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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby GoldenKnight on Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:31 am

Howard will return better than ever & our team will be more focused knowing it wasn't as easy as they thought it would be. Its just a matter of how Kobe comes back & when. I really believe if he takes a little longer to come back that this will be the season where he will no longer be the number 1 option. Hopefully we can trade Pau for some pieces/shooters. I still believe in this core especially with the 27-11 reg season finish, that's still not including the full squad.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby abeer3 on Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:58 am

I know it's been discussed to death, but the latest cap figures have Houston being pretty far short of Dwight's max. this means they absolutely have to move Thomas robinson for basically zero salary in return, unless they want to move asik for partial relief (and likely little talent).

in other words, all this talk about them being able to pay howard more than la after taxes requires some teams cooperating with them, and fast. also, the talk about them getting another big name FA seems like rocket fan fantasy. it would involve some team taking on lin (who's overpaid) as part of a package in return for said big name FA. I don't see it.

no one can know Dwight's mind, but we can know the numbers in advance. they don't favor Houston (or anyone but la), imo, despite the media's all-out marketing campaign over the past few weeks.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Center Court on Sat Jun 08, 2013 1:58 pm

abeer3 wrote:I know it's been discussed to death, but the latest cap figures have Houston being pretty far short of Dwight's max. this means they absolutely have to move Thomas robinson for basically zero salary in return, unless they want to move asik for partial relief (and likely little talent).

in other words, all this talk about them being able to pay howard more than la after taxes requires some teams cooperating with them, and fast. also, the talk about them getting another big name FA seems like rocket fan fantasy. it would involve some team taking on lin (who's overpaid) as part of a package in return for said big name FA. I don't see it.

no one can know Dwight's mind, but we can know the numbers in advance. they don't favor Houston (or anyone but la), imo, despite the media's all-out marketing campaign over the past few weeks.



that is not hard at all. Miami did it with Beasley.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:31 pm

^^^ if Howard tips his hand they will dump the salary in a day is my guess..... It's probably ready to go now.... Just waiting for the season to end.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby abeer3 on Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:43 pm

no reason to wait for the season to end. if they were positive Dwight was signing there, robinson could be gone. the issue is that FA has to open first. if i'm a team with space, do I eat it up on robinson before I take a swing at proven players?

if I were a team negotiating with them, i'd hold them over the barrel, so to speak. without moving him, they can't even make a suitable offer. they're the desperate ones, here. the gm that folds (meaning that takes Robinson without any sweetener or worse, gives up something of value for him) should be fired, imo. just like kahn was in minny.

i'm just saying that clearing the space for a max player isn't as simple as the fans/media are making it, and it requires the cooperation of others for Houston to even get Dwight, much less get Dwight plus other players.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:03 pm

Dwight sorta on Jeopardy... :man10:

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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby lakersyunowin on Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:25 pm

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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:35 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:Dwight sorta on Jeopardy... :man10:




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Dwight May View 4-Year Deal As Beneficial

Postby Kobe8Fan on Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:51 am

Dwight May View 4-Year Deal As Beneficial

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Dwight Howard is open to signing a four-year deal this offseason, though he could sign for as many as five seasons with the Los Angeles Lakers.

Howard is keen on becoming a free agent again to coincide with the NBA's new national television deals and potentially a new collective bargaining agreement.

Howard figures to have two more max contract deals in his career.


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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby abeer3 on Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:00 pm

good news: only three more weeks of this stuff!
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Re: Dwight May View 4-Year Deal As Beneficial

Postby noobiew on Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:11 pm

Kobe8Fan wrote:
Dwight May View 4-Year Deal As Beneficial

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Dwight Howard is open to signing a four-year deal this offseason, though he could sign for as many as five seasons with the Los Angeles Lakers.

Howard is keen on becoming a free agent again to coincide with the NBA's new national television deals and potentially a new collective bargaining agreement.

Howard figures to have two more max contract deals in his career.


http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2 ... -and-paul/


Okay, if Dwight preferring a 4 yrs over a 5 yrs contract then good, no big deal for me, we will just offered him a 4 yrs deal then.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:21 pm

abeer3 wrote:good news: only three more weeks of this stuff!

you kidding..... :man10: I laugh at anyone who thinks that this ordeal will be over on July 1st. July 1st is when D12 can start meeting with other teams. Not D12's fault because he has the right to explore other options and then Mitch, Kobe, and Company will hopefully be the last to meet with him to close a deal. My best estimate/guess when this will be over is July 15th-20th
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:27 pm

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Re: Dwight May View 4-Year Deal As Beneficial

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:02 pm

Kobe8Fan wrote:
Dwight May View 4-Year Deal As Beneficial

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Dwight Howard is open to signing a four-year deal this offseason, though he could sign for as many as five seasons with the Los Angeles Lakers.

