Deron Williams Trade Discussion (Resigning w/Brooklyn)

Phil XI wrote:2 trades pre-draft/

TPE, #60 to Hornets for Ariza, #10
Amnesty MWP
Get 5 year younger, athletic at SF and a trading chip pick

Trade between LA, Minn, Bklyn
LA gets Deron, sends Pau, #10
Minn gets Pau, sends Derrick Willms, #18, non-guar Miller & Webster
Bklyn gets Derrick Willms, #10, #18, n-g Miller&Webster (immed cut)

Why Bklyn: get their return for orig Deron trade. #3 pick DFavors v #2 DerrickWms, 2 1sts out v 2 1sts in, salary savings of Harris $ moved last time v cutting n-g contracts to save 15m in this deal, rebuild around DW, Lopez, Brooks, 2 1sts, and have several '13 expirers creating major cap flexibility

Why Minn: get Pau to settle/nurture Rubio for a good price (don't need DW or 18 or n-g deals), Pau-Love-Pekovic is great frontcourt rotation

Why LA: essentially Deron, Ariza for Pau and TPE. Start the future (Bynum-Deron) while maximizing Kobe's window, then convince KG to come run w Kobe, Deron, Bynum for 3mil ring chase!

Deron/Blake/Morris
Kobe/Glock/Eyenga
Ariza/Kobe/vet min
Garnett/Hill/McBob
Bynum/Garnett/vet min
payroll 85m

sounds good to me!

Phil XI wrote:2 trades pre-draft/

TPE, #60 to Hornets for Ariza, #10
Amnesty MWP
Get 5 year younger, athletic at SF and a trading chip pick

Trade between LA, Minn, Bklyn
LA gets Deron, sends Pau, #10
Minn gets Pau, sends Derrick Willms, #18, non-guar Miller & Webster
Bklyn gets Derrick Willms, #10, #18, n-g Miller&Webster (immed cut)

Why Bklyn: get their return for orig Deron trade. #3 pick DFavors v #2 DerrickWms, 2 1sts out v 2 1sts in, salary savings of Harris $ moved last time v cutting n-g contracts to save 15m in this deal, rebuild around DW, Lopez, Brooks, 2 1sts, and have several '13 expirers creating major cap flexibility

Why Minn: get Pau to settle/nurture Rubio for a good price (don't need DW or 18 or n-g deals), Pau-Love-Pekovic is great frontcourt rotation

Why LA: essentially Deron, Ariza for Pau and TPE. Start the future (Bynum-Deron) while maximizing Kobe's window, then convince KG to come run w Kobe, Deron, Bynum for 3mil ring chase!

Deron/Blake/Morris
Kobe/Glock/Eyenga
Ariza/Kobe/vet min
Garnett/Hill/McBob
Bynum/Garnett/vet min
payroll 85m

I look at this team & see a contender, & that's with you forgetting we'll have Sessions backing up both guard spots haha.. I can see Artest & McSocks both being tradeable assets, possibly even Blake.. If we can dump McSocks & Blake either as throw in's on the existing deals.. I don't think they're going to amnesty Metta. However if that Hill for Beasley rumor has legs, I agree Metta is gone..

I think the longest shot out of the entire scenario is KG for the mini MLE.. If we can't do that, I think we'd be wise to not spend it, because Metta would probably be a better backup 4 than anyone we can get at that point.. The 3 remaining teams got where they are playing small ball with 1 legit big out there.. Beasley/Metta is a nice specialist rotation at that position..

