Deron Williams Trade Discussion (Resigning w/Brooklyn)

Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby last stand on Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:39 pm

My problem with Bynum for Williams is you are leaving a gaping hole at PF and essentially telling pau he has to buckle down and play defense.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby khmrP on Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:56 pm

last stand wrote:My problem with Bynum for Williams is you are leaving a gaping hole at PF and essentially telling pau he has to buckle down and play defense.


trade Pau too, what the problem? :man10:
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:26 pm

khmrP wrote:
last stand wrote:My problem with Bynum for Williams is you are leaving a gaping hole at PF and essentially telling pau he has to buckle down and play defense.


trade Pau too, what the problem? :man10:

Gonna be very tough to get a legit 7 footer in return for Pau.. & we'll need one to say the least if they're both traded
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:50 pm

Pau to NY
Amare to BRK
Deron to LA

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Phil XI on Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:52 pm

Brooklyn's not taking that bazillion fully guaranteed albatross deal of Amare.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:58 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:Pau to NY
Amare to BRK
Deron to LA

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby lakersin4 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:52 pm

I do think Deron to NY makes sense though.. Lin & Amare for Deron & Lopez.. Might not make much sense in the win column but Brooklyn would have no problem selling tickets..
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Phil XI on Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:44 am

2 trades pre-draft/

TPE, #60 to Hornets for Ariza, #10
Amnesty MWP
Get 5 year younger, athletic at SF and a trading chip pick

Trade between LA, Minn, Bklyn
LA gets Deron, sends Pau, #10
Minn gets Pau, sends Derrick Willms, #18, non-guar Miller & Webster
Bklyn gets Derrick Willms, #10, #18, n-g Miller&Webster (immed cut)

Why Bklyn: get their return for orig Deron trade. #3 pick DFavors v #2 DerrickWms, 2 1sts out v 2 1sts in, salary savings of Harris $ moved last time v cutting n-g contracts to save 15m in this deal, rebuild around DW, Lopez, Brooks, 2 1sts, and have several '13 expirers creating major cap flexibility

Why Minn: get Pau to settle/nurture Rubio for a good price (don't need DW or 18 or n-g deals), Pau-Love-Pekovic is great frontcourt rotation

Why LA: essentially Deron, Ariza for Pau and TPE. Start the future (Bynum-Deron) while maximizing Kobe's window, then convince KG to come run w Kobe, Deron, Bynum for 3mil ring chase!

Deron/Blake/Morris
Kobe/Glock/Eyenga
Ariza/Kobe/vet min
Garnett/Hill/McBob
Bynum/Garnett/vet min
payroll 85m
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby BDG on Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:39 am

Given that 76ers want to amnesty Elton Brand (although he has a massive expiring contract), maybe they trade him instead ... he makes roughly the same amount of money as Deron.

Maybe he gets involved and one team in the deal gets huge cap relief via Brand's expiring contract.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby revgen on Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:44 am

Phil XI wrote:2 trades pre-draft/

TPE, #60 to Hornets for Ariza, #10
Amnesty MWP
Get 5 year younger, athletic at SF and a trading chip pick

Trade between LA, Minn, Bklyn
LA gets Deron, sends Pau, #10
Minn gets Pau, sends Derrick Willms, #18, non-guar Miller & Webster
Bklyn gets Derrick Willms, #10, #18, n-g Miller&Webster (immed cut)

Why Bklyn: get their return for orig Deron trade. #3 pick DFavors v #2 DerrickWms, 2 1sts out v 2 1sts in, salary savings of Harris $ moved last time v cutting n-g contracts to save 15m in this deal, rebuild around DW, Lopez, Brooks, 2 1sts, and have several '13 expirers creating major cap flexibility

Why Minn: get Pau to settle/nurture Rubio for a good price (don't need DW or 18 or n-g deals), Pau-Love-Pekovic is great frontcourt rotation

Why LA: essentially Deron, Ariza for Pau and TPE. Start the future (Bynum-Deron) while maximizing Kobe's window, then convince KG to come run w Kobe, Deron, Bynum for 3mil ring chase!

Deron/Blake/Morris
Kobe/Glock/Eyenga
Ariza/Kobe/vet min
Garnett/Hill/McBob
Bynum/Garnett/vet min
payroll 85m


I would be very very surprised if this actually happened. If it does, it will go down as one of the most complicated trades in the history of the NBA.

