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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:34 am

abeer3 wrote:i've been saying since day 1 that amidst all the fawning over houston, atlanta was the biggest threat, imo. IF paul and howard want to play together, atlanta can make that happen far more easily than any other team. and they can do so while retaining horford.

the clippers/lakers trade stuff is garbage, though. don't see either team going for the proposed deal.

anyway, as i said before, the more teams that enter serious consideration, the better la's chances are to keep howard, imo. i'll be much more concerned if he only takes meetings with the lakers and one other team than if he takes meetings with seven teams.


^^ Very true about Atlanta as you said abeer3. The good news is that so far neither one of them seems to want to actually play or live there.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:42 am

But what guarantee does CP3 have that Mitch doesn't find a deal he likes for Pau this season instead of waiting for cap space? He could give up financial security & still not get to team up with D12. That coupled with the injury risk, I don't know.. There's no way we can actually make this happen without some serious tampering.. But WOW would it be amazing if that's how it played out. CP3, 24, D12 would be absolutely incredible to watch.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Center Court on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:45 am

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therealdeal wrote:Here's the Laker pitch for Paul/Howard in the future by the way:

"Hey Dwight stay here. In 2014 we'll go get anyone you want with any assets we can. We can take on someone like Love from Minnesota in a flash because we can take him for a TPE if he demands out. We can get Paul if he demands a trade. We can sign LeBron outright if he opts out. We have ALL the options."

I think that's a good pitch.



^^ I do, too. I think there may need to be a coach discussion involved as well, though. MDA isn't going to lead anyone anywhere and Howard already has beef with him. This isn't an attempt to derail this discussion into a Fire MDA discussion at all which basically has its own thread. Just a note that personnel change isn't the only thing they need to sell to him. He's going to have to buy into the system and I think his dislike for MDA and his system will also be in play in any re-signing pitch. They are going to have to address that this summer no matter what - they either have to have him say he's ok with D' Antoni or if they are willing to capitulate then they need to get someone else that he will sign off on. To just act like he doesn't have any say in the matter or shouldn't have any say in the matter I don't think is going to work out. But, hey, what do I know?


I was going to play devils advocate as well.

"Hey Mitch, I want to be a Laker. I think Kobe is an all time great, we have a really good core, and I love the city and want to retire a Laker one day. My problem is THIS year. I'm in my prime and will finally be 100% again. I want to compete for a ring now. I know you can pull off smaller moves to make us deeper/more atheltic, but what about our direction. We have a core that is meant to play through the post yet we have a coach that wants us to jack up 3's. I want to post up and dominate. Pau can do the same. Kobe knows how to play off a big man. I like the future, but what about now? I don't like running full springs up and down the court to block shots/rebound the missed shots we are jacking up."
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby The Laker Link on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:49 am

Ok, let's say in a hypothetical sense......Dwight leaves. You probably keep Pau, to be your center, sign whoever you can and hope for the best, right? Probably works out, though I kind of doubt it. At this point, next year.....NOBODY is on your roster but Nash, which might not even be a guarantee. Maybe Kobe for a year IF HE FEELS LIKE IT, so then you have to sign people. Outside of maybe LeBron and Melo, is there a list of people that you could easily sign to make the team an instant contender like the Heat did? And if D'Antoni is your coach, you kind of have to get players that work in his system. THAT SEEMS LIKE A BIG FEAT TO ME. I'd rather have some stability and at least make the place seem somewhat appealing. THATS kind of why I hope Dwight re-signs as I think of everything.

It doesn't seem like a lot of good will come from Dwight leaving. If you want to tank for Wiggins or Jabari, which is no guarantee either, but then how does any of them appeal to the free agents.

We're a bit SCREWED if Dwight leaves.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:57 am

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therealdeal wrote:^ Yes he could sign a one-year contract with the Clippers if he wanted to that amounts to about 19.5 million or so.

My scenario a while ago was for him to do that: sign a one year deal with a player optioned second. It's the only way I'd stay with the Clippers if I were him. It would FORCE them to continue being competitive or risk losing me to free agency.

In that scenario, he stays with the Clippers for a year and if they struggle again in the playoffs, he moves on and comes to the Lakers.

Either scenario is unlikely, but possible. I feel like if Paul were to take that 19.5 million he wouldn't stop there, he'd just take his giant contract. But that's just my opinion.

I don't see it.. CP3 is too injury prone to risk that. He's going to want atleast 3 years guaranteed this offseason.

