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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby Thenextgreat on Wed May 30, 2012 9:36 am

with what money is this suppose to happen?
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby gcclaker on Wed May 30, 2012 9:39 am

The Laker front office will gauge what their chances are or whether there isn't even interest on his part. Will it happen? I doubt it. Garnett's affinity with Rivers, Pierce and Rondo should be enough to make him stay put. That is, unless Ainge makes it sour for him to even consider. That is unlikely given his close working relationship with Rivers.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 30, 2012 9:41 am

khmrP wrote:
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khmrP wrote:IF mgmt is able to get KG and/or Odom, would anyone be against sending Bynum for Deron/fillers if NJ was interested? I say we could live with a KG/Pau or Odom/Pau combo again. IF we do not upgrade the PG spot with either Bynum or Pau it would be mute to get KG.


I don't think the front office is giving up on Bynum yet. Eric Pincus made a couple references to it yesterday in his "chat". It's Pau that will be traded unless there are no takers that will give us a decent sized TPE....


not giving up, its not like we would be dumping him for scraps like Pau, lets be honest how many team out there can afford to trade for 32yr old making 19mill/yr for the next 2 years? We'd be getting pennies on the dollar, worse than the return on Shaq.


That's just the point....... ownership needs "pennies on the dollar" trades to get in a reasonable position when the tax goes into full effect. Blame the new CBA..... the smaller markets are getting what they wanted.... money from the larger markets and their talent. Our best hope is that we can turn it into "hole filling" players that can diversify the team around Kobe and Bynum....

I also know you have a very low opinion of Bynum but he's the best choice to keep in his current situation. Pau's shown he's not going to return to his prior form and Andrew, while having some maturity issues... is on the rise. I think they will wait it out one more season with him to see if he can bring it every night.... if not he will be a pretty big trade chip next offseason.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby khmrP on Wed May 30, 2012 9:49 am

Rooscooter wrote:That's just the point....... ownership needs "pennies on the dollar" trades to get in a reasonable position when the tax goes into full effect. Blame the new CBA..... the smaller markets are getting what they wanted.... money from the larger markets and their talent. Our best hope is that we can turn it into "hole filling" players that can diversify the team around Kobe and Bynum....

I also know you have a very low opinion of Bynum but he's the best choice to keep in his current situation. Pau's shown he's not going to return to his prior form and Andrew, while having some maturity issues... is on the rise. I think they will wait it out one more season with him to see if he can bring it every night.... if not he will be a pretty big trade chip next offseason.


doesn't matter bout that cba, Pau contract will expire by the time the repeater tax is imposed....so trading Pau for scraps and keeping Bynum doesn't get any us anywhere and when Kobe is done with Bynum still here I dont see much of a future. He is doing what he is now with the attention being diverted from him with Kobe/Pau around. We both know Kobe wont get traded and if expected Pau for scraps, migth as well call it a day for the next 3yrs for sure at least until Kobe's contract is done.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed May 30, 2012 9:58 am

it's come to this *sigh*
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 30, 2012 10:06 am

khmrP wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:That's just the point....... ownership needs "pennies on the dollar" trades to get in a reasonable position when the tax goes into full effect. Blame the new CBA..... the smaller markets are getting what they wanted.... money from the larger markets and their talent. Our best hope is that we can turn it into "hole filling" players that can diversify the team around Kobe and Bynum....

I also know you have a very low opinion of Bynum but he's the best choice to keep in his current situation. Pau's shown he's not going to return to his prior form and Andrew, while having some maturity issues... is on the rise. I think they will wait it out one more season with him to see if he can bring it every night.... if not he will be a pretty big trade chip next offseason.


doesn't matter bout that cba, Pau contract will expire by the time the repeater tax is imposed....so trading Pau for scraps and keeping Bynum doesn't get any us anywhere and when Kobe is done with Bynum still here I dont see much of a future. He is doing what he is now with the attention being diverted from him with Kobe/Pau around. We both know Kobe wont get traded and if expected Pau for scraps, migth as well call it a day for the next 3yrs for sure at least until Kobe's contract is done.