It'll also be incredibly expensive and will require us to amnesty Artest. Even with Artest amnestied, we'd still be well over the cap.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby revgen on Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:55 am

John3:16 wrote:
revgen wrote:Trades between 3 teams are very rare. The fact that Mitch even managed to get a 3-team trade accomplished last season before Stern interfered was a miracle. I don't see it happening this offseason.


Agree. Very difficult, and almost too much work.

We might have to part with Bynum to get DWill. Not saying either would do it, but if they can't get Howard and want something for DWill, they might be inclined to deal.


I'm not sure D-Will for Bynum makes us a contender. We need a player who is going to demand attention in the post to keep the heat off Kobe and Deron. Pau hasn't done that for 2 years now. And even in his 2008-2010 days, he had games that made you shake your head and wonder if he has the balls to do it, especially against physical defenders like Perkins, who's now playing in the west for OKC. Bynum actually forces Perk to front him. Something not even Dwight could do when Orlando and Boston faced off against each other.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Stearnfxr on Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:33 am

Phil XI wrote:2 trades pre-draft/

TPE, #60 to Hornets for Ariza, #10
Amnesty MWP
Get 5 year younger, athletic at SF and a trading chip pick

Trade between LA, Minn, Bklyn
LA gets Deron, sends Pau, #10
Minn gets Pau, sends Derrick Willms, #18, non-guar Miller & Webster
Bklyn gets Derrick Willms, #10, #18, n-g Miller&Webster (immed cut)

Why Bklyn: get their return for orig Deron trade. #3 pick DFavors v #2 DerrickWms, 2 1sts out v 2 1sts in, salary savings of Harris $ moved last time v cutting n-g contracts to save 15m in this deal, rebuild around DW, Lopez, Brooks, 2 1sts, and have several '13 expirers creating major cap flexibility

Why Minn: get Pau to settle/nurture Rubio for a good price (don't need DW or 18 or n-g deals), Pau-Love-Pekovic is great frontcourt rotation

Why LA: essentially Deron, Ariza for Pau and TPE. Start the future (Bynum-Deron) while maximizing Kobe's window, then convince KG to come run w Kobe, Deron, Bynum for 3mil ring chase!

Deron/Blake/Morris
Kobe/Glock/Eyenga
Ariza/Kobe/vet min
Garnett/Hill/McBob
Bynum/Garnett/vet min
payroll 85m


Brilliant!!!! :man4:
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Stearnfxr on Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:41 am

revgen wrote:
Phil XI wrote:2 trades pre-draft/

TPE, #60 to Hornets for Ariza, #10
Amnesty MWP
Get 5 year younger, athletic at SF and a trading chip pick

Trade between LA, Minn, Bklyn
LA gets Deron, sends Pau, #10
Minn gets Pau, sends Derrick Willms, #18, non-guar Miller & Webster
Bklyn gets Derrick Willms, #10, #18, n-g Miller&Webster (immed cut)

Why Bklyn: get their return for orig Deron trade. #3 pick DFavors v #2 DerrickWms, 2 1sts out v 2 1sts in, salary savings of Harris $ moved last time v cutting n-g contracts to save 15m in this deal, rebuild around DW, Lopez, Brooks, 2 1sts, and have several '13 expirers creating major cap flexibility

Why Minn: get Pau to settle/nurture Rubio for a good price (don't need DW or 18 or n-g deals), Pau-Love-Pekovic is great frontcourt rotation

Why LA: essentially Deron, Ariza for Pau and TPE. Start the future (Bynum-Deron) while maximizing Kobe's window, then convince KG to come run w Kobe, Deron, Bynum for 3mil ring chase!

Deron/Blake/Morris
Kobe/Glock/Eyenga
Ariza/Kobe/vet min
Garnett/Hill/McBob
Bynum/Garnett/vet min
payroll 85m


I would be very very surprised if this actually happened. If it does, it will go down as one of the most complicated trades in the history of the NBA.

It'll also be incredibly expensive and will require us to amnesty Artest. Even with Artest amnestied, we'd still be well over the cap.


