Deron Williams Trade Discussion (Resigning w/Brooklyn)

Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby dmaul on Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:55 pm

Two-three years ago I said I would trade Bynum for Deron straight up as a hypothetical. Sadly, even if this opportunity presented itself this summer I don't think Jim Buss would do it. So we're not getting Deron, not getting Dwight, and will have to settle for whatever pieces we can get for Pau. Or most likely we just show up at camp with the exact same roster. Ugh.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:57 pm

Have no fear guys...

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby last stand on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:11 pm

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:24 pm

last stand wrote:No report gets me high or low. Things change weekly sometimes daily.

This. Plus we pretty much knew that Deron's first two choices were Brooklyn and Dallas. The Lakers are that 3rd team, but obviouslt it would have to be a trade.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby intuitivelOve on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:31 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Have no fear guys...

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Ariza3 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:43 pm

if we can trade bynum for deron id do it in a heart beat. its a guards fast paced league and having a dominating center is a huge advantage but having a top PG is a better one
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Center Court on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:54 am

every player has LA on their short list of places to play. But LA can't offer a contract, it'd have to be a sign and trade. Why would Deron come out and say he'd want to be here? It can't happen unless there is a trade which unless we offer Bynum, the Nets pass on... in the end, he'd look bad if he was making it seem like he was trying to force his way here.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:26 am

Ariza3 wrote:if we can trade bynum for deron id do it in a heart beat. its a guards fast paced league and having a dominating center is a huge advantage but having a top PG is a better one

& build around what for the future? Deron is 2 years younger than Pau.. That's 2 seasons before he's possibly on the decline & fans are calling for his head just like we are Pau's now.. Every aging PG can't be Nash/Kidd
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:34 pm

Bottom line if we want to win a championship in Kobe's last 2 years were gunna need a PG. CP3 would have solved the issue of PG and getting rid of a declining Pau. But that was nixed and now were stuck in 2 round exits. Deron would be our best chance of getting back to the finals as we need another All-Star to take some weight off Kobe.

Miami has LBJ & Wade
OKC has KD & Westbrook

If one is off they will be covered by the other and still pull out a win with the supporting cast. All we have is Kobe and a very inconsistent supporting cast. We need another star bc we can't rely on drew to be that guy bc he's not at this point of his career at least. This league is about stars teaming up with other stars and neither on is a big slow center.

CP3 was the answer and we got screwed. Deron is our other answer and idk what we can do if we don't get him.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:40 pm

Report: Williams to choose between Nets, Mavs

Brooklyn Nets point guard Deron Williams reportedly will only consider re-signing with the Nets or leaving for the Dallas Mavericks when he becomes a free agent next Sunday.
The all-star guard already has narrowed his list to those two teams, ESPN.com reported, citing sources close to Williams. He is "up in the air" about which team he will choose, the sources said.
Williams averaged 21 points and 8.7 assists a game last season.
The Dallas-area native, who is considered the No. 1 free agent this off-season, was traded to the Nets during the 2010-11 season.
Nets officials, who will moved to a new arena in Brooklyn this fall, have said they want to build the franchise around Williams. Mavericks officials have reportedly cleared salary cap space in order to pair Williams with star forward Dirk Nowitzki
The Los Angeles Lakers, Phoenix Suns, Portland Trail Blazers and Houston Rockets were also interested in Williams, ESPN.com reported. However, Williams told his agent to tell teams when the free-agent negotiating period begins next week that he is only interested in two teams.


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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby last stand on Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:46 pm

To sign with? Yes. Lakers can't sign him. But he'd love to come here through s/t

This is deron basically saying. Portland, phoenix, an toronto don't even bother calling.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:48 pm

^^What?!.... he's pretty clear that he wants to be in NJ (for money) or Dallas because his family is there.... Show me anywhere where he's said he'd "Love to come there through s/t"......
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:58 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^What?!.... he's pretty clear that he wants to be in NJ (for money) or Dallas because his family is there.... Show me anywhere where he's said he'd "Love to come there through s/t"......

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:01 pm

KeepBynum wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^What?!.... he's pretty clear that he wants to be in NJ (for money) or Dallas because his family is there.... Show me anywhere where he's said he'd "Love to come there through s/t"......