Letting Pau expire for nothing isn't going to help us either.... getting something is better than nothing. Trading Bynum means that you need a post player in return.... cuz Pau isn't doing that any longer.... he's made that much clear these last two years. So you trade Bynum for another post player.... how many of those are better than him in the league that are available?.... You may get a decent post player and another marginal player at best.... Trading Pau has the potential to fill a couple holes while not weakening us significantly..... he only scored 12.5 and 13.1 ppg in the playoffs the last two years after all. Bynum brought 14.4 and 16.7 in the last two years in the post season.... I still say you keep Bynum and trade the 32 year old that's making the 5th highest check in the league.....
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby khmrP on Wed May 30, 2012 10:12 am

Rooscooter wrote:Letting Pau expire for nothing isn't going to help us either.... getting something is better than nothing. Trading Bynum means that you need a post player in return.... cuz Pau isn't doing that any longer.... he's made that much clear these last two years. So you trade Bynum for another post player.... how many of those are better than him in the league that are available?.... You may get a decent post player and another marginal player at best.... Trading Pau has the potential to fill a couple holes while not weakening us significantly..... he only scored 12.5 and 13.1 ppg in the playoffs the last two years after all. Bynum brought 14.4 and 16.7 in the last two years in the post season.... I still say you keep Bynum and trade the 32 year old that's making the 5th highest check in the league.....


I didn't say let him expire, I said keep him and use Bynum to get Deron (if applicable), which of 4 team in the playoff now has a post pressence? Duncan barely plays there anymore and he's the closest thing to a post pressence, most of his game is now bank shot jumpers and PnR play, the same play that keeps wrecking havoc on this team even from the Phil days. You and most here are to opptomistic bout the return for Pau, whatever we get are what teams are trying to rid themselves of, more likely just minor band aide players, which we'll still not be with the elites especially with Potato Head at the helm. IF KG is here maybe he can stop Pau vagina from bleeding and he'll be back in the post again, maybe not as effective as 08-10 era. I want to trade them both if I had my way but I know Pau is gona get us nothing of note worthy, either a salary dump or just pieces that will get us by but not over the top.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby lakersStan24 on Wed May 30, 2012 11:01 am

He's an unrestricted Free Agent this Summer so where else is He gonna Go? Lakers Are a Team that Both Needs and would Happily Take Him.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby raviator on Wed May 30, 2012 2:34 pm

Frank Dux wrote::man10: People here don't want KG? Sorry, but i'm sick of watching Pau's soft ***. KG is still elite from midrange, and still might be the best defender in the league. Pau and Bynum get punked on the pick and roll all day every day, and it would be a breathe of fresh air to see someone like KG come in here and show us how it's done.

Sign me up. I don't care how douchey he is.


Interesting how people don't want KG's douchery on this team. But how do you think non-laker fans view MWP, Bynum, and maybe even Kobe? KG would fit in here just fine. Also 1 plus I see with adding KG, he wouldn't tolerate Bynum's poutiness. (remember Big Baby?) His energy and passion is exactly what this team needs in addition to Kobe's competitiveness, even if he is past his prime. We need someone besides Kobe to instill some fire and fight in the other players night in and night out.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby lakersStan24 on Wed May 30, 2012 3:38 pm

raviator wrote:Interesting how people don't want KG's douchery on this team. But how do you think non-laker fans view MWP, Bynum, and maybe even Kobe? KG would fit in here just fine. Also 1 plus I see with adding KG, he wouldn't tolerate Bynum's poutiness. (remember Big Baby?) His energy and passion is exactly what this team needs in addition to Kobe's competitiveness, even if he is past his prime. We need someone besides Kobe to instill some fire and fight in the other players night in and night out.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby odom1year on Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:40 am

KG was doing push up while playing against Lebron and Wade. He is the MAN. No Lakers will act and play at his high emotion level. It's sad that we have Gasoft instead who is always shouting when taking shots. :man2:
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby lakersin4 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:01 am

lakersStan24 wrote:He's an unrestricted Free Agent this Summer so where else is He gonna Go? Lakers Are a Team that Both Needs and would Happily Take Him.