It seem to me the FO is willing to suckup taxes until 2014, as long as they're convinced they can accomplish two goals, setting up for the future and winning now. Beyond that point contracts come off the books and they'll have to get under the cap, which they will, IMO.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby JUST-MING on Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:44 am

G · Deron Williams · Russell Westbrook · Dwayne Wade
G/F · Kobe Bryant · Kevin Durant · Lebron James
C · Andrew Bynum · Serge Ibaka · Chris Bosh
F/G · Trevor Ariza · James Harden · Shane Battier

That move would make the Lakers contenders, again. At least over the next 2 years. Just need a guard on the level of Westbrook and Wade. Obviously Chris Paul is on their level. Pau Gasol isn’t even on Harden’s, 12.5 points on 43% shooting, 9.5 boards, 3.5 assists vs. 17.5 points on 45% shooting, 5 boards, 3.5 assists
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby nduri on Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:21 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Deron creating an open look for Kobe

Kobe with the shot fake and jabsteps , waiting for his defender to recover and then take a tough fadeaway

Deron : "Wtf"

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby lakersStan24 on Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:03 am

Phil XI wrote:2 trades pre-draft/

TPE, #60 to Hornets for Ariza, #10
Amnesty MWP
Get 5 year younger, athletic at SF and a trading chip pick

Trade between LA, Minn, Bklyn
LA gets Deron, sends Pau, #10
Minn gets Pau, sends Derrick Willms, #18, non-guar Miller & Webster
Bklyn gets Derrick Willms, #10, #18, n-g Miller&Webster (immed cut)

Why Bklyn: get their return for orig Deron trade. #3 pick DFavors v #2 DerrickWms, 2 1sts out v 2 1sts in, salary savings of Harris $ moved last time v cutting n-g contracts to save 15m in this deal, rebuild around DW, Lopez, Brooks, 2 1sts, and have several '13 expirers creating major cap flexibility

Why Minn: get Pau to settle/nurture Rubio for a good price (don't need DW or 18 or n-g deals), Pau-Love-Pekovic is great frontcourt rotation

Why LA: essentially Deron, Ariza for Pau and TPE. Start the future (Bynum-Deron) while maximizing Kobe's window, then convince KG to come run w Kobe, Deron, Bynum for 3mil ring chase!

Deron/Blake/Morris
Kobe/Glock/Eyenga
Ariza/Kobe/vet min
Garnett/Hill/McBob
Bynum/Garnett/vet min
payroll 85m


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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:05 pm

Phil XI wrote:2 trades pre-draft/

TPE, #60 to Hornets for Ariza, #10
Amnesty MWP
Get 5 year younger, athletic at SF and a trading chip pick

Trade between LA, Minn, Bklyn
LA gets Deron, sends Pau, #10
Minn gets Pau, sends Derrick Willms, #18, non-guar Miller & Webster
Bklyn gets Derrick Willms, #10, #18, n-g Miller&Webster (immed cut)

Why Bklyn: get their return for orig Deron trade. #3 pick DFavors v #2 DerrickWms, 2 1sts out v 2 1sts in, salary savings of Harris $ moved last time v cutting n-g contracts to save 15m in this deal, rebuild around DW, Lopez, Brooks, 2 1sts, and have several '13 expirers creating major cap flexibility

Why Minn: get Pau to settle/nurture Rubio for a good price (don't need DW or 18 or n-g deals), Pau-Love-Pekovic is great frontcourt rotation

Why LA: essentially Deron, Ariza for Pau and TPE. Start the future (Bynum-Deron) while maximizing Kobe's window, then convince KG to come run w Kobe, Deron, Bynum for 3mil ring chase!

Deron/Blake/Morris
Kobe/Glock/Eyenga
Ariza/Kobe/vet min
Garnett/Hill/McBob
Bynum/Garnett/vet min
payroll 85m

I look at this team & see a contender, & that's with you forgetting we'll have Sessions backing up both guard spots haha.. I can see Artest & McSocks both being tradeable assets, possibly even Blake.. If we can dump McSocks & Blake either as throw in's on the existing deals.. I don't think they're going to amnesty Metta. However if that Hill for Beasley rumor has legs, I agree Metta is gone..

I think the longest shot out of the entire scenario is KG for the mini MLE.. If we can't do that, I think we'd be wise to not spend it, because Metta would probably be a better backup 4 than anyone we can get at that point.. The 3 remaining teams got where they are playing small ball with 1 legit big out there.. Beasley/Metta is a nice specialist rotation at that position..

