Deron Williams Trade Discussion (Resigning w/Brooklyn)

Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Wed May 23, 2012 4:44 pm

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The Original 81 wrote:At this point I think it's pretty silly to say Howard wouldn't be an upgrade over Bynum. I'd give the nod to Howard strictly based on consistency. I think Drew has the ability, he just has to get the right mindset.

How is it silly? Bynum is a MUCH better offensive player. Defensively Howard is better, but Bynum is no slouch in that department. Often times he's out of position because the perimeter players (Mainly Sessions and Blake) can't keep their man in front of them.


Lol just because Bynum has a cute little left handed hook shot doesn't mean he's a much better offensive player. It's an absolute joke that people still think Bynum is anywhere near Howard. Howard just impacts the game in a way Bynum could only dream.

Bynum has more than a left handed hook which is already more than what Dwight has. Howard is basically a better (much better) Blake Griffin with better defense. No low post moves, all his points come from lobs or putbacks. Howard doesn't impact the game anymore than Bynum does. I just don't see the infatuation with Howard. Probably the most overrated player in the game.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby jjin28 on Wed May 23, 2012 4:46 pm

Trade of all trades. 5 team blockbustaaaaaa

Houston Out: Scola, Kev Martin, Dragic, 1st Rounder
Houston In: Beasely, Derrick Williams, Ebanks, Humpries
Final Line Up: Lowry, Ebanks, Beasely, Derrick Williams, Camby

Minnesota Out: Derrick WIlliams, Beasely, Pekovich, 1st Rounder
Minnesota In: Pau Gasol, Jason Richardson
Final Line Up: Rubio, Wes Johnson, Jrich, Love, Pau Gasol
This team can hang with anybody.

Nets Out: Brook Lopez, Deron WIlliams, Humpries
Nets In: Bynum, Jameer Nelson, Scola
Nets Line Up: Jameer Nelson, Marshon Brooks, Gerald Wallace, Scola, Bynum
Not a bad tem in the east, and Bynum stays close to his hometown and becomes the franchise player.

Orlando Out: D12, Jrich, Jameer
Orlando In: Brook Lopez, Pekovich, Dragic, Kevin Martin, Lakers 1st Rounder, Minnesota 1st Rounder, Houston 1st Rounder
Final Line Up: Rebuild mode: Dragic, Kevin Martin, Hedo, Pekovich, Brook Lopez

Lakers Out: Bynum, Gasol, Ebanks, 1st Rounder,
Lakers In: Deron Williams, D12
Lakers Line Up: Deron Williams, Kobe, Artest, Hill, Bynum

Resign Blake, Barnes, Hill. Let Sessions go. If Sessions stays for his player option, amnesty Blake. Sign back up bigs with Midlevel or Vet Mins. We good to go for a title run for kobe's finals years, and we have our building blocks in D12 and Deron for the next decade.

Dont see any losers but Orlando in this trade. But they get expiring contracts in a rebuild attempt and dumping J Rich's contract and only having Hedo's contract to worry about.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Texas Lakers Fan on Wed May 23, 2012 4:47 pm

Center Court wrote:
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Bynum, Blake, Ebanks for Howard (what Orlando would have taken for Dwight... his stock has only gone down and Orlando's leverage has faded)

Find a third team who really like Pau and will give up some pieces for him. Philly, Minny, and Houston come to mind.

Philly: Pau
NJ: Iggy, Tad Young
LAL: Deron

Minny: Pau
NJ: D Will, Beasley, 1st
LAL: Deron

Houston: Pau
NJ: Lowry, Scola, Martin
LAL: Deron



I want to add a few notes...

Dwight didn't want to come here because there was no PG to feed him the ball. If Deron AND Kobe are here, he's begging to come here

The report was DWill2, picks for Pau. Beasley was almost had for the TPE. Makes me think we could make both of those happen.

Sign Garnet and Odom, amnesty Blake, bring back Ebanks, Sesh and Hill

D12/Hill
Garnett/Odom
Ron/Ebanks/Shooters
Kobe/Shooters
Deron/Sessions/Shooters

Then you woke up. :man10:

KG has already said he's finishing his career in Boston. Odom can't be resigned till December and even then he's not coming back after how his Laker career ended. Howard doesn't wanna play for the Lakers because he's scared of playing in Shaq's shadow. D-Will or not he'll still be afraid of Shaq's shadow.