I would think his most appealing option outside of us would be rejoining the T'Pups.. Some guys like to finish up where they started or in their hometown.. Maybe his hometown Bobcats hahaha.. Part of me would like to see him join a young team with a star like Rubio/Love or Irving in Cleveland & teach them how to play with that intensity.. KG will be a great asset to any team.. KG for the mini MLE or tpe + pick would be a dream.. Replace Pau with a better fit on the cheap, then let Pau go for young players, picks, & cap space.. I'd love to deal Pau for a 2way SF like Granger, Iggy, Gay - but with our goal of getting under the tax set in stone, we're going to have to settle for a couple Beasley level guys & picks.. Stealing someone like KG for cheap or having LO wait until December to sign with us is about the only way we have a chance at a ring in the next 2 years imo
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby arizsha on Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:16 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:C'mon, man.

He old. Cooked.


I would rather watch some old men play with heart and passion than watch the lakers play like dead fish in the playoffs.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby arizsha on Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:18 pm

LakerFan1235 wrote:Do not want KG. He has like one year left in him. and he is a d-bag, as a fan I would not support him


lakers is not the most gentleman team anyway. :wave:
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:56 pm

I don't see why KG wouldn't re-sign with the Celtics for cheap.

With that said, if KG is willing to sign with us we would be in great shape. Garnett next to Bynum would be ideal - he's still a money midrange shooter and he wouldn't let Bynum take a play off. Defensively we would be very, very good.

It also allows us to dump Pau for salary and a role player or two. You could take a deal like Kevin Martin/Dragic and be okay with it. You get an expirings, scorers, enhanced guard play, etc.

See if you can get Lamar to come back as well and we would be in fantastic shape.

Again, don't see it happening, but I would welcome it with open arms. Kobe/MWP/KG/Bynum would be a MONSTER defensively.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:19 pm

Kobe Bryant 8 wrote:I don't see why KG wouldn't re-sign with the Celtics for cheap.

With that said, if KG is willing to sign with us we would be in great shape. Garnett next to Bynum would be ideal - he's still a money midrange shooter and he wouldn't let Bynum take a play off. Defensively we would be very, very good.

It also allows us to dump Pau for salary and a role player or two. You could take a deal like Kevin Martin/Dragic and be okay with it. You get an expirings, scorers, enhanced guard play, etc.

See if you can get Lamar to come back as well and we would be in fantastic shape.

Again, don't see it happening, but I would welcome it with open arms. Kobe/MWP/KG/Bynum would be a MONSTER defensively.


Agreed. I mean Boston has obviously proven they can still be effective. I think they're going to run this team lead by Pierce until Pierce is ready to retire. With Rondo playing the way he is, I think it's possible they still splash in the off-season every year. I don't think they're going to be playing for rings though without major changes.

It's going to come down to who looks like they're in a better place to win I think. If the Lakers make a move to spread Gasol's contract into the bench and Garnett sees an opportunity to start for a contender, I hope he takes it.

If the Lakers look like:
Dragic/Blake
Bryant/Martin/Goudelock
Artest/Ebanks/Eyenga
_____/McRoberts
Bynum/Hill

I could see Garnett at least taking a serious look. I'd like to include Blake in any Gasol trade and re-sign Sessions. I think Sessions off the bench instead of him would be absolutely fantastic. If the Lakers couldn't convince Garnett this is enough they could revisit Beasley, talk to Antawn Jamison, Ronny Turiaf, and Jared Jefferies.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:00 am

We can't get Dragic + Martin or Dragic + anyone for that matter. You can't combine players in a sign & trade.. If we're getting a PG from Houston, it's Lowry
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby thkthebest on Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:55 am

Couldn't we do multiple trades? Assuming Dragic makes around 5 million (random number), we can do a Blake for Dragic trade and a Gasol for Martin/Scola.

