Deron Williams Trade Discussion (Resigning w/Brooklyn)

Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Sun May 27, 2012 11:28 am

JGC wrote:Then I'm sure NJ would say, well, if you like Josh Smith so much then you go give ATL Pau Gasol for Josh Smith.


Brooklyn is moving to a new city and a new arena. Would they rather have

1) No Deron Williams and all cap space
2) Josh Smith

Im pretty sure they're willing to trade Deron and get some value out of it. When you build a new arena you need butts in seats, having capspace wont put butts in seats. Josh Smith is one of the most exciting players in the league and has been a borderline All star each of the last 3 years. HEs worth the $13 mil.

I didn't say those are the only pieces to the trade but that would be the core of the deal
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Sun May 27, 2012 11:29 am

Kou wrote:I don't see any way of getting Deron to the Lakers without trading Bynum, which makes the whole thing pointless.


Not true. Im sure they'll accomodate a trade via a 3 way deal, to his destination and get some value back

They gave up SO MUCH to the Jazz to get Deron, no way they just let him walk away
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Kou on Sun May 27, 2012 11:33 am

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Kou wrote:I don't see any way of getting Deron to the Lakers without trading Bynum, which makes the whole thing pointless.


Not true. Im sure they'll accomodate a trade via a 3 way deal, to his destination and get some value back

They gave up SO MUCH to the Jazz to get Deron, no way they just let him walk away


Why couldn't they just do what they did before Deron? Let him walk, tank next year, get #1 pick and use their cap space on D12/Chris Paul etc. I just don't think any team has enough to do a plausible three way that would keep NJ competitive.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Sun May 27, 2012 11:37 am

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Kou wrote:I don't see any way of getting Deron to the Lakers without trading Bynum, which makes the whole thing pointless.


Not true. Im sure they'll accomodate a trade via a 3 way deal, to his destination and get some value back

They gave up SO MUCH to the Jazz to get Deron, no way they just let him walk away


Why couldn't they just do what they did before Deron? Let him walk, tank next year, get #1 pick and use their cap space on D12/Chris Paul etc. I just don't think any team has enough to do a plausible three way that would keep NJ competitive.


Because you're moving to a new city. Even if you have a mediocre team you need some exciting players on it and there is maybe 1 on their team right now. It would be an epic fail if they dont draw fans immediately. Josh Smith is worth every bit of the $13 mil/yr contract and it runs out anyways in summer 2014 so only a 2yr rental for a top 15 player in this league.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Doc Brown on Sun May 27, 2012 11:48 am

Josh Smith a top 15 player?

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Sun May 27, 2012 12:01 pm

The guy averages close to 19/10 and can guard from the 1 to the 4 spots. The only knock on him is he doesn't have a consistent jumper or can shoot 3s/Free throws. Hes elite in pretty much every other aspect of the game especially on defense
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Sun May 27, 2012 12:08 pm

The Rock wrote:The guy averages close to 19/10 and can guard from the 1 to the 4 spots. The only knock on him is he doesn't have a consistent jumper or can shoot 3s/Free throws. Hes elite in pretty much every other aspect of the game especially on defense


The other knock is that he's not the smartest guy out there. Has been known to be a bit lazy and go for the flashy play. He's also criminally inefficient from the field.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun May 27, 2012 12:13 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Josh Smith a top 15 player?

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I got a better one. :man12:

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Sun May 27, 2012 12:17 pm

therealdeal wrote:
The Rock wrote:The guy averages close to 19/10 and can guard from the 1 to the 4 spots. The only knock on him is he doesn't have a consistent jumper or can shoot 3s/Free throws. Hes elite in pretty much every other aspect of the game especially on defense


The other knock is that he's not the smartest guy out there. Has been known to be a bit lazy and go for the flashy play. He's also criminally inefficient from the field.