That's actually a really good return for all teams involved.. Props for thinking this through from all sides..

revgen wrote:

Phil XI wrote:2 trades pre-draft/

TPE, #60 to Hornets for Ariza, #10
Amnesty MWP
Get 5 year younger, athletic at SF and a trading chip pick

Trade between LA, Minn, Bklyn
LA gets Deron, sends Pau, #10
Minn gets Pau, sends Derrick Willms, #18, non-guar Miller & Webster
Bklyn gets Derrick Willms, #10, #18, n-g Miller&Webster (immed cut)

Why Bklyn: get their return for orig Deron trade. #3 pick DFavors v #2 DerrickWms, 2 1sts out v 2 1sts in, salary savings of Harris $ moved last time v cutting n-g contracts to save 15m in this deal, rebuild around DW, Lopez, Brooks, 2 1sts, and have several '13 expirers creating major cap flexibility

Why Minn: get Pau to settle/nurture Rubio for a good price (don't need DW or 18 or n-g deals), Pau-Love-Pekovic is great frontcourt rotation

Why LA: essentially Deron, Ariza for Pau and TPE. Start the future (Bynum-Deron) while maximizing Kobe's window, then convince KG to come run w Kobe, Deron, Bynum for 3mil ring chase!

Deron/Blake/Morris
Kobe/Glock/Eyenga
Ariza/Kobe/vet min
Garnett/Hill/McBob
Bynum/Garnett/vet min
payroll 85m

I would be very very surprised if this actually happened. If it does, it will go down as one of the most complicated trades in the history of the NBA.

It'll also be incredibly expensive and will require us to amnesty Artest. Even with Artest amnestied, we'd still be well over the cap.

Quite the opposite of complicated. It is basically 4 teams - 4 players. No sign n trades like Sessions or Beasley which couldn't be done anyway until July, no junk like Blake or McBob or Darko giving teams reason to say no, no future protected pick negotiation. Very simple Pau-DWill-Ariza-Deron. Don't think of Miller and Webster as players, they're just contracts to make the $ work and save Nets $ and will absolutely be waived by whatever teams hold their options on June 30. In this case its the Nets who reap the savings.

Incredibly expensive? The Lakers are going to be 80m unless they trade Pau for space, amnesty Artest anyway leaving Eyenga as the SF, and don't use any exceptions. They'd be choosing to waste Kobe's final run. I don't see that happening.

KeepBynum wrote:

Don't do that to me man.

Finwë wrote:

KeepBynum wrote:

Don't do that to me man.

KeepBynum wrote:

Finwë wrote:

KeepBynum wrote:

Don't do that to me man.

He's just too stoked over an actual picture of Deron with a Lakers jersey on, as am I.

That's pretty awesome.

^^ Haha I was too. Got it from another Lakers forum. Resized it for an avatar, but can someone please resize it to a sig format?

Obviously Deron is wearing 5 in respect to Kobe.

The Original 81 wrote:

KeepBynum wrote:


He's just too stoked over an actual picture of Deron with a Lakers jersey on, as am I.

That's pretty awesome.

Do it Mitch!

I'm more than open now to trading Drew for Deron. I've just been thinking these last few days. This is not the league it used to be. Look at the NBA Finals. Look at the main bigs for the two teams. Kendrick Perkins, Nick Collison, Serge Ibaka, Udonis Haslem, and Chris Bosh. Bosh is an All Star caliber player, but he's not really a big he's a jumpshooter. Point I'm trying to make is use don't need legit bigs to win anymore. It's become a guard's league. Deron Williams is as good as any guard outside of Kobe Bryant. Those two are like a match made in heaven. Both can play off the ball which makes it a good fit. I'd rather not trade Drew, I'd rather trade Pau, but cmon Pau isn't landing us argurably the best point guard in the game. I know he did in December with CP3, but his stock has fallen even further since then. Brooklyn would rather have cap space than trade for Gasol. They'd love to have Bynum.

Drew/Sessions for Deron/Lopez.