Screw Dwight. Let him rot in Orlando.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby khmrP on Wed May 23, 2012 5:03 pm

KeepBynum wrote:Bynum has more than a left handed hook which is already more than what Dwight has. Howard is basically a better (much better) Blake Griffin with better defense. No low post moves, all his points come from lobs or putbacks. Howard doesn't impact the game anymore than Bynum does. I just don't see the infatuation with Howard. Probably the most overrated player in the game.


some of your statement is so biased, Most of howards points dont come from put back/lobs no more so then Bynum getting lobs dunks setup by Pau/Kobe, we all saw Bynum awesome offense when Kobe was out, with increase shot attempt came a much lower fg%, he shot 43% during that stretch w/o Kobe.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Wed May 23, 2012 5:35 pm

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The Original 81 wrote:At this point I think it's pretty silly to say Howard wouldn't be an upgrade over Bynum. I'd give the nod to Howard strictly based on consistency. I think Drew has the ability, he just has to get the right mindset.

The only thing is what Rock mentioned, what effect with Howard's back have on his game? I realize that Drew has knee problems too, but IMO I stick with a guy who has the fundamentals but knee problems over the guy who's game seems to be predicated mostly on his athleticism but with back problems.


yea hes skipping the Olympics which is a little disturbing
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby dane99 on Wed May 23, 2012 5:55 pm

the only way we get him is if he either sign a one year 5 mle, demands to go no where else but the lakers so someone helps us with a sign and trade.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby CarolinaLakerFan on Wed May 23, 2012 6:57 pm

LOL @ Deron Williams, or any other PG not named Fisher wanting to share a backcourt with Kobe. Sessions won't re-sign here either. What true point guard who's spent his whole career being a floor general, wants to come down and pass the ball to Kobe, then stand and wait for him to MAYBE throw you a pass with 2 seconds on the shot clock, expecting you to knock down a 3? It takes a special SUBMISSIVE guy to play in the backcourt with Mr. "I eat first". It would've been quite interesting to see how CP3 and Kobe would've worked out.

I have always been a Kobe guy. He's my 2nd favorite Laker ever. But lately his insisting on taking 25 + shots a game at age 33 is a little annoying. He HAS to put his ego aside and be content with putting up less numbers in exchange for another championship. Until that happens, we're just spinning our wheels in the mud.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby lakefansac on Wed May 23, 2012 7:04 pm

CarolinaLakerFan wrote:LOL @ Deron Williams, or any other PG not named Fisher wanting to share a backcourt with Kobe. Sessions won't re-sign here either. What true point guard who's spent his whole career being a floor general, wants to come down and pass the ball to Kobe, then stand and wait for him to MAYBE throw you a pass with 2 seconds on the shot clock, expecting you to knock down a 3? It takes a special SUBMISSIVE guy to play in the backcourt with Mr. "I eat first". It would've been quite interesting to see how CP3 and Kobe would've worked out.

I have always been a Kobe guy. He's my 2nd favorite Laker ever. But lately his insisting on taking 25 + shots a game at age 33 is a little annoying. He HAS to put his ego aside and be content with putting up less numbers in exchange for another championship. Until that happens, we're just spinning our wheels in the mud.


This plus Deron would want max salary. The reason above is why Lamar Odom had a hard time playing with Kobe as a starter (before Pau) since Lamar needed the ball in his hands to be effective.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Big Mamma Jamma on Wed May 23, 2012 7:12 pm

KeepBynum wrote:Bynum has more than a left handed hook which is already more than what Dwight has. Howard is basically a better (much better) Blake Griffin with better defense. No low post moves, all his points come from lobs or putbacks. Howard doesn't impact the game anymore than Bynum does. I just don't see the infatuation with Howard. Probably the most overrated player in the game.


Sorry I've got to correct you ... Howard is the second most overrated player in the game behind Blake Griffin! :man10:

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 23, 2012 7:16 pm

I'd love any deal that would net us Deron..... WTS..... keeping Bynum for next year is the smartest thing to do even if we are thinking of trading him. He's cheap next year.... it's a contract year and if you want to get the best value it would be at the deadline next year IMO. As for Howard.... I'm not much of a fan of his but even if I was I wouldn't touch him until he shows that his back issues aren't chronic...... back surgery isn't nearly as effective as modern knee surgeries in returning players to pre-surgery form.... with his style of play it could be a serious issue......
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 23, 2012 7:17 pm

Big Mamma Jamma wrote:
KeepBynum wrote:Bynum has more than a left handed hook which is already more than what Dwight has. Howard is basically a better (much better) Blake Griffin with better defense. No low post moves, all his points come from lobs or putbacks. Howard doesn't impact the game anymore than Bynum does. I just don't see the infatuation with Howard. Probably the most overrated player in the game.


