Deron Williams Trade Discussion (Resigning w/Brooklyn)

JGC wrote:Then I'm sure NJ would say, well, if you like Josh Smith so much then you go give ATL Pau Gasol for Josh Smith.

Kou wrote:I don't see any way of getting Deron to the Lakers without trading Bynum, which makes the whole thing pointless.

The Rock wrote:

Kou wrote:I don't see any way of getting Deron to the Lakers without trading Bynum, which makes the whole thing pointless.

Not true. Im sure they'll accomodate a trade via a 3 way deal, to his destination and get some value back

They gave up SO MUCH to the Jazz to get Deron, no way they just let him walk away

Kou wrote:

The Rock wrote:

Kou wrote:I don't see any way of getting Deron to the Lakers without trading Bynum, which makes the whole thing pointless.

Not true. Im sure they'll accomodate a trade via a 3 way deal, to his destination and get some value back

They gave up SO MUCH to the Jazz to get Deron, no way they just let him walk away

Why couldn't they just do what they did before Deron? Let him walk, tank next year, get #1 pick and use their cap space on D12/Chris Paul etc. I just don't think any team has enough to do a plausible three way that would keep NJ competitive.

The Rock wrote:The guy averages close to 19/10 and can guard from the 1 to the 4 spots. The only knock on him is he doesn't have a consistent jumper or can shoot 3s/Free throws. Hes elite in pretty much every other aspect of the game especially on defense

Doc Brown wrote:Josh Smith a top 15 player?

therealdeal wrote:

The Rock wrote:The guy averages close to 19/10 and can guard from the 1 to the 4 spots. The only knock on him is he doesn't have a consistent jumper or can shoot 3s/Free throws. Hes elite in pretty much every other aspect of the game especially on defense

The other knock is that he's not the smartest guy out there. Has been known to be a bit lazy and go for the flashy play. He's also criminally inefficient from the field.

bruddahmanmatt wrote:Josh Smith is NOT an elite player, and he is certainly NOT capable of guarding 1s and 2s. He's a good player no doubt, but his decision making is downright atrocious at times, and LOL @ talking about "defense" as being one of his strong suits. His help D is very good but his perimeter and on-ball D are average at best. He isn't horribad, but I've seen him let guys blow by him so that he can try for the block instead of moving his feet which is a big no-no.

Doc Brown wrote:Josh Smith a top 15 player?

bystander wrote:

Doc Brown wrote:Josh Smith a top 15 player?

Doc Brown wrote:Josh Smith a Top 15 player?

JUST-MING wrote:

Doc Brown wrote:Josh Smith a Top 15 player?

lakersin4 wrote:Pau's a better piece than Smith for sure, but I'd love to have his shot blocking & pick & roll D. The problem is, we're going to want Teague & that isn't going to happen. It's clear that a 1 for 1 swap isn't what the Lakers need (unless it's an amazing upgrade). We need a starting SF, a starting PF, and a backup guard.

The Rock wrote:

JGC wrote:Then I'm sure NJ would say, well, if you like Josh Smith so much then you go give ATL Pau Gasol for Josh Smith.

Brooklyn is moving to a new city and a new arena. Would they rather have

1) No Deron Williams and all cap space
2) Josh Smith

Im pretty sure they're willing to trade Deron and get some value out of it. When you build a new arena you need butts in seats, having capspace wont put butts in seats. Josh Smith is one of the most exciting players in the league and has been a borderline All star each of the last 3 years. HEs worth the $13 mil.

I didn't say those are the only pieces to the trade but that would be the core of the deal

Congo Cash wrote:I prefer a starting SF and PG who can actually shoot threes, so that there is spacing and Sessions can run with the 2nd unit because he can't play with Bynum and Gasol PERIOD... Ya, and a spark off the bench would be nice too...

Because right now 4 out 5 starters are post players, dead last in fastbreak points, and one of the worst in 3PT% if not the worst...

JGC wrote:

The Rock wrote:

JGC wrote:Then I'm sure NJ would say, well, if you like Josh Smith so much then you go give ATL Pau Gasol for Josh Smith.

Brooklyn is moving to a new city and a new arena. Would they rather have

1) No Deron Williams and all cap space
2) Josh Smith

Im pretty sure they're willing to trade Deron and get some value out of it. When you build a new arena you need butts in seats, having capspace wont put butts in seats. Josh Smith is one of the most exciting players in the league and has been a borderline All star each of the last 3 years. HEs worth the $13 mil.

I didn't say those are the only pieces to the trade but that would be the core of the deal

Ok, I see you're trying to sell folks on why NJ would want Smith by overstating his value to a franchise. The reality is, he doesn't ACTUALLY put butts in seats. No one buys his jersey. Hawks are among the league's worst in attendance (23 out of 30). If you factor in wins (since a winning team should attract more fans), the Hawks are behind only the Pacers in worst average attendance per game won. I've never seen a Josh Smith commercial, and he can't even get people to come watch him despite the fact they had a good season (40 wins = 50 wins in an 82 game season). He has almost ZERO appeal outside of Atlanta marketability wise and even within Atlanta itself it's limited.

You can't just say a guy puts butts in seats just because you want your mega 3-way deal to work cmon! haha.

Rooscooter wrote:I think Smith is a classic "athlete" that can play Basketball guy.... he's capable of the occasional WOW plays yet most of the time you get the WTF plays or just no play at all from him..... So far he's a wasted talent IMO...

If Pau's going out we need volume not another 3rd banana that's high paid and prevents us from getting any other help. Our top 3 players were not the problem this year..... interchanging they with other nearly equal parts isn't going to help us get back to the top.... we need a couple players that can contribute in areas we are weak in at the very least for Pau....