Lakers: Deron/Kobe/MWP/Pau/Lopez

Nets : Sessions/Brooks/Green/Humphries/Drew

KeepBynum wrote:I'm more than open now to trading Drew for Deron. I've just been thinking these last few days. This is not the league it used to be. Look at the NBA Finals. Look at the main bigs for the two teams. Kendrick Perkins, Nick Collison, Serge Ibaka, Udonis Haslem, and Chris Bosh. Bosh is an All Star caliber player, but he's not really a big he's a jumpshooter. Point I'm trying to make is use don't need legit bigs to win anymore. It's become a guard's league. Deron Williams is as good as any guard outside of Kobe Bryant. Those two are like a match made in heaven. Both can play off the ball which makes it a good fit. I'd rather not trade Drew, I'd rather trade Pau, but cmon Pau isn't landing us argurably the best point guard in the game. I know he did in December with CP3, but his stock has fallen even further since then. Brooklyn would rather have cap space than trade for Gasol. They'd love to have Bynum.

Drew/Sessions for Deron/Lopez.

Lakers: Deron/Kobe/MWP/Pau/Lopez

Nets : Sessions/Brooks/Green/Humphries/Drew

We can't give up Bynum unless it's for Dwight, Lebron, Durant, & arguably Love.. Or a package of multiple high impact players that fit.. Like his attitude or not at worst he's the 2nd best Center in the NBA & his impact on games is surpassed by few..

lakersin4 wrote:

KeepBynum wrote:I'm more than open now to trading Drew for Deron. I've just been thinking these last few days. This is not the league it used to be. Look at the NBA Finals. Look at the main bigs for the two teams. Kendrick Perkins, Nick Collison, Serge Ibaka, Udonis Haslem, and Chris Bosh. Bosh is an All Star caliber player, but he's not really a big he's a jumpshooter. Point I'm trying to make is use don't need legit bigs to win anymore. It's become a guard's league. Deron Williams is as good as any guard outside of Kobe Bryant. Those two are like a match made in heaven. Both can play off the ball which makes it a good fit. I'd rather not trade Drew, I'd rather trade Pau, but cmon Pau isn't landing us argurably the best point guard in the game. I know he did in December with CP3, but his stock has fallen even further since then. Brooklyn would rather have cap space than trade for Gasol. They'd love to have Bynum.

Drew/Sessions for Deron/Lopez.

Lakers: Deron/Kobe/MWP/Pau/Lopez

Nets : Sessions/Brooks/Green/Humphries/Drew

We can't give up Bynum unless it's for Dwight, Lebron, Durant, & arguably Love.. Or a package of multiple high impact players that fit.. Like his attitude or not at worst he's the 2nd best Center in the NBA & his impact on games is surpassed by few..

I don't wanna trade him either, but it's very difficult to pass up Deron Williams who's argurably the best point guard in the league. The days of needing an elite center to win are over.

lakersin4 wrote:his impact on games is surpassed by few

Rolfmao

You don’t even need to qualify “few”, because I can name 30 players off the top of my head that impact the game moreso than Andrew Bynum.

KeepBynum wrote:Deron Williams who's argurably the best point guard in the league.

Russell Westbrook just dropped 40 points in the Finals. He’s the best point guard in the league. Regarding the above post (re: lakersin4); Russell Westbrook also has more impact on games than Andrew Bynum.

In regards to lakersin4

I agree BUT I'd say Deron might be that guy.

I wouldn't pull that trade though. I want no part of Lopez. If we dislike Andrew's rebounding from game to game, we're going to rip our hair out watching Lopez neglect the glass. If we traded Bynum for Deron, I'd just do it straight up to be honest. Then start filling in pieces or turn Gasol into better role players/depth...

Something like this:
LA in: Okafor, Vasquez
LA out: Gasol/Future first

Hou in: Gasol/#10/Future first
Hou out: Lowry/Martin/#14

NO in: Martin/Lowry/#14
NO out: Okafor/Vasquez/#10

I think Houston probably turns this trade down because they don't get rid of Scola, but if they really wanted Gasol they could do it this way. New Orleans sheds Okafor's contract, takes back an expiring and the PG they're looking for with their pick.

The Lakers then use the mini-MLe finding a backup big man (hopefully a Fesenko or a Camby if he wants to play for a ring). Use the vet's minimum to try to pick up someone like Nate Robinson for scoring. Re-sign Ebanks and Hill and let Sessions walk.