Sorry I've got to correct you ... Howard is the second most overrated player in the game behind Blake Griffin! :man10:

Get it straight next time!!!!


You're both close...... that person feeds Blake most of his dunks however.....
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Ducasse1 on Wed May 23, 2012 7:34 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Brook Lopez got double digit rebounds only 10 times in 82 games in the 2010-2011 season.

For those that want that trade to go down....


Deron is worth Bynum alone. He's a better player than Bynum and probably will always be better because he's a competitor and Bynum is not. If Lopez gets thrown in that's a dream trade.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Wed May 23, 2012 7:41 pm

KeepBynum wrote:
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KeepBynum wrote:How is it silly? Bynum is a MUCH better offensive player. Defensively Howard is better, but Bynum is no slouch in that department. Often times he's out of position because the perimeter players (Mainly Sessions and Blake) can't keep their man in front of them.


Lol just because Bynum has a cute little left handed hook shot doesn't mean he's a much better offensive player. It's an absolute joke that people still think Bynum is anywhere near Howard. Howard just impacts the game in a way Bynum could only dream.

Bynum has more than a left handed hook which is already more than what Dwight has. Howard is basically a better (much better) Blake Griffin with better defense. No low post moves, all his points come from lobs or putbacks. Howard doesn't impact the game anymore than Bynum does. I just don't see the infatuation with Howard. Probably the most overrated player in the game.


This is like someone saying "LeBron doesn't have a jump shot". Not only has Howard's post game improved a lot he still has the ability to completely wreck a team's defense by getting fouled so much and his defensive impact is just so much greater than Bynum's that it doesn't even matter how much you value Bynum's supposed offensive superiority. Just look at their regularized adjusted plus-minus numbers. Howard decimates him in every way imaginable. No argument for Bynum having more impact and if you really think so then it's a real travesty that Bynum, who would be the best big man in the game, and Kobe a top 2 SG couldn't even get past the second round.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 23, 2012 7:51 pm

Ducasse1 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Brook Lopez got double digit rebounds only 10 times in 82 games in the 2010-2011 season.

For those that want that trade to go down....


Deron is worth Bynum alone. He's a better player than Bynum and probably will always be better because he's a competitor and Bynum is not. If Lopez gets thrown in that's a dream trade.


That wasn't the point of my post. My point was that all season long people on here killed Bynum for his defense and rebounding.

Bynum in a 66 game season where he only played 60 games, got double digit boards 39 times in 60 games.

Lopez in 2010-2011 82 game season, played 82 games and only got double digit boards 10 times. He got held to 5 or less boards 40 times and he played 35 minutes a game.

Point is fans that want this to go down, better accept the fact that Lopez won't be boarding down low.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby John3:16 on Wed May 23, 2012 7:51 pm

CarolinaLakerFan wrote:LOL @ Deron Williams, or any other PG not named Fisher wanting to share a backcourt with Kobe. Sessions won't re-sign here either. What true point guard who's spent his whole career being a floor general, wants to come down and pass the ball to Kobe, then stand and wait for him to MAYBE throw you a pass with 2 seconds on the shot clock, expecting you to knock down a 3? It takes a special SUBMISSIVE guy to play in the backcourt with Mr. "I eat first". It would've been quite interesting to see how CP3 and Kobe would've worked out.

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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 23, 2012 8:12 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Ducasse1 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Brook Lopez got double digit rebounds only 10 times in 82 games in the 2010-2011 season.

For those that want that trade to go down....


Deron is worth Bynum alone. He's a better player than Bynum and probably will always be better because he's a competitor and Bynum is not. If Lopez gets thrown in that's a dream trade.


That wasn't the point of my post. My point was that all season long people on here killed Bynum for his defense and rebounding.

Bynum in a 66 game season where he only played 60 games, got double digit boards 39 times in 60 games.

Lopez in 2010-2011 82 game season, played 82 games and only got double digit boards 10 times. He got held to 5 or less boards 40 times and he played 35 minutes a game.

Point is fans that want this to go down, better accept the fact that Lopez won't be boarding down low.


If you think he doesn't rebound well..... watch him play defense.... you will long for someone as intuitive as Bynum.....

Lopez in fools gold...
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby juninho on Wed May 23, 2012 8:29 pm

not brook lopez but i would like to have morrow. dwill-morrow for bynum would be great.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby M2K on Wed May 23, 2012 8:32 pm

Perfect dream world....