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... z1vijgsp6v


That's not his words.... at least about the Lakers.... it's conjecture by the writer..... note the quotes in that so called report....
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:04 pm

Well you can say the same for the ESPN report.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Vasashi17 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:05 pm

via Sam Amick after today's ESPN article broke
With free agency just days away, a quick look at Deron Williams' situation: As I reported last month, the Nets point guard is believed to be interested in joining the Lakers (it would have to be via sign-and-trade). But with Brooklyn reportedly uninterested in Pau Gasol and the Lakers sounding unwilling to part ways with Andrew Bynum, I'm not sure what form that deal could take. Otherwise, it's no wonder he's having a tough time deciding between the Nets and his hometown Mavs: He's known to love living in NYC with his family, but Brooklyn has such a long ways to go to be a playoff team - let alone a title contender - unless they get Dwight Howard. The Mavs, meanwhile can offer a chance to contend that may have a limited shelf life since Dirk Nowitzki is 34. If we're strictly talking basketball here (which isn't the case nearly often enough), it's a no-brainer that - in the absence of a Howard deal with Orlando - Dallas should be his destination. Should be an interesting couple of weeks


Basically...until D-Will says it, you really can't run with any "source"
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:14 pm

^^He is by far my first pick to play PG for this team and I believe he fits the best here of any point guard.... but I've never read anything attributed to him first hand that has indicated that he want's to play here. OTOH he's on the record a few times about Dallas....

Cuban is an owner with deep pockets that will make gambles..... it's his home town.... We have neither of those things.... our ownership is looking at shedding salary and our prospects aren't any better than Dallas' going forward I'm afraid...

I've always felt he'd be going to Dallas...

As yo said... we won't have to wait much longer now to find out.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Vasashi17 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:18 pm

Not really sure if these dudes are the same person haha...

but a Sam Amico also has a little Laker tidbit today:
Sam Amico: As for Lakers, I honestly think it's a matter of time before they somehow get a first-round pick. Probably somewhere in 25-30 range.


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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:22 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Not really sure if these dudes are the same person haha...

but a Sam Amico also has a little Laker tidbit today:
Sam Amico: As for Lakers, I honestly think it's a matter of time before they somehow get a first-round pick. Probably somewhere in 25-30 range.


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didn't we already literally give away two of those?..... Why would we want to move assets to get into the bottom of the first round?... seems like misdirection to me....
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Weezy on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:25 pm

^^^ Not the same person, Sam Amick is a writer for SI I believe, and Sam Amico is a Fox Sports Ohio guy. Amico has said in multiple tweets now that he hears the Lakers are trying to get into the first round, so there may be something to it. I can't see why we'd want to get a pick between 25 and 30 though, what good would that do us?
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Vasashi17 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:28 pm

^^^That is why I really feel it has to be for someone else...but what is a low first rounder going to do for another team anyways?

It'll probably be fiscally related deal if that pick is really for us...maybe by dumping Blake or Metta's contract in the process.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby tigerjeterkobe on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:49 pm

The reasons to get a late first round pick are likely:

1. So the Lakers can use the TPE and pick for Beasely (then amnesty Ron, or trade Josh or Blake for another TPE to dump their salaries):

2. Use the TPE and the pick for Milsap.....

3. Use the TPE and pick for Mayo....

4. To use the pick with Bynum for Dwight

5. Just to dump salary (Josh, Blake, or Eyenga -- likely), like they did with Sasha and LO

6. To combine with Blake for someone like Crawford or Felton or S&T for Roy

7. To combine with other proceeds (picks) from a Gasol trade to try to land Deron or Deng

8. To use to somehow dump salary and get LO back.


I lean toward 1 or 5. No way the Lakers are really after a player slated for late first round.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Helljumper on Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:58 pm

I don't think we're going to have to give up any real assets to move into the late-first round. We could probably get a pick in that range just by buying it or offering future draft considerations.

Out of the 30 players picked in the 20-30 range in the past three drafts, a third of them have been solid players who would probably be better for us than any player we had at their position off the bench: Kenneth Faried, Marshon Brooks, Norris Cole, Jordan Crawford, Greivis Vasquez, Darren Collison, Omri Casspi, Rodrigue Beaubois, Taj Gibson, Toney Douglas.

We need impact players off the bench who are young, athletic, and cheap. If the scouts do their homework, buying a late-first round pick could be an easy way to accomplish this. It doesn't have to be as a bigger piece to some other trade.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby kenzo on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:01 pm

I'll be shocked if he ends up in places other than Dallas or Brooklyn.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Jellincon on Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:26 pm

Ariza3 wrote:if we can trade bynum for deron id do it in a heart beat. its a guards fast paced league and having a dominating center is a huge advantage but having a top PG is a better one



I think it would be better if we kept Bynum. Not that I don't like D. Will but having a top PG isn't as important as having a dominant big man. The last NBA champion to have a top PG was the Spurs in 07. After that year, the champs have had a serviceable/average PG with a top big man: 08 Celtics- Rondo and Garnett, 09 Lakers- Fisher and Gasol, 10 Lakers- Fisher and Gasol, 11 Mavs- J. Kidd and Dirk, 12 Heat- Chalmers and Bosh.

They only way I think we have a chance of beating the Heat or Thunder is with a dominant center (Bynum) who can exploit the weak front court of those 2 teams. Instead of looking to get an elite PG, I think we will be better of looking for a good starting PG who can control the tempo, exploit mismatches, and effectively run a set offense.
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