Kobe the Closer

Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby Finwë on Wed May 02, 2012 10:00 am

worldjunction wrote:Kobe didn't close very well tonight... BUT he played absolutely fantastic for the game.

PS. Finwe... pre-emptive strike there? BTW, I created this thread. I define closing not as just end of games. You can close out an opponent in the first quarter if you do the right things. If it will make you feel better, I can change the name of the thread?

What? Seriously? Do you not see the huge contradiction?


There is no need to redefine "closing"; the word already has a meaning, one that all of us (well, most of us) understand.

I'm just saying that if you want to talk about Kobe's general game, there already is a thread for it, called "Kobe Bryant Discussion". This thread was supposed to be about "Kobe the Closer", which, to the rest of us, means "the thread about the way Kobe closes games, his performances during crunch time, big shots down the stretch, etcetera".
To change the whole concept and just make it about Kobe's overall performance is unnecesary, 'cause we already have a thread (where you can post/"vent" any time you like) about that.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby therealdeal on Wed May 02, 2012 11:26 am

worldjunction wrote:Kobe didn't close very well tonight... BUT he played absolutely fantastic for the game.

PS. Finwe... pre-emptive strike there? BTW, I created this thread. I define closing not as just end of games. You can close out an opponent in the first quarter if you do the right things. If it will make you feel better, I can change the name of the thread?


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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed May 02, 2012 11:37 am

and the circle logic continues :man10:
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby phoenixrisingla on Wed May 02, 2012 11:39 am

Kobe tossed up some pretyt contested 3's in the 4th.

But I thought that assist under the hoop to Bynum was a nice "close". Good to see that in a huge moment (I think it was a 4pt game with like 1:30 left at that point) kobe is still thinking about passing. :bow:
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 02, 2012 11:39 am

Kobe dominated the 1st quarter last night. He closed the Nuggets out.

They had no chance the rest of the game. :jam2:
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby JUST-MING on Wed May 02, 2012 3:53 pm

phoenixrisingla wrote:I think it was a 4pt game with like 1:30 left at that point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwWutJHW144#t=5m

Klosed. 91-95. Picked Faried. Ripped from McGee. Alluded Miller. Broke-off Lawson. Left Gallinari in the Popcorn Machine. Beat their whole team on the play. Could have finished it himself. Uncontested layup.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby phoenixrisingla on Wed May 02, 2012 4:16 pm

JUST-MING wrote:
phoenixrisingla wrote:I think it was a 4pt game with like 1:30 left at that point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwWutJHW144#t=5m

Klosed. 91-95. Picked Faried. Ripped from McGee. Alluded Miller. Broke-off Lawson. Left Gallinari in the Popcorn Machine. Beat their whole team on the play. Could have finished it himself. Uncontested layup.


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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby worldjunction on Fri May 04, 2012 10:31 pm

Kobe didn't even try to close tonight. He just passed it inside or settled for 3. Sometimes I hate it when he hits 3s early. He then settles for 3s the rest of the game.

On a related note, once again the Lakers terrible 3pt shooting will mean their demise this year (though I am praying otherwise).
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri May 04, 2012 10:38 pm

Knew this thread would be bumped for some reason......
For what it's worth, the Lakers also clinched the Pacific Division, an achievement Bryant dismissed by saying "We don't hang divisions." No, only the big NBA championship banners are considered wall-worthy for the Lakers.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby Weezy on Fri May 04, 2012 10:40 pm

How do you 'close' when your team is down double digits? Isn't closing when you're like in the game, as in up or in a close one and you finish it off? Whatever, another pointless thread bump.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Fri May 04, 2012 10:41 pm

Weezy wrote:How do you 'close' when your team is down double digits? Isn't closing when you're like in the game, as in up or in a close one and you finish it off? Whatever, another pointless thread bump.


It was within single digits up until the final minute and a half or so. Kobe couldn't buy a bucket in the 2nd half and settled for too many threes.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby Weezy on Fri May 04, 2012 10:44 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
Weezy wrote:How do you 'close' when your team is down double digits? Isn't closing when you're like in the game, as in up or in a close one and you finish it off? Whatever, another pointless thread bump.


It was within single digits up until the final minute and a half or so. Kobe couldn't buy a bucket in the 2nd half and settled for too many threes.


I don't disagree with that, but nobody on our team closed, nobody could score, I see no need to call Kobe out for 'not closing'. Not like he can drive to the hoop like he used to either, and when he does, it's not even 50/50 he'll get a foul call.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby worldjunction on Fri May 04, 2012 10:59 pm

Weezy... nice excuse for Kobe. Typical.

We were within 5 or 6 a couple times. Closing isn't the last couple minutes of a game. Such a narrow, short sighted view of what it means to close.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby Weezy on Fri May 04, 2012 11:23 pm

How is that an excuse, I asked a question. What's typical is you bumping this thread after a loss.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby Finwë on Sat May 05, 2012 12:45 pm

worldjunction wrote:Weezy... nice excuse for Kobe. Typical.