I agree. I didn't say either scenario was likely, but if I were Paul that's what I would do. He's supposedly the greatest competitor in the sport today. Well then why give 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 years of my life, the prime of my career, to a team that's shown OVER and OVER again that they aren't willing to do what it takes to build a Champion?


^^ I'm with you realdeal. If I were Paul I'd sign with the Paper Clips for two years with a player option on the second. That gets him paid in full with a chance to sign in LA and team up with Dwight the next year. No way in hell I would stick with Sterling and his cheesy ways for longer than that. Even with his injury history there's no reason to stay with an owner you hate longer than need be. 19 million next year is large money. Get paid, but keep your options open. The Paper Clips would have no real choice but to take that deal - he holds the cards because he can just bail and leave them with nothing in return and looking like idiots for chasing off the best player they've ever had. At least they would get one more chance with him.

Exactly. There's two things at play here and it's clear what they are: winning and money.

Most players say they're about winning, but will sign the largest contract the moment they get the opportunity. Paul is clearly a very wealthy man. His injuries aren't anything to scoff at though and it's hard to turn down that kind of money. He'd be kicking himself for a long time if he gave up guaranteed 60 million dollars or something like that.

But mentally he'd be kicking himself forever if he took that contract and then never won a ring because of it. This is the PRIME of your career. Do you want to waste ALL of it in a situation you can't trust? I know I wouldn't. Same goes for Howard which is why if I'm the Lakers I try to put on a great face and pretend the family is all lovely.

As for your coaching point, here's my retort if I'm Mitch:
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby abeer3 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:58 am

the lakers pitch to dwight has to be that, long term, you bet on the lakers over teams like houston and atlanta. yes, yes, jim buss and all, but still...the lakers haven't moved out of los angeles, which is really a huge part of it. if any team is going to lure FAs, it's the lakers.

i'd put it to dwight this way: if you're so enamored with playing next to james harden in houston, imagine how enamored guys might be to play next to you in la next summer? go to battle with the same squad that got decimated by injuries last year in the hopes that you build on the latter half of the season, and if it doesn't work, we can start over. quickly and easily. if things don't work out in houston...you're kinda stuck.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby The Laker Link on Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:57 pm

The other feeling I'm getting is that Dwight reall is just looking to play his low post game in a situation that wins him a ring, I feel like he's basically, without saying it, putting a gun to the Laker's collective heads and trying to get them to get rid of D'Antoni and sign a coach that DOES play that way. As well as add other nice little talent to the team.

He is naming teams that kind of play low post and have a chance to win, I feel like he's trying to twist someone's arm to make it so he can stay in LA.

Maybe that's me but still.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby DirtySoap on Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:08 pm

If the Clippers' rumor is true, Dwight for a package including Griffin and Bledsoe definitely works to me. We get younger, vastly more athletic, and we rid ourselves of the headache that has been D-12. Bledsoe being groomed next to Nash, could turn him into an All-NBA caliber player. Griffin next to Pau doesn't look too shabby either. Would love to see this trade happen, even if it does seem unlikely for the Lakers and Clippers to ever swap superstars.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:10 pm

Again, I know all these rumors are going to come out, people will post the stuff, and fans/haters will react.....that's fine.

But I don't believe all this stuff for a second. It's been a little bit since we've heard anything from the Dwight media "sogga" so why not create news and make a story where D12 could end up with the Clippers via a FA signing or trade.

Unless news comes from Mitch (Lakers FO) or Dwight himself we shouldn't believe a thing espn puts out, ESPECIALLY when the time Dwight can start meeting with other teams and start talking with us (July 1st) hasn't even come yet.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:13 pm

DirtySoap wrote:If the Clippers' rumor is true, Dwight for a package including Griffin and Bledsoe definitely works to me. We get younger, vastly more athletic, and we rid ourselves of the headache that has been D-12. Bledsoe being groomed next to Nash, could turn him into an All-NBA caliber player. Griffin next to Pau doesn't look too shabby either. Would love to see this trade happen, even if it does seem unlikely for the Lakers and Clippers to ever swap superstars.



When looking at the total package both D12 and Blake bring to the table, Blake isn't half the player Dwight is especially if they both are close to 100% which both will be this upcoming year. Even if you add Bledsoe, that's such a rotten deal for the Lakers.

Even if we were entertaining a sign and trade with Dwight to another team we could get so much more in return than an those (2) guys.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:32 pm

I didn't think we could send out a player in a sign and trade...... And if we could it better not be for Biff, I couldn't think of a more overrated clown.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: Kobe wants the final word (pg 1007)

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:39 pm

Amoray wrote:If I were Lakers FO decision maker, I would have amnest Kobe to come back next year if he wants and bring cp3 and D12. For those of you in love with Kobe for life ask him to marry you, that is the only way you can fulfill your inside personal love with Kobe not the Lakers team.