I dont think he's the type to be a reliable No.1 or No.2 option but his best assets are athleticism, speed, rebounding, defense. Hes elite at all those things and provides just enough offense on a nightly basis to be one of the most best 2 way players in the game. Hes not exactly like Ron but what made Artest such a great player in INDY was the fact that he could D up multiple positions and carry the offense for small stretches.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Sun May 27, 2012 12:30 pm

Josh Smith is NOT an elite player, and he is certainly NOT capable of guarding 1s and 2s. He's a good player no doubt, but his decision making is downright atrocious at times, and LOL @ talking about "defense" as being one of his strong suits. His help D is very good but his perimeter and on-ball D are average at best. He isn't horribad, but I've seen him let guys blow by him so that he can try for the block instead of moving his feet which is a big no-no.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby therealdeal on Sun May 27, 2012 12:31 pm

Josh has a lot of things going for him, but so does J.R. Smith and I don't want him here either. Smith's offense would not really be what he is used to. He would get between 3-4 less shots here and those shots are going to be further away from the basket because of Bynum.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Sun May 27, 2012 12:41 pm

bruddahmanmatt wrote:Josh Smith is NOT an elite player, and he is certainly NOT capable of guarding 1s and 2s. He's a good player no doubt, but his decision making is downright atrocious at times, and LOL @ talking about "defense" as being one of his strong suits. His help D is very good but his perimeter and on-ball D are average at best. He isn't horribad, but I've seen him let guys blow by him so that he can try for the block instead of moving his feet which is a big no-no.


He's not perfect. Geeze :man10:

But the point being about Josh Smith I was making is he is a very very exciting player and he is improving. Thats why send him to New Jersey :man1:
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby bystander on Sun May 27, 2012 2:18 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Josh Smith a top 15 player?

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Scnottaken on Sun May 27, 2012 2:44 pm

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Re: Josh Smith

Postby JUST-MING on Sun May 27, 2012 6:59 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Josh Smith a Top 15 player?

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Re: Josh Smith

Postby Doc Brown on Sun May 27, 2012 7:04 pm

JUST-MING wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Josh Smith a Top 15 player?



Well I will say this.....

I don't think anyone else could have made the passes that he did. :man10:
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun May 27, 2012 7:09 pm

I think Smith is a classic "athlete" that can play Basketball guy.... he's capable of the occasional WOW plays yet most of the time you get the WTF plays or just no play at all from him..... So far he's a wasted talent IMO...

If Pau's going out we need volume not another 3rd banana that's high paid and prevents us from getting any other help. Our top 3 players were not the problem this year..... interchanging they with other nearly equal parts isn't going to help us get back to the top.... we need a couple players that can contribute in areas we are weak in at the very least for Pau....
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby lakersin4 on Sun May 27, 2012 8:05 pm

Pau's a better piece than Smith for sure, but I'd love to have his shot blocking & pick & roll D. The problem is, we're going to want Teague & that isn't going to happen. It's clear that a 1 for 1 swap isn't what the Lakers need (unless it's an amazing upgrade). We need a starting SF, a starting PF, and a backup guard.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Scnottaken on Mon May 28, 2012 2:42 am

lakersin4 wrote:Pau's a better piece than Smith for sure, but I'd love to have his shot blocking & pick & roll D. The problem is, we're going to want Teague & that isn't going to happen. It's clear that a 1 for 1 swap isn't what the Lakers need (unless it's an amazing upgrade). We need a starting SF, a starting PF, and a backup guard.

I'm ok with MWP if he keeps healthy, actually. What we need is some bench help.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby KB24 on Mon May 28, 2012 3:40 am

the Lakers have to reduce salary, rebuild and contend at the same time...

it only works if you gamble on young/underpaid players.

Ideally you would get a young piece that is able to contribute like 15/8 and is still on a rookie contract along with some other pieces. I don't think the Lakers will be looking at players that make 15 mio. and have limited ceiling due to their age like Smith. He is what he is.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby JGC on Mon May 28, 2012 7:38 am

The Rock wrote:
JGC wrote:Then I'm sure NJ would say, well, if you like Josh Smith so much then you go give ATL Pau Gasol for Josh Smith.


Brooklyn is moving to a new city and a new arena. Would they rather have

1) No Deron Williams and all cap space
2) Josh Smith

Im pretty sure they're willing to trade Deron and get some value out of it. When you build a new arena you need butts in seats, having capspace wont put butts in seats. Josh Smith is one of the most exciting players in the league and has been a borderline All star each of the last 3 years. HEs worth the $13 mil.