We were within 5 or 6 a couple times. Closing isn't the last couple minutes of a game. Such a narrow, short sighted view of what it means to close.

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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby worldjunction on Sat May 05, 2012 9:46 pm

Finwe...Like your son Feanor killed your brother's people the Teleri?

PS. I bump after some wins too.
PPS. Even Kobe agreed with me, paraphrasing "I shot too many 3s".
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby Finwë on Sat May 05, 2012 10:35 pm

worldjunction wrote:Finwe...Like your son Feanor killed your brother's people the Teleri?

PS. I bump after some wins too.
PPS. Even Kobe agreed with me, paraphrasing "I shot too many 3s".

OMG, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT "CLOSING", LIKE, MAKING SHOTS DOWN THE STRETCH TO ACTUALLY "CLOSE" A GAME, NOT ABOUT TAKING 3s IN THE 3RD QUARTER OR SOMETHING.

And no, you cannot "close" in the 3rd quarter. This is the NBA. Hell, this is basketball.

If you feel like talking about Kobe's overall game you can, as we all do, make the comments in the proper thread, either during the game in the gameday thread or after the game in the "kobe bryant discussion thread". If you want to "vent", get a twitter account or something.

And yes, I realize this is actually my fault for clicking on the thread title and opening it.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby Congo Cash on Sun May 06, 2012 3:57 am

WTF...

You cannot "close" in the 1st or 3rd quarter, it doesn't exist... Someone is hella stoned... :man10: :man10: :man10:
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun May 06, 2012 6:49 am

Weezy wrote:
I don't disagree with that, but nobody on our team closed, nobody could score, I see no need to call Kobe out for 'not closing'. Not like he can drive to the hoop like he used to either, and when he does, it's not even 50/50 he'll get a foul call.

you know that isnt right. We have to have Kobe shooting 88% from the field while getting all his teammates great looks and getting half the rebounds. Hell, there are stats on how the Lakers play when Kobe misses 3 shots to start a game. The OP is just pointing out that Kobe is stupid the way he plays all the time and he could be better if he just played the right way, close every game the right way (no closing isn't only end of game situations but pregame, 1st quarter, the middle minutes of the 2nd qtr, halftime when the cheerleaders aren't on the floor, and all of the 4th qtr) and show the guys a leader. Thats all that is being asked. Why can't you understand that?
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby Rooscooter on Sun May 06, 2012 10:12 am

Altitude, long stretches w/o rest and lack of cohesiveness on the defensive end doomed us in that game....

You can't close without "stops" and we were horrible on perimeter defense again.... this time because the team on the floor in the mid to late 4th quarter had been on the floor for all but a couple minutes in the second half.... Kobe and Bynum were tired.... Andrew powered a few shots in but Kobe was short on all of his shots and didn't have anything left to get to the hoop....

We also played dumb in some respects as well.... we put 3 fouls on Denver in the first minute of the 4th and then it took over 7 minutes to get their 4th because we didn't attack at all and settled for soft play..... We need a smart "floor general" type of point guard out there.... Sessions has a lot of raw ability but he's not a mentally strong player at this point in his career.... we need someone like Miller.... he went at our weaknesses all night and was effective doing so....
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby worldjunction on Tue May 08, 2012 10:23 pm

Great job by Kobe. Bad d by team
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby GNC on Tue May 08, 2012 10:27 pm

That was vintage at the end there. Shame we couldn't muster a win out of that stunning effort.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby TIME on Tue May 08, 2012 10:28 pm

worldjunction wrote:Great job by Kobe. Bad d by team


Really? That's all you've got to say?
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby Tragic on Tue May 08, 2012 10:35 pm

GNC wrote:That was vintage at the end there. Shame we couldn't muster a win out of that stunning effort.
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Re: Kobe the Closer

Postby trodgers on Wed May 09, 2012 7:21 am

Kobe single-handedly kept closing the gap. I was blown away by the strength of his will.

6:08 in the third, Lakers down 9.
Kobe hits two FTs.
Kobe hits a layup.
Kobe htis a jumper.
Kobe hits a three.
With 3:03 left, Lakers down 3.
Lakers +6 in that 3:05.
Kobe takes no shots, has no TO the last 3:03.
Lakers end the quarter down 11.
Lakers -8 in that 3:03.

5:10 left in the fourth, Lakers down 13.
Kobe hits a 3.
Kobe hits a 3. (Lakers within 4 with 2:33 left).
Lakers +10 in that 2:37.
Kobe hits a 3. (Lakers within 3 with 1:25 left).
Lakers +1 in that 1:08.
Kobe hits a 3. (Lakers within 2 with 0:59 left).
Lakers +1 in that 0:26.

Bynum and Gasol have GOT to play tougher. That's our big three? Help Kobe. He did his job. What I don't understand is how you don't feed off that intensity.
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