Williams/Vasquez
Bryant/Robinson/Goudelock
Artest/Ebanks/Eyenga
McRoberts/Hill
Okafor/Camby

The team is faster, more streamlined, and matches up better with teams like OKC and Miami. Big defensive presence with Okafor and (hopefully) Camby, athleticism and hustle with McRoberts and HIll. Scoring off the bench with Robinson. Vasquez is actually a pretty decent backup PG, especially for the money. And of course the Lakers get Deron Williams who is a guy you can count to build with and attract future stars.

JUST-MING wrote:

lakersin4 wrote:his impact on games is surpassed by few

Rolfmao

You don’t even need to qualify “few”, because I can name 30 players off the top of my head that impact the game moreso than Andrew Bynum.

I would love to see that list.

therealdeal wrote:

JUST-MING wrote:

lakersin4 wrote:his impact on games is surpassed by few

Rolfmao

You don’t even need to qualify “few”, because I can name 30 players off the top of my head that impact the game moreso than Andrew Bynum.

I would love to see that list.

Add your own first.

JUST-MING wrote:

lakersin4 wrote:his impact on games is surpassed by few

Rolfmao

You don’t even need to qualify “few”, because I can name 30 players off the top of my head that impact the game moreso than Andrew Bynum.

The list isn't much longer than the one I listed above.. You can add Westbrook, CP3, this season Tony Parker, Kobe of course.. You could make an argument for Wade but I think he along with a few others are right on par with Bynum's impact Who else had a bigger all around impact this season than Bynum? You had commentators including people like Shaq saying Bynum is better than Dwight Howard.. What he's able to do on both sides of the ball is especially amazing when you consider he's sharing the ball with a 1-2 punch that just won 2 titles..

therealdeal wrote:In regards to lakersin4

I agree BUT I'd say Deron might be that guy.

I wouldn't pull that trade though. I want no part of Lopez. If we dislike Andrew's rebounding from game to game, we're going to rip our hair out watching Lopez neglect the glass. If we traded Bynum for Deron, I'd just do it straight up to be honest. Then start filling in pieces or turn Gasol into better role players/depth...

Something like this:
LA in: Okafor, Vasquez
LA out: Gasol/Future first

Hou in: Gasol/#10/Future first
Hou out: Lowry/Martin/#14

NO in: Martin/Lowry/#14
NO out: Okafor/Vasquez/#10

I think Houston probably turns this trade down because they don't get rid of Scola, but if they really wanted Gasol they could do it this way. New Orleans sheds Okafor's contract, takes back an expiring and the PG they're looking for with their pick.

The Lakers then use the mini-MLe finding a backup big man (hopefully a Fesenko or a Camby if he wants to play for a ring). Use the vet's minimum to try to pick up someone like Nate Robinson for scoring. Re-sign Ebanks and Hill and let Sessions walk.

Williams/Vasquez
Bryant/Robinson/Goudelock
Artest/Ebanks/Eyenga
McRoberts/Hill
Okafor/Camby

The team is faster, more streamlined, and matches up better with teams like OKC and Miami. Big defensive presence with Okafor and (hopefully) Camby, athleticism and hustle with McRoberts and HIll. Scoring off the bench with Robinson. Vasquez is actually a pretty decent backup PG, especially for the money. And of course the Lakers get Deron Williams who is a guy you can count to build with and attract future stars.

We would have the worst frontcourt in the NBA..

Lebron James. Kevin Durant. Kobe Bryant. Derrick Rose. Dwayne Wade. Dwight Howard. Dirk Nowitzki. Chris Paul. Carmelo Anthony. Deron Williams. Amare Stoudemire. Russell Westbrook. Pau Gasol. Rajon Rondo. Blake Griffin. Kevin Love. Chris Bosh. Lamarcus Aldridge. Tony Parker. Steve Nash. Paul Pierce. Danny Granger. Joe Johnson. Monta Ellis. John Wall. Rudy Gay. Tyreke Evans. Josh Smith. Steph Curry. Andre Iguodala. Al Horford. Al Jefferson. David West. Marc Gasol. Kevin Garnett.