I didn't say those are the only pieces to the trade but that would be the core of the deal


Ok, I see you're trying to sell folks on why NJ would want Smith by overstating his value to a franchise. The reality is, he doesn't ACTUALLY put butts in seats. No one buys his jersey. Hawks are among the league's worst in attendance (23 out of 30). If you factor in wins (since a winning team should attract more fans), the Hawks are behind only the Pacers in worst average attendance per game won. I've never seen a Josh Smith commercial, and he can't even get people to come watch him despite the fact they had a good season (40 wins = 50 wins in an 82 game season). He has almost ZERO appeal outside of Atlanta marketability wise and even within Atlanta itself it's limited.

You can't just say a guy puts butts in seats just because you want your mega 3-way deal to work cmon! haha.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Congo Cash on Mon May 28, 2012 7:43 am

I prefer a starting SF and PG who can actually shoot threes, so that there is spacing and Sessions can run with the 2nd unit because he can't play with Bynum and Gasol PERIOD... Ya, and a spark off the bench would be nice too...

Because right now 4 out 5 starters are post players, dead last in fastbreak points, and one of the worst in 3PT% if not the worst...
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby cthroatgtr on Mon May 28, 2012 8:04 am

Congo Cash wrote:I prefer a starting SF and PG who can actually shoot threes, so that there is spacing and Sessions can run with the 2nd unit because he can't play with Bynum and Gasol PERIOD... Ya, and a spark off the bench would be nice too...

Because right now 4 out 5 starters are post players, dead last in fastbreak points, and one of the worst in 3PT% if not the worst...
Sessions shot the 3 well during the season and poorly in the playoffs. What does that tell you? Guy was in his first playoff. In fact it may have been his shoulder injury as he wasn't the same shooter even after that.

Deron only comes to the Lakers for Drew. No GM is trading Deron for Pau. Not happening.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Mon May 28, 2012 8:29 am

JGC wrote:
The Rock wrote:
JGC wrote:Then I'm sure NJ would say, well, if you like Josh Smith so much then you go give ATL Pau Gasol for Josh Smith.


Brooklyn is moving to a new city and a new arena. Would they rather have

1) No Deron Williams and all cap space
2) Josh Smith

Im pretty sure they're willing to trade Deron and get some value out of it. When you build a new arena you need butts in seats, having capspace wont put butts in seats. Josh Smith is one of the most exciting players in the league and has been a borderline All star each of the last 3 years. HEs worth the $13 mil.

I didn't say those are the only pieces to the trade but that would be the core of the deal


Ok, I see you're trying to sell folks on why NJ would want Smith by overstating his value to a franchise. The reality is, he doesn't ACTUALLY put butts in seats. No one buys his jersey. Hawks are among the league's worst in attendance (23 out of 30). If you factor in wins (since a winning team should attract more fans), the Hawks are behind only the Pacers in worst average attendance per game won. I've never seen a Josh Smith commercial, and he can't even get people to come watch him despite the fact they had a good season (40 wins = 50 wins in an 82 game season). He has almost ZERO appeal outside of Atlanta marketability wise and even within Atlanta itself it's limited.

You can't just say a guy puts butts in seats just because you want your mega 3-way deal to work cmon! haha.


Chris Paul says hi. Great player, MVP type player and one of the exciting players in the league and yet Hornets were always in the bottom of the league in attendance. How do you explain their attendance problems? NOLA is a football town just like Atlanta. Some cities are just unfit to draw NBA crowds

Smith can jumpstart the Nets franchise in Brooklyn, they havent made the playoffs since the 2007 season. After Al Horford was out most of the year, he and Joe johnson were the top two guys to help ATL get a top 4 record in the East with Jeff Teague and a bunch a scrubs around them.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Mon May 28, 2012 8:31 am

Rooscooter wrote:I think Smith is a classic "athlete" that can play Basketball guy.... he's capable of the occasional WOW plays yet most of the time you get the WTF plays or just no play at all from him..... So far he's a wasted talent IMO...

If Pau's going out we need volume not another 3rd banana that's high paid and prevents us from getting any other help. Our top 3 players were not the problem this year..... interchanging they with other nearly equal parts isn't going to help us get back to the top.... we need a couple players that can contribute in areas we are weak in at the very least for Pau....


Right Josh Smith's 19/10, 70 blocks, 70 steals /70 blocks(which only 1 other guy in the league has) is a waste of talent and Chris Paul is not a great player :man10:
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