That's actually a really good return for all teams involved.. Props for thinking this through from all sides..
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Phil XI on Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:07 pm

revgen wrote:
Phil XI wrote:2 trades pre-draft/

TPE, #60 to Hornets for Ariza, #10
Amnesty MWP
Get 5 year younger, athletic at SF and a trading chip pick

Trade between LA, Minn, Bklyn
LA gets Deron, sends Pau, #10
Minn gets Pau, sends Derrick Willms, #18, non-guar Miller & Webster
Bklyn gets Derrick Willms, #10, #18, n-g Miller&Webster (immed cut)

Why Bklyn: get their return for orig Deron trade. #3 pick DFavors v #2 DerrickWms, 2 1sts out v 2 1sts in, salary savings of Harris $ moved last time v cutting n-g contracts to save 15m in this deal, rebuild around DW, Lopez, Brooks, 2 1sts, and have several '13 expirers creating major cap flexibility

Why Minn: get Pau to settle/nurture Rubio for a good price (don't need DW or 18 or n-g deals), Pau-Love-Pekovic is great frontcourt rotation

Why LA: essentially Deron, Ariza for Pau and TPE. Start the future (Bynum-Deron) while maximizing Kobe's window, then convince KG to come run w Kobe, Deron, Bynum for 3mil ring chase!

Deron/Blake/Morris
Kobe/Glock/Eyenga
Ariza/Kobe/vet min
Garnett/Hill/McBob
Bynum/Garnett/vet min
payroll 85m


I would be very very surprised if this actually happened. If it does, it will go down as one of the most complicated trades in the history of the NBA.

It'll also be incredibly expensive and will require us to amnesty Artest. Even with Artest amnestied, we'd still be well over the cap.

Quite the opposite of complicated. It is basically 4 teams - 4 players. No sign n trades like Sessions or Beasley which couldn't be done anyway until July, no junk like Blake or McBob or Darko giving teams reason to say no, no future protected pick negotiation. Very simple Pau-DWill-Ariza-Deron. Don't think of Miller and Webster as players, they're just contracts to make the $ work and save Nets $ and will absolutely be waived by whatever teams hold their options on June 30. In this case its the Nets who reap the savings.

Incredibly expensive? The Lakers are going to be 80m unless they trade Pau for space, amnesty Artest anyway leaving Eyenga as the SF, and don't use any exceptions. They'd be choosing to waste Kobe's final run. I don't see that happening.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:19 pm

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Finwë on Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:37 pm

KeepBynum wrote:Image

:man1: :jam2:

Don't do that to me man.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:55 pm

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Don't do that to me man.

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Original 81 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:02 pm

KeepBynum wrote:
Finwë wrote:
KeepBynum wrote:Image

:man1: :jam2:

Don't do that to me man.

:man3:


He's just too stoked over an actual picture of Deron with a Lakers jersey on, as am I.

That's pretty awesome.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:28 pm

^^ Haha I was too. Got it from another Lakers forum. Resized it for an avatar, but can someone please resize it to a sig format?

Obviously Deron is wearing 5 in respect to Kobe.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:54 pm

The Original 81 wrote:
KeepBynum wrote:Image


He's just too stoked over an actual picture of Deron with a Lakers jersey on, as am I.

That's pretty awesome.


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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:05 am

I'm more than open now to trading Drew for Deron. I've just been thinking these last few days. This is not the league it used to be. Look at the NBA Finals. Look at the main bigs for the two teams. Kendrick Perkins, Nick Collison, Serge Ibaka, Udonis Haslem, and Chris Bosh. Bosh is an All Star caliber player, but he's not really a big he's a jumpshooter. Point I'm trying to make is use don't need legit bigs to win anymore. It's become a guard's league. Deron Williams is as good as any guard outside of Kobe Bryant. Those two are like a match made in heaven. Both can play off the ball which makes it a good fit. I'd rather not trade Drew, I'd rather trade Pau, but cmon Pau isn't landing us argurably the best point guard in the game. I know he did in December with CP3, but his stock has fallen even further since then. Brooklyn would rather have cap space than trade for Gasol. They'd love to have Bynum.

Drew/Sessions for Deron/Lopez.

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