoots too much because his teammates hesitates. Pau hesitates to shoot during the series. Remember the Denver series, Kobe openly critize him after game 6 loss. He worked hard on the deciding game. Kobe should not critize him all the time, he is a grown man. In Bynum's case, he doesn't position well and very prone to double team by the opponent. Kobe always blamed by haters, let's think if Kobe on the bench and the lead disappears easily. We need another score in the team.
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"It's something that I'm going to keep in mind all year long until we get there again," Gasol said.
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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby JGC on Sun May 27, 2012 9:14 am

Why not use the Kobe Bryant Discussion thread?
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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby LakRfAn on Sun May 27, 2012 9:26 am

Two comments:

1. The OP is right about players not being ready to shoot when they haven't gotten the ball for some time. You need to touch the ball to be in rhythm

2. How is it that year after year, Kobe is the only superstar in the league surrounded by players who "don't want the ball"? At some point don't you have to start wondering if Kobe has something to do with that?
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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby Congo Cash on Sun May 27, 2012 9:36 am

Duncan/Robinson worked because both of them has a jumpshot, both are capable passer, and they are surrounded with perimeter players... Same with Bird/McHale/Parish... They also don't have a problem with PnR defense...

4 out of 5 of the Lakers starters are post players, the spacing is freaking bad and no one can shoot 3s... Bynum/Gasol are both post player so there is no room to operate... They are both slow, so opponents just PnR them all day...

Getting the ball inside 24/7 doesn't work, especially during crunch time...
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Re: Can we have a thread for Blaming Kobe ?

Postby karacha on Sun May 27, 2012 9:48 am

No. There is a Kobe thread open for praise and criticism. Here:

http://www.clublakers.com/lakers-discussion/kobe-bryant-discussion-t106015.html

It has over 300 pages. Enjoy.
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