Howard is keen on becoming a free agent again to coincide with the NBA's new national television deals and potentially a new collective bargaining agreement.

Howard figures to have two more max contract deals in his career.


http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2 ... -and-paul/

There are still advantages to signing with us. Other teams with the cap space can offer him a 4 year max contract with 4.5% annual raises.. We can offer a 5 year max contract with 7.5% raises. We can offer the 5th year as a player option, so if he's still playing like a max guy in 4 years he can opt out & get his extension.. If he's declining or not healthy, he can opt in & steal 30M from us in that 5th season. That's quite a chunk of security that noone else can offer in an occupation that's so dependent on being at your physical peak.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:29 am

That logic is just absolutely idiotic.

1. A person coming off of a major injury doesn't usually view one extra year of guaranteed max money as something to scoff at simply so that they can sign another max contract after 4 years. It's not about whether or not they get two max deals, it's about guaranteed money. That's an extra year of guaranteed money for a guy who might have back problems/shoulder problems the rest of his career.

1. If that "four idea" really appeals to him, WE CAN DO THAT TOO. :man10: We can offer him the same 4 year deal as any other team but with a greater percentage increase every year. I don't know why everyone keeps looking at that like we're going to lose him because other teams can offer this crazy four year deal that we can't compete with. We can offer him a BETTER four year deal and we can OPTION the 5th year! That way if he feels like getting another max deal (if he's worth it at that point) in four years he can do it! It's ridiculous!

State income tax assistance will help alleviate SOME of the advantage that LA has monetarily, but not all of it. Not to mention, that state income tax will have to off-set everything else that's great about Los Angeles in comparison to... Houston.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:58 am

therealdeal wrote:That logic is just absolutely idiotic.

1. A person coming off of a major injury doesn't usually view one extra year of guaranteed max money as something to scoff at simply so that they can sign another max contract after 4 years. It's not about whether or not they get two max deals, it's about guaranteed money. That's an extra year of guaranteed money for a guy who might have back problems/shoulder problems the rest of his career.

1. If that "four idea" really appeals to him, WE CAN DO THAT TOO. :man10: We can offer him the same 4 year deal as any other team but with a greater percentage increase every year. I don't know why everyone keeps looking at that like we're going to lose him because other teams can offer this crazy four year deal that we can't compete with. We can offer him a BETTER four year deal and we can OPTION the 5th year! That way if he feels like getting another max deal (if he's worth it at that point) in four years he can do it! It's ridiculous!

State income tax assistance will help alleviate SOME of the advantage that LA has monetarily, but not all of it. Not to mention, that state income tax will have to off-set everything else that's great about Los Angeles in comparison to... Houston.

Just the media doing what they do.. Find a plausible explanation that most casual fans will fall for, turn it into a story.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby JSM on Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:37 pm

Sam Amico of Fox Sports wrote: Additionally, sources said the Atlanta Hawks are in a holding pattern when it comes to center and potential trade chip Al Horford. Hawks GM Danny Ferry is preparing to make an all-out pitch in free agency to Dwight Howard of the Los Angeles Lakers. Howard is an unrestricted free agent who has indicated he’ll test the market in July.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby abeer3 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:08 pm

Houston and Atlanta busted for tampering...too bad the rule has no teeth. i'd love to see them out of the race due to their own hubris.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:41 pm

abeer3 wrote:Houston and Atlanta busted for tampering...too bad the rule has no teeth. i'd love to see them out of the race due to their own hubris.

You'd think that would be the rule: if you tamper, you're automatically kicked out of the running. That'd end that s*** really quick.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby abeer3 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:49 pm

too hard to enforce/interpret. as a fan of a team who has a lot to lose via the obvious tampering, though, I am certainly annoyed.

I can only hope the lakers get to return the favor in the future.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:49 pm

Likely just a fine but there's a chance they could also lose their draft picks. I'm hoping the 3rd team is Dallas & they all lose their picks. Would really limit Dallas & Houston's options for creating space.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby noobiew on Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:09 pm

Hopefully Rockets and Hawks lose all their draft picks to us, that would be hilarious. :man1:
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby XXIV on Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:25 pm

I'm aware of the Hawks tampering, but what did Houston do?
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:58 pm

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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby abeer3 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:06 pm

hopefully, he's challenging his manhood regarding turning tail and running to Houston.
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