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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:44 pm

^And ones close to the situation too
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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby Weezy on Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:54 pm

Anyone who wants Blake Griffin for Dwight, take a look at Blake's playoff numbers compared to his regular season numbers. Sure he was "injured" this season, but that happens to high fly acts. His scoring and rebounding dive in the playoffs, that's not a player I want. I don't even like Dwight, but Dwight is a better player, by in my opinion quite a bit in some major areas. Also, the Lakers are not giving the Clippers Dwight to pair with cp3, they're just not, they're going to do all it takes to keep him not give him to the team across the hall. It would take more than Blake and Bledsoe to get Dwight if you ask me.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby S.R.05 on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:02 pm

do not want

trading dwight for griffin would leave us with potentially one of the worst defensive starting 5's i can think of in recent history
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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby charvin on Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:50 pm

Text away fellas, both of you will take a massive paycut to stay and come to the Lakers :man10:
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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:35 am

Los Angeles Lakers center Dwight Howard might want to sign with another team this offseason, but the Lakers have no intention of moving him in a sign-and-trade, according to Lakers Nation's Mark Heisler.

The Lakers hope to re-sign Howard, but if he decides to bolt, they will apparently be fine with banking the nearly $50 million in salary and luxury tax savings. Los Angeles would then have even more cap space available for the free agent class of 2014 that could include LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony among other stars.

If the Lakers are truly unwilling to sign-and-trade Howard, that eliminates the already highly unlikely scenario of the big man and Chris Paul teaming up with the Clippers -- which is apparently the preferred option for the two superstars. For that pairing to happen with the Clippers, the belief is that Howard would have to be signed-and-traded for Blake Griffin. And as it stands, however, neither team seems very interested in executing such a deal.
More: Lakers blog Silver Screen and Roll on Howard and Paul report

The Lakers' opposition against a sign-and-trade would also hurt the Houston Rockets' chances of teaming up Howard and Paul. The Rockets are already trying to open up max salary space for a run at Howard, but it would only be feasible to make a run at both if they were able to deal the combined $16.8 million owed to Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin.

The Lakers have no interest in taking on that salary, however, as they'd reportedly rather save the money and pay for a more impactful player down the line.


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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby borri on Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:46 am

Showtime.Revival.05 wrote:do not want

trading dwight for griffin would leave us with potentially one of the worst defensive starting 5's i can think of in recent history


Well, that happens when you are forced to play Pau at the 5.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby Pig Miller on Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:07 pm

i would take griffin, bledsoe, and a 1st rounder for dwight. but the caveat being i'd need a deal in place to move griffin.

i'd guess that you could score a nice deal for griffin just based on name alone. you can also take the opportunity to move the nash contract as well.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby Weezy on Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:19 pm

I like the idea of being fine with letting him walk if he doesn't want to be here. If he walks it means he couldn't hack it in LA, and we have all that money off the books going forward to move on. You don't trade him to the team in your building or gift him to Houston so they can team up Paul and Howard.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:34 pm

Weezy wrote:I like the idea of being fine with letting him walk if he doesn't want to be here. If he walks it means he couldn't hack it in LA, and we have all that money off the books going forward to move on. You don't trade him to the team in your building or gift him to Houston so they can team up Paul and Howard.


Exactly. I have an issue with a #1 guy who would rather go somewhere else to "join forces" than to bring people to his team.
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Re: Dwight Discussion: CP3 - D12 texting the night away (1009)

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:55 pm

Pig Miller wrote:i would take griffin, bledsoe, and a 1st rounder for dwight. but the caveat being i'd need a deal in place to move griffin.

i'd guess that you could score a nice deal for griffin just based on name alone. you can also take the opportunity to move the nash contract as well.

I like the idea another poster suggested where we demand Deandre too, so that we can flip him & Bledsoe for KG. I don't mind Blake as much next to a defender like KG. Could we package Nash with Griffin & get a star PG & some good pieces? Maybe Lawson & some of Denver's depth. In my dream scenario we flip Blake & Nash for Curry & Barnes. Pierce signs with us after the buyout, D'antoni & Doc work together like they were with team USA.

Curry/Blake
24/Meeks
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Pau/Clark
KG/Hill

Kobe gets his 7 rings the next 2 seasons if we pull that off.
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