We'd really need to get Garnett to get better though. The Rockets trade by itself would make us worse imo...at least in the regular season. Lol.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby Stearnfxr on Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:41 am

Kobe Bryant 8 wrote:I don't see why KG wouldn't re-sign with the Celtics for cheap.


It would probably depend on who else would be willing to stay and sign for cheap. Why would he resign if Pierce and Ray were gone?

With that said, if KG is willing to sign with us we would be in great shape. Garnett next to Bynum would be ideal - he's still a money midrange shooter


Garnet would be perfect. I'm not sure how the FA signings work but could he just dictate where he'd play and turn down bigger offers than we can make? Would he turn down more $$$ to play with Kobe? Or would we have to facilitate a sign and trade for a much lower salary?
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:54 am

lakersin4 wrote:We can't get Dragic + Martin or Dragic + anyone for that matter. You can't combine players in a sign & trade.. If we're getting a PG from Houston, it's Lowry

If that's true why are people including Beasley in Minny trades? :man3:
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby number8 on Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:06 pm

I'd hoped if the Celtics went down quietly they might look to rebuild. That's why I was rooting for a Heat sweep. Doesn't look like it's going to happen now. I fully expect them to re-sign KG now. Allen, I think is gone, but he's no longer one of the Big 3 there anymore.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby PiNOYLaKERSFaN on Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:47 pm

number8 wrote:I'd hoped if the Celtics went down quietly they might look to rebuild. That's why I was rooting for a Heat sweep. Doesn't look like it's going to happen now. I fully expect them to re-sign KG now. Allen, I think is gone, but he's no longer one of the Big 3 there anymore.


Also depends on what the Celtics will do. If they flame out this series, I don't see a reason why Celtic management wouldn't opt to blow it up and trade pieces away to rebuild. We're in the same boat as them, why play if they're not playing for championships?

Paul Pierce, KG and Ray Allen are not getting better and Rondo would pretty much be running with a squad that consists of Brandon Bass, Pietrus and Marquis Daniels?

If they could entice a free agent to go there, it would be great but they need to be able to sign KG first for that to happen.

They're not contending next year (or this year for that matter) Why not start rebuilding early? They might just decide to sign young pieces to surround Rondo.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:18 pm

therealdeal wrote:
lakersin4 wrote:We can't get Dragic + Martin or Dragic + anyone for that matter. You can't combine players in a sign & trade.. If we're getting a PG from Houston, it's Lowry

If that's true why are people including Beasley in Minny trades? :man3:

Good point. If either of them can still accept their QO's that's the only way it could happen. Unless we circumvent the CBA with separate trades.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby Phil XI on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:35 pm

lakersin4 wrote:We can't get Dragic + Martin or Dragic + anyone for that matter. You can't combine players in a sign & trade.. If we're getting a PG from Houston, it's Lowry


Why is this continuing to be repeated? It is just completely untrue. There is no rule in the new CBA or old one for that matter, regarding player combinations and trades. You must be confused with the TPE.

But there is something starting in 2013-14 about teams being above the "apron" not being able to receive SnT players or if they have used certain exceptions. This is where LA will probably get effed in trying to reload.
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Re: Get Kevin Garnett Part II?

Postby XXIV on Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:59 pm

Phil XI wrote:
lakersin4 wrote:We can't get Dragic + Martin or Dragic + anyone for that matter. You can't combine players in a sign & trade.. If we're getting a PG from Houston, it's Lowry


Why is this continuing to be repeated? It is just completely untrue. There is no rule in the new CBA or old one for that matter, regarding player combinations and trades. You must be confused with the TPE.

But there is something starting in 2013-14 about teams being above the "apron" not being able to receive SnT players or if they have used certain exceptions. This is where LA will probably get effed in trying to reload.


Phil, you're correct on the sign & trade. But what's this about some new exceptions to the sign and trade of players in 2013-2014? It's the first time I've heard of it.
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