Lakers keep Kobe, Bynum, Hill, Sessions

Lakers send any other combination, draft picks, etc for DWill

C - Bynum
PF - Hill
SF - MWP
SG - Kobe
PG - DWill

That would be a killer defensive, rebounding team with a great inside/out game. The key for the Lakers is Pau for DWill....the rest would then take care of itself.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Wed May 23, 2012 10:02 pm

What about

Pau to ATL
Josh Smith to NJ
Deron to LAL
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby Finwë on Wed May 23, 2012 10:16 pm

The Rock wrote:What about

Pau to ATL
Josh Smith to NJ
Deron to LAL

So NJ is giving up Deron Williams for Josh Smith? That would be such a bad trade.

IMO NJ will do anything it can to keep Deron there. They've just moved to Brooklyn, haven't even played a game in their new arena, they have to do anything they can to make sure their star and franchise guy stays with them.
They'll probably be one of the most active teams this off-season.
Maybe if they don't get anyone good enough and Deron threatens to leave they'll trade for Pau or even someone like Smith. But I don't see that happening.

BTW, the russian that owns them is worth like 13 billion, I'm sure he could find a way to persuade D-Will to stay.. :man10:

EDIT: apparently the russian didn't do all that well in 2011 and 2012, I just found out he lost like 5 billion. I edited his worth to 13.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby khmrP on Wed May 23, 2012 10:19 pm

The Rock wrote:What about

Pau to ATL
Josh Smith to NJ
Deron to LAL


you crazy, NJ would be restarded to have Smith and nothing else, the point for them to get smith is to play with Deron and maybe Dwight.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby The Rock on Wed May 23, 2012 10:20 pm

khmrP wrote:
The Rock wrote:What about

Pau to ATL
Josh Smith to NJ
Deron to LAL


you crazy, NJ would be restarded to have Smith and nothing else, the point for them to get smith is to play with Deron and maybe Dwight.


Smith is exciting. Hes primetime. He can put butts in seats in Brooklyn. If they can't sign Deron you dont think they wouldn't help Deron accomodate a trade to his team of his choice and still get significant value in return. They still have enough capspace to sign someone like Dragic or Raymond Felton as PG. Not a bad alternative if you cant get Deron to resign
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby lakersin4 on Wed May 23, 2012 10:32 pm

I want Teague & Josh Smith over Deron if we deal with ATL.. Would they give that up for Pau + Blake? Highly doubt it but that would mean rings.Maybe Pau + Sessions?

I think Rondo is the best PG we'll get for Pau. Dwill would cost us Bynum & I'd rather not pay that price.

I would love George, Hill, West for Pau, Blake, Barnes..
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby dj vitus on Wed May 23, 2012 10:52 pm

Finwë wrote:IMO NJ will do anything it can to keep Deron there. They've just moved to Brooklyn, haven't even played a game in their new arena, they have to do anything they can to make sure their star and franchise guy stays with them.
They'll probably be one of the most active teams this off-season.
Maybe if they don't get anyone good enough and Deron threatens to leave they'll trade for Pau or even someone like Smith. But I don't see that happening.

Deron and Pau could be marketable in NJ.

If they want to keep Deron, maybe we could take Gerald Wallace, Gerald Green, and Anthony Morrow instead for Pau.

Wallace and Hill can start at the Forward positions, Green can be a spark off the bench, and we can run a Sessions/Morrow backcourt when Kobe is out instead of our awful Sessions/Blake combo. Fill a bunch of holes. We can then trade Ebanks (or Metta) and a 1st for a serviceable big or something. Just a quick thought.
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Re: Deron To The Lakers?

Postby khmrP on Wed May 23, 2012 10:52 pm

The Rock wrote:
khmrP wrote:
The Rock wrote:What about

Pau to ATL
Josh Smith to NJ
Deron to LAL


you crazy, NJ would be restarded to have Smith and nothing else, the point for them to get smith is to play with Deron and maybe Dwight.


Smith is exciting. Hes primetime. He can put butts in seats in Brooklyn. If they can't sign Deron you dont think they wouldn't help Deron accomodate a trade to his team of his choice and still get significant value in return. They still have enough capspace to sign someone like Dragic or Raymond Felton as PG. Not a bad alternative if you cant get Deron to resign


think they rather suck and hope for a better draft pick, also Smith wouldn't be very motivated either to play for the nets w/o any help. If a 3rd team is involved I'd think if Minn was willing to take Pau and give NJ Derrick Williams and we give Nj some picks maybe they'd be interested.
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