I don’t consider James Harden and Serge Ibaka, individually, but combined they have as much impact.

^ Perhaps. But we'd have the best back court in the NBA for sure.

I think that team is good for two reasons: We actually shed a bit of money and we still can go for the rebuild plan in 2014 since Okafor's contract and Vasquez's run out that season.

Not to mention, McRoberts performed far beneath his abilities here in LA. Watch him in Indiana and you'll see a far different player. I think he has all the tools to start in the league, but given Brown's horrible, horrible rotations McRoberts ended up being buried on the bench.

Also not to mention I'm fairly sure when the Lakers traded Gasol for Paul that McRoberts was going to be the person to fill in for him.

JUST-MING wrote:Lebron James. Kevin Durant. Kobe Bryant. Derrick Rose. Dwayne Wade. Dwight Howard. Dirk Nowitzki. Chris Paul. Carmelo Anthony. Deron Williams. Amare Stoudemire. Russell Westbrook. Pau Gasol. Rajon Rondo. Blake Griffin. Kevin Love. Chris Bosh. Lamarcus Aldridge. Tony Parker. Steve Nash. Paul Pierce. Danny Granger. Joe Johnson. Monta Ellis. John Wall. Rudy Gay. Tyreke Evans. Josh Smith. Steph Curry. Andre Iguodala. Al Horford. Al Jefferson. David West. Marc Gasol. Kevin Garnett.

Here we go...

JUST-MING wrote:Carmelo Anthony.

No way, Jose.

JUST-MING wrote:Amare Stoudemire.

Negatory.

JUST-MING wrote:Russell Westbrook.

Hm... maybe.

JUST-MING wrote: Pau Gasol.

Do ya really think so?...

JUST-MING wrote:Blake Griffin

Oh Jesus, no.

JUST-MING wrote: Chris Bosh.

Hm... no.

JUST-MING wrote:Lamarcus Aldridge.

Nyet.

JUST-MING wrote: Steve Nash

At this point in his career definitely not.

JUST-MING wrote:Paul Pierce. Danny Granger. Joe Johnson.

All no.

JUST-MING wrote:Monta Ellis. John Wall. Rudy Gay. Tyreke Evans. Josh Smith. Steph Curry.

Wow, you're really reaching here.

JUST-MING wrote:Andre Iguodala. Al Horford. Al Jefferson. David West. Marc Gasol. Kevin Garnett.

And now you're just looking at names out there. There's no way any of these players impact a game anywhere near the way Andrew Bynum does.

JUST-MING wrote:Carmelo Anthony. Russell Westbrook. Pau Gasol. Rajon Rondo. Blake Griffin. Kevin Love. Chris Bosh. Lamarcus Aldridge. Tony Parker. Steve Nash. Paul Pierce. Danny Granger. Joe Johnson. Monta Ellis. John Wall. Rudy Gay. Tyreke Evans. Josh Smith. Steph Curry. Andre Iguodala. Al Horford. Al Jefferson. David West. Marc Gasol. Kevin Garnett.

I don’t consider James Harden and Serge Ibaka, individually, but combined they have as much impact.

This either a terrible of trolling or just plain stupidty. Probably both.

Can't say I'm surprised this is the same guy who said Westbrook is the best guard in the NBA and is better than Kevin Durant.

I’d love to see Andrew Bynum as the feature guy on the Knicks instead of Carmelo or Amare. No, seriously, I’d trade him for either player.

JUST-MING wrote:I’d love to see Andrew Bynum as the feature guy on the Knicks instead of Carmelo or Amare. No, seriously, I’d trade him for either player.

Dude just stop. You're